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Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:22 am
by godelian
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 2:09 am UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims..(the media are using the term "grooming")
... an issue that Tommy Robinson (*who has relatives that were victims of these disgusting 'humans') has spent time in prison for breaching media suppression gags protecting these vile creatures ...
== Tommy Robinson in prison ==

For a starters, Tommy Robinson is in prison because he accused a Syrian refugee schoolboy -- not a Pakistani -- of all kinds of mischief, while the investigation on the matter and the court case that followed, concluded that Tommy Robinson's publications on the matter were entirely unsubstantiated and in fact total nonsense, and that Tommy Robinson was guilty of libel, slander, and defamation of which the Syrian refugee schoolboy was the victim. In spite of the court order that told Tommy Robinson to stop spreading lies about the Syrian refugee schoolboy, Tommy Robinson refused to comply and was found in contempt of court, for which he was put in prison for 18 months.

This case has nothing to do with Pakistani grooming gangs!

== Tommy Robinson's underage cousin ==

The underage girl was indeed exchanging sex for drugs with a drugs gang.
Tommy Robinson on his origin story: "My cousin was 13 or 14 when they got her hooked on heroin"

Tommy Robinson:

The police just said "She is a drug addict", and she was a drug addict. She is a child. She ended up climbing out of the window to get back to the "Muslims", for her heroin, for her to get continually raped over and over again as a child ... It was common. The police didn't do anything about it."
So, in all practical terms, what did Tommy Robinson expect?

Did he expect the British police to put the 14-year old girl under 24/7 surveillance to prevent her from climbing out of the window? Wasn't that rather the job of her parents? In fact, child protective services sometimes do that, but this is not a particularly popular measure. Taking these young girls into protective custody is controversial, to say the least, if only because in all practical terms there is no difference with outright imprisonment. This ends up in the age-old discussion about the merits -- or lack thereof -- of jailing drug addicts into rehab facilities. It can be done but it is absolutely not sure if it should be done, especially in the case of underage drug addicts.

Tommy Robinson also does not mention how the girl's parents reacted to any proposal by Luton city's social services to send their daughter into coercive drug rehab. He is telling just that part of the story that suits his narrative. Her parents did not successfully lock her up (she climbed out of the window), while offers by social services were undoubtedly rejected. Concerning the police -- incessantly blamed by Tommy Robinson for alleged inaction -- they could only refer the case to child protective services. They are simply not in a position to do anything else.

Nobody denies the need to prevent young women from exchanging sex for drugs with drug gangs or to prostitute themselves to fund their drug habit.

Accusing everybody else of "not doing anything", is however, sheer nonsense.

The police already try to hunt down the drug gangs. The "war on drugs" has been going on for decades now. Every police force in the world seems to be failing in that regard, not just the British one. For obvious reasons, incarcerating 14-year old drug addicted girls, is not particularly considered a solution either. Tommy Robinson also blames the Pakistani community of Luton for the problem, but what were they supposed to do besides to keep preaching that Islam strictly forbids the recreational use of drugs?

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:37 am
by accelafine
I MIGHT take that seriously if not for the fact that the UK govt. is going out of its way to keep convicted PAEDOPHILES out of prison (you know, those men who rape actual children).

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 6:13 am
by godelian
accelafine wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:37 am I MIGHT take that seriously if not for the fact that the UK govt. is going out of its way to keep convicted PAEDOPHILES out of prison (you know, those men who rape actual children).
So, there is indeed a phenomenon that consists of a sizeable demographic of 13- and 14-year old drug addicted girls with heroin withdrawal symptoms, some of them undoubtedly already sexually attractive in spite of their young age, frantically soliciting potential customers to exchange sexual access with, in exchange for funds to buy heroin or other addictive substances.

Nobody denies that such customers are indeed guilty of statutory rape.

If the UK govt. fails to eradicate the problem of drug abuse -- let's face the truth; governments are simply losing global war on drugs -- then they cannot eradicate the ancillary problem of underage drug addicted prostitutes either.

So, blaming the UK govt. for inaction is quite misplaced. The war on drugs is very real, also in the UK. There is lots of funding available to fight the drugs gangs. There is lots of funding available to educate the youth on the dangers of recreational drugs. Every government on the globe does what they can, but it turns out to be absolutely not enough. The problem just keeps growing.

The blame game is pointless. It simply won't solve the problem.

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:25 am
by godelian
The "blame game"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3602000151

Children and adolescents who sell sex: a community study

Adolescents who reported to have given sexual favors for payment were investigated. The sample consisted of all adolescents in the public and private school systems in Oslo, the capital in Norway (age group 14–17, response rate 94.3%, N=10,828). Adolescents who had sold sex form 1.4%, three times as many boys as girls. Half the group had done it more than 10 times. Most were under the legal age of sex in Norway (16 years) when this first happened.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/tee ... ostitution

Teen tells story of survival after addiction, underage prostitution

Sarah Campbell* was 14 when she first tried meth. Within a year her life was spiralling out of control, she had dropped out of school, was addicted to drugs and selling her body to pay for them.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/defendan ... lated-drug

Defendant Who Exploited Opioid Addictions of Young Women Convicted of Crimes Related to Drug Trafficking and Prostitution

After a three-day trial, a federal jury in Concord, New Hampshire, found Steven Tucker, 33, of Manchester, New Hampshire, guilty on March 22 of one count of sex trafficking of a minor and of using interstate facilities to promote a prostitution business enterprise and maintaining a drug-involved premise.

On other occasions, the defendant withheld heroin from the women, causing them to suffer painful withdrawal symptoms, and then instructed them to prostitute to earn money to purchase heroin from him.

https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-o ... 1-163.html

A Review Of Literature On Child Prostitution

Five percent of sex workers in both groups had begun at 15 years old or younger, and the same study showed that sex workers generally had been initiated into sex at a much earlier age than other girls and women (Perkins et al. 1994).

Jeannette was only 11 when she started with “sugar daddies” and within two or three years she was working on the streets. Six of the ten street workers in the study were working on the streets before they were 15, three others started at 16 or 17 ….

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drugs_and_prostitution

Drugs and prostitution have been documented to have a direct correlation.

Prostitutes who reported a problem with drug use had begun the use of hard drugs at an earlier age (16.2 years old). Because of these early experiences with drugs, these people often begin sex work early in their lives.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-derbyshire-19701223

Mother: 'My 14-year-old told me she was a prostitute'

The daughter sat her down and explained that an older man had been giving her cash and drugs in return for sex.

She said: "My daughter has a history of self-harming, drug and alcohol abuse. I'm so proud of her, the way she's overcome both of her addictions. She no longer self-harms but she still has a lot of mental health problems and post-traumatic stress disorder."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 85209.html

Child runaways 'forced into prostitution, drugs and crime'

Children as young as nine who run away from home are being forced into prostitution, drugs and crime, a report claims. The Children's Society says that rather than sleep rough, many youngsters are "befriended" by adults who then sexually abuse them or lure them into drug addiction.

Disturbing cases uncovered in the study include a 13-year-old girl runaway who was abducted by a drug dealer and held prisoner in a flat for four months. It also reports on a 15-year-old girl forced into prostitution by an older boyfriend to fund his heroin addiction and a 14-year-old boy offered a place to stay by a "friendly" couple who locked him in a cupboard.

Sophia is now 20 and off drugs. She left home at 12 to escape sexual abuse from her stepfather, only to end up on the streets selling sex to feed a crack habit.
These are descriptions of exactly the same problem as Tommy Robinson's cousin. However, none of the groomers or customers above happen to be Pakistani.

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:28 am
by Gary Childress
godelian wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 6:13 am
accelafine wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:37 am I MIGHT take that seriously if not for the fact that the UK govt. is going out of its way to keep convicted PAEDOPHILES out of prison (you know, those men who rape actual children).
So, there is indeed a phenomenon that consists of a sizeable demographic of 13- and 14-year old drug addicted girls with heroin withdrawal symptoms, some of them undoubtedly already sexually attractive in spite of their young age, frantically soliciting potential customers to exchange sexual access with, in exchange for funds to buy heroin or other addictive substances.

Nobody denies that such customers are indeed guilty of statutory rape.

If the UK govt. fails to eradicate the problem of drug abuse -- let's face the truth; governments are simply losing global war on drugs -- then they cannot eradicate the ancillary problem of underage drug addicted prostitutes either.

So, blaming the UK govt. for inaction is quite misplaced. The war on drugs is very real, also in the UK. There is lots of funding available to fight the drugs gangs. There is lots of funding available to educate the youth on the dangers of recreational drugs. Every government on the globe does what they can, but it turns out to be absolutely not enough. The problem just keeps growing.

The blame game is pointless. It simply won't solve the problem.
This seems like a pretty fair and rational summary of the current situation.

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:35 am
by accelafine
godelian wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 6:13 am
accelafine wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:37 am I MIGHT take that seriously if not for the fact that the UK govt. is going out of its way to keep convicted PAEDOPHILES out of prison (you know, those men who rape actual children).
So, there is indeed a phenomenon that consists of a sizeable demographic of 13- and 14-year old drug addicted girls with heroin withdrawal symptoms, some of them undoubtedly already sexually attractive in spite of their young age, frantically soliciting potential customers to exchange sexual access with, in exchange for funds to buy heroin or other addictive substances.

Nobody denies that such customers are indeed guilty of statutory rape.

If the UK govt. fails to eradicate the problem of drug abuse -- let's face the truth; governments are simply losing global war on drugs -- then they cannot eradicate the ancillary problem of underage drug addicted prostitutes either.

So, blaming the UK govt. for inaction is quite misplaced. The war on drugs is very real, also in the UK. There is lots of funding available to fight the drugs gangs. There is lots of funding available to educate the youth on the dangers of recreational drugs. Every government on the globe does what they can, but it turns out to be absolutely not enough. The problem just keeps growing.

The blame game is pointless. It simply won't solve the problem.
What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:48 am
by attofishpi
godelian wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 5:22 am
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 2:09 am UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims..(the media are using the term "grooming")
... an issue that Tommy Robinson (*who has relatives that were victims of these disgusting 'humans') has spent time in prison for breaching media suppression gags protecting these vile creatures ...
== Tommy Robinson in prison ==

For a starters, Tommy Robinson is in prison because...
Note the past tense HAS

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:49 am
by godelian
accelafine wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:35 am What the fuck does that have to do with anything?
Child prostitution, often related to drug abuse, explains quite a few cases of underage sex, i.e. statutory rape. That is clearly also what it is about in the case of Tommy Robinson's cousin. As a 13-year old, she had sex with her adult customers to fund her drug habit.

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:51 am
by attofishpi
godelian wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:25 am
The "blame game"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3602000151

Children and adolescents who sell sex: a community study

Adolescents who reported to have given sexual favors for payment were investigated. The sample consisted of all adolescents in the public and private school systems in Oslo, the capital in Norway (age group 14–17, response rate 94.3%, N=10,828). Adolescents who had sold sex form 1.4%, three times as many boys as girls. Half the group had done it more than 10 times. Most were under the legal age of sex in Norway (16 years) when this first happened.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/tee ... ostitution
For you a MUSLIM, clearly attempting to blame everyone except the MUSLIMS that got little girls hooked on heroin and sometimes, instead of paying them just rape them anyway....I'm not going to break down each point you are making in defence of predominantly MUSLIM rape gangs (*and drug traffickers)

GOT IT?

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:56 am
by accelafine
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:51 am
godelian wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:25 am
The "blame game"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3602000151

Children and adolescents who sell sex: a community study

Adolescents who reported to have given sexual favors for payment were investigated. The sample consisted of all adolescents in the public and private school systems in Oslo, the capital in Norway (age group 14–17, response rate 94.3%, N=10,828). Adolescents who had sold sex form 1.4%, three times as many boys as girls. Half the group had done it more than 10 times. Most were under the legal age of sex in Norway (16 years) when this first happened.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/tee ... ostitution
For you a MUSLIM, clearly attempting to blame everyone except the MUSLIMS that got little girls hooked on heroin and sometimes, instead of paying them just rape them anyway....I'm not going to break down each point you are making in defence of predominantly MUSLIM rape gangs (*and drug traffickers)

GOT IT?
He's a disgusting pig.

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:57 am
by attofishpi
accelafine wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:56 am He's a disgusting pig.
There is no DOUBT. :evil:

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:57 am
by godelian
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:51 am
godelian wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:25 am
The "blame game"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 3602000151

Children and adolescents who sell sex: a community study

Adolescents who reported to have given sexual favors for payment were investigated. The sample consisted of all adolescents in the public and private school systems in Oslo, the capital in Norway (age group 14–17, response rate 94.3%, N=10,828). Adolescents who had sold sex form 1.4%, three times as many boys as girls. Half the group had done it more than 10 times. Most were under the legal age of sex in Norway (16 years) when this first happened.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/tee ... ostitution
For you a MUSLIM, clearly attempting to blame everyone except the MUSLIMS that got little girls hooked on heroin and sometimes, instead of paying them just rape them anyway....I'm not going to break down each point you are making in defence of predominantly MUSLIM rape gangs (*and drug traffickers)

GOT IT?
I have never approved of statutory rape.
I have never approved of feeding drugs to underage teenage girls.
Where does Islam say in its documentation that either would be okay?

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:00 am
by attofishpi
godelian wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:57 am I have never approved of statutory rape.
What about other forms of rape?
godelian wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:57 amI have never approved of feeding drugs to underage teenage girls.
Sure. But sooo many Muslims do.

godelian wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:57 amWhere does Islam say in its documentation that either would be okay?
Do you want to discuss how paedophilia is part of Islame?

(I've got better things to do right now, but sure, I will bring that to the debate soooooon..ish)

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:09 am
by Age
accelafine wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 2:42 am
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 2:35 am Very salient points.

Most Pakistanis however are legally permitted in via family (cousin marriage) etc..grounds.

In fact, MOST "asylum" seekers from cultures where rape of women and children isn't considered so abhorrent, arrive via aeroplane on travel visas. Then they are given free accommodation and money allowance from the UK taxpayer - eventually, given citizenship where they continue to draw on the social welfare offered by the UK taxpayer.

It's a win win for them.
And a lose lose for any UK taxpayer with at least half a brain.
It's all very strange. I bet if I arrived in the UK I wouldn't be given a house and benefits. The US and Canada are REALLY hard to travel to even for a holiday, let alone to live, yet certain 'groups' seem to manage it easily enough and get straight onto full citizenship rights with extra benefits (in the case of Canada anyway).
This could make some WONDER if the people of some cultures REALLY ARE 'smarter' than the people of other cultures.

Re: UK RAPE GANGS - predominantly Pakistani Muslims

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:12 am
by godelian
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:00 am What about other forms of rape?
Do you want this post to be about rape or about Tommy Robinson's problem with grooming gangs? In that case, why don't you create a post titled "About rape"?
attofishpi wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:00 am
godelian wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 7:57 amI have never approved of feeding drugs to underage teenage girls.
Sure. But sooo many Muslims do.
I have already posted case studies that clarify that the problem of drug-addicted child prostitution is global and absolutely not limited to the UK. It has nothing to do with Pakistani customers in particular. In the case of Tommy Robinson's underage cousin, there seem to have been disaffected Pakistani youth as members of the drugs gang that she dealt with and Pakistani customers. Contrary to Tommy Robinson's preferred narrative, I have pointed out that the Pakistani element is not essential to the overall problem. Half of the population of Luton is Pakistani. That is what explains it. I have given you examples to demonstrate that exactly the same problem exists in Oslo, Norway, or in Auckland, New Zealand, and so on. Drug-addicted child prostitution is a worldwide problem.