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Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 7:35 pm What are your thoughts on Bowden, Flash? Pure Brownshirt Nazism? Anything redeeming in his outlook?

Everything else about him was buried beneath such a thick layer of pretentious bullshit that it hardly matters, so I can see why you would like him. But yes, he was just another one of those people who thinks the whole history of the world is a story of racial competition, just like Hitler. Being willing to take that belief system so far as to murder people might be beyond him, or you, but you guys buy into the belief system that promotes that sort of thing.

Wow. In your own way the force and intensity of your foundational ideological commitments seem (in my opinion) to blind you. Bowden is unquestionably an anti-Liberal extremist but has a mind capable of quite deep analysis of difficult questions.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 7:57 pm Being willing to take that belief system so far as to murder people might be beyond him, or you, but you guys buy into the belief system that promotes that sort of thing.

However the larger effect of the Bowden outlook (take the racialist outlook of Greg Johnson, Bowden’s big US promoter) is not violence but exclusion. I.e. sending them home; repatriating them.

In fact, in many nations in Europe, the same sentiment seems to be on the rise and it is becoming “socially acceptable” to express it. Torba’s latest surprised me for its candidness.

Shamsud Din Jabbar. Oh dear! The pot heats up.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:28 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 7:57 pm Being willing to take that belief system so far as to murder people might be beyond him, or you, but you guys buy into the belief system that promotes that sort of thing.

However the larger effect of the Bowden outlook (take the racialist outlook of Greg Johnson, Bowden’s big US promoter) is not violence but exclusion. I.e. sending them home; repatriating them.

And? Still this seems like a pisspoor way to claim to not be racist.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:28 pm In fact, in many nations in Europe, the same sentiment seems to be on the rise and it is becoming “socially acceptable” to express it. Torba’s latest surprised me for its candidness.

Yes, the racists are growing a little bolder at the moment, aren't you?

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:28 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 7:57 pm Being willing to take that belief system so far as to murder people might be beyond him, or you, but you guys buy into the belief system that promotes that sort of thing.

However the larger effect of the Bowden outlook (take the racialist outlook of Greg Johnson, Bowden’s big US promoter) is not violence but exclusion. I.e. sending them home; repatriating them.

In fact, in many nations in Europe, the same sentiment seems to be on the rise and it is becoming “socially acceptable” to express it. Torba’s latest surprised me for its candidness.

Shamsud Din Jabbar. Oh dear! The pot heats up.

How about this:

If the European and American racists don't want incompatible hordes of other races and ethnicities invading their nations via legal (or illegal) immigration,...

...then how about the European and American racists stop invading and destroying the immigrants' homelands (either overtly or covertly) to the point of making them uninhabitable?
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FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:36 pm Yes, the racists are growing a little bolder at the moment, aren't you?

I’ve held the same basic ideas for a decade now. If a country or a community choose “in-group preference” I simply accept it. I cannot myself construct a condemning position to apply, as moral punishment, to that choice.

Racialist-driven exclusion though becomes ultra-problematic in a culture that has already become multi-racial.

But the mistake may well have been to impose multi-culturalism and mullti-racialism at the start — perhaps like in Sweden or Germany. Once it has been implemented (as in Sweden) and once the negative outcomes become evident, you’re fucked. Changing things involves radical choices and programs. And that is super-problematic.

But there is the issue of collapsing demographics (Italy, etc) and then there are not enough people to keep things moving. What then?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:20 pmThis video is kind of stupid.

This is what you want England to look like; anybody who disagrees with you is "Racist":

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/493009663

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 9:36 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:36 pm Yes, the racists are growing a little bolder at the moment, aren't you?

I’ve held the same basic ideas for a decade now. If a country or a community choose “in-group preference” I simply accept it. I cannot myself construct a condemning position to apply, as moral punishment, to that choice.

Racialist-driven exclusion though becomes ultra-problematic in a culture that has already become multi-racial.

But the mistake may well have been to impose multi-culturalism and mullti-racialism at the start — perhaps like in Sweden or Germany. Once it has been implemented (as in Sweden) and once the negative outcomes become evident, you’re fucked. Changing things involves radical choices and programs. And that is super-problematic.

But there is the issue of collapsing demographics (Italy, etc) and then there are not enough people to keep things moving. What then?

Or ... and hear me out ... maybe races aren't all that important, and there's no particular reason to promote all this racial segregation and homogeneity you are always looking for.


" Changing things involves radical choices and programs. And that is super-problematic.".... you trying to lay groundwork to justify Holocaust 2.0 there buddy?

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 9:43 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 3:20 pmThis video is kind of stupid.

This is what you want England to look like; anybody who disagrees with you is "Racist":

https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/493009663

Which one of these commenters on that very obviously racist thread might you be?
Some of that stuff is so bad atto might have written it.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 9:44 pm Or ... and hear me out ... maybe races aren't all that important, and there's no particular reason to promote all this racial segregation and homogeneity you are always looking for.

My own view is that it is in the phase of the initiation of multi-culturalism that “differences” show themselves and appear alienating. That has been my recent experience in the US where so many are foreign.

But in time, and when the children become American, those divisions abate.

"Changing things involves radical choices and programs. And that is super-problematic."

.... you trying to lay groundwork to justify Holocaust 2.0 there buddy?

You are unstoppable! I wonder how Sweden (for example) will solve its present problems. I doubt it will involve holocaust ….

Get a grip on yourself, Flash!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:37 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 9:44 pm Or ... and hear me out ... maybe races aren't all that important, and there's no particular reason to promote all this racial segregation and homogeneity you are always looking for.

My own view is that it is in the phase of the initiation of multi-culturalism that “differences” show themselves and appear alienating. That has been my recent experience in the US where so many are foreign.

But in time, and when the children become American, those divisions abate.

So in that case we are probably just better off without the racial shit-stirring we get from the likes of atto and wizzy here, as well as all those guys you link to with the very intemperate comments sections that blame jews for everything?

We could just skip to the endgame where race stops counting for or against any proposition of any sort. Let people just live wherever life takes them in the jet age, let them marry whoever they fall in love with rather than trying to make them fall in love with their own "culture" etc...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:37 pm

"Changing things involves radical choices and programs. And that is super-problematic."

.... you trying to lay groundwork to justify Holocaust 2.0 there buddy?

You are unstoppable! I wonder how Sweden (for example) will solve its present problems. I doubt it will involve holocaust ….

Well you leave a lot open to interpretation by design don't you? What did you intend by that talk of radical, super-problematic programs?

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:53 pm We could just skip to the endgame where race stops counting for or against any proposition of any sort. Let people just live wherever life takes them in the jet age, let them marry whoever they fall in love with rather than trying to make them fall in love with their own "culture" etc...

Here’s the problem with that. Like it or not, communities of people, regions and nations, and even people of defined races (Japanese, Caucasian, African, American Indian), may not want what you want. They might have very different ideas and values, see?

So your idealistic program, undergirded by all sorts of ideological positions I should add, simply might not be appreciated.

The turn against Liberal impositions is often a return to the definition of prior sets of valuation. And that explains some part of what is going on today.

It is something that can be examined cooly.

Well you leave a lot open to interpretation by design don't you? What did you intend by that talk of radical, super-problematic programs?

You are ultra-paranoid. However I do understand that some of my references (Bowden’s talks!) are ever-so slightly edgy …

I intended to amplify on what Wizard is making reference to: the beginnings of a rejection of some primary Liberal tenets.

It is happening whether you think it good, bad or indifferent.

This...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:27 pm Here’s the problem with that. Like it or not, communities of people, regions and nations, and even people of defined races (Japanese, Caucasian, African, American Indian), may not want what you want. They might have very different ideas and values, see?

So your idealistic program, undergirded by all sorts of ideological positions I should add, simply might not be appreciated.

Doesn't seem to tally very much with this...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:37 pm But in time, and when the children become American, those divisions abate.

So I'll give you some time to collect your thoughts and try to work out some sort of cohesive position to take.

My position is “observer”. It is a stance that is quite literally incomprehensible to you.

Question: Why is that?!?

Answer: Ideological predicates so strong that they take over how you see.

Ho hum, silly evasive semantics from jacobi again. Briefly it seemed like you were trying to do better.

This...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 11:27 pm Here’s the problem with that. Like it or not, communities of people, regions and nations, and even people of defined races (Japanese, Caucasian, African, American Indian), may not want what you want. They might have very different ideas and values, see?

So your idealistic program, undergirded by all sorts of ideological positions I should add, simply might not be appreciated.

Doesn't seem to tally very much with this...

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2025 10:37 pm But in time, and when the children become American, those divisions abate.

So I'll give you some time to collect your thoughts and try to work out some sort of cohesive argument to make.