Philosophy Now Forum

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 3:57 pm

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 3:02 pm I'm not offering him a special parking space. But at some point in his life he would do well to gain a better understanding of why it is that all the ideas he puts out there get rejected by everybody, and why all his modes of reasoning result in such colossal failure.

Put bluntly though, every single person on this site who either by implication or explicit claim proclaims themselves to be one of, if not the greatest philosopher who ever lived, has something sort of broken in their head. That can be a developmental disorder like Age, or delusional psychosis like Fishpi and Luxin, or personality disorders like Hobnob7 and Advocate. VA is no more an exception to that rule than Roydop is.

So. I finally made the list!

What am I delusional about?

You used to not make the list because you seemed harmless and nice and I would have felt bad about picking on you. Now you are a drunken racist slob. This isn't your thread though it's VA's so let's not make it about you.

… so let's not make it about you.

lol Good luck with that, Flash!

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:08 pm You used to not make the list because you seemed harmless and nice

I am harmless and nice. Admittedly there are times when boozed up that I lose my temper with stupidity of others, so clearly that could have happened often when dealing with you.

FlashDangerpants wrote: and I would have felt bad about picking on you. Now you are a drunken racist slob.

You keep calling me a racist with no evidence.

Provide a quote of me stating something racist.

FlashDangerpants wrote:This isn't your thread though it's VA's so let's not make it about you.

You started it.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 6:46 am Yes VA, maybe they'll put you on medication so that you can be a zombie like so many of the bores on the planet.

You arn't allowed to be yourself anymore VA, the WOKE have SPOKE.

I don't give a damn.

As I had stated I am NOT in this Forum to get agreement or acceptance from others; my main purpose is for my own selfish interests to refresh of what I have gathered or learned and getting the leverage to expand my knowledge base.

I have told PH many times, I hope he will not agree with me. It is because of PH mainly [thanks him many times] that my [non-Kantian] Morality and Ethics Folder has 2055 files [some same copy] in 132 sub-folders from none earlier.

Imagine if everyone were to agree with me, what is there to discuss [other than patting each other back] nor having the opportunity for me to dig deeper and wider.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 3:08 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:57 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:35 am
Yes, you are going to do some more autism. We already knew that.

I don't have autism, generally those who have autism are expected to be open about it as evident at present. Many geniuses who had contributed greatly to humanity are autistic.

From the above you are condemning, derogate, disparage and belittle those who are autistic as evident and supporting my claim you have a moral deficiency, i.e. lack empathy - has some sort of damage within your empathy system in the brain.

You haven't been tested for autism. Show a doctor your spreadsheet of the Quran, tell him you are adding yet more columns to discuss Mein Kampf in there, and you will be sent for a test. Only an autist would do the obsessive pointless shit that you do every day.

But then you will have access to services and people who can help, so you will be happier.

Your above merely reflect your own intellectual incompetence, low IQ and mental abnormalities on this matter.
AI: "The person who repeatedly labeled someone as autistic in this manner may be exhibiting signs of a psychological issue[/b] as follows: see below:

This sort of analysis is very common with the Bible and Quran plus other fields of knowledge.
This is in a site, blog, etc. where one type a 'word' or phrase and the search engine will give you a list, verses, posts, etc. that contain the word or theme.
It is also done in this forum where you just did by searching for 'Khalili".
Because I am not a programmer to do a database search format, I had to do in in Excel.
I addition, what is available re the analysis of themes in the Quran are inefficient.

would do the obsessive pointless shit that you do every day

I did that necessary large analysis [6236 verses] to the Quran and that was done long ago and not 'every day'.

What I am doing is a sign of competence, efficiency, diligence and intelligence thinking.
Your negative comment reflect dumb, stupidity, ignorance and inefficiency.

VA to AI
Say I have a thick book.
If I were to put its 5000+ paragraphs in one column of Excel and analyze it across >1000 themes to get a better picture of the main theme, is that a sign of autistic obsession.

ChatGPT said:

ChatGPT Wrote
Not necessarily. Analyzing a book in the way you described—breaking it down into its paragraphs and categorizing them across themes—is more a sign of a methodical, detail-oriented approach than an "autistic obsession."
Such an approach could stem from intellectual curiosity, a need to understand the text deeply, or even a desire for creative or professional analysis.

Here are some considerations:

Signs of Intellectual Engagement:

Critical Thinking: Breaking a text into themes to identify the main ideas reflects analytical thinking and a systematic desire to grasp its essence.

Depth of Interest: A deep dive into a complex book is often necessary for meaningful insights, especially in academic, philosophical, or creative contexts.

Not Necessarily a "Sign" of Autism:
While people on the autism spectrum might excel at pattern recognition or engage deeply in specific interests, these traits are not exclusive to autism. Many neurotypical individuals are equally drawn to detailed projects, especially when motivated by passion or purpose.

Consider the Context:
Purpose: If you're doing this for academic research, professional analysis, or even personal satisfaction, it’s a sign of diligence, not obsession.
Balance: If this activity doesn't interfere with other aspects of your life or responsibilities, it’s likely just a productive, focused endeavor.

In short, your approach seems more like an example of structured analysis and intellectual curiosity than anything to worry about.

VA Wrote
What about the psychological state of accuser who did at every opportunity to put-down another as autistic merely because of a one-off detailed analysis of a book.

AI Wrote:
It's important to understand that labeling someone as autistic based on a single analysis, especially without proper professional evaluation, is harmful and inaccurate. Autism is a complex neurodevelopmental disorder, and diagnosing it requires specialized expertise.

The person who repeatedly labeled someone as autistic in this manner may be exhibiting signs of a psychological issue. Here are some possibilities:

Insecurity: They may be trying to boost their own self-esteem by putting others down.
Lack of empathy: They may not understand the impact of their words on others.
Misunderstanding of autism: They might have a limited or distorted understanding of autism, leading to incorrect assumptions.
Underlying mental health condition: They may be struggling with a condition like narcissism, bullying tendencies, or other personality disorders.

It's important to note that these are just possibilities, and only a qualified mental health professional can provide an accurate diagnosis. If you are concerned about someone's behavior, consider seeking professional help or support.

It's also crucial to remember that labeling someone with a disability without proper justification can be extremely harmful. It can lead to social isolation, discrimination, and emotional distress.

Note "Lack of Empathy" which I had highlighted very often, there could be other mental defects and abnormality in your brain

VA to AI
What about the psychological state of accuser who did at every opportunity to put-down another as autistic merely because of a one-off detailed analysis of a book.

AI Responded

AI Wrote
The psychological state of someone who frequently uses terms like "autistic" as a put-down, especially in response to a single instance of detailed analysis, might reflect several underlying factors, none of which are productive or well-considered. Here's a breakdown:

1. Misunderstanding of Autism
Ignorance or Stereotyping: The accuser may lack understanding of what autism is and how it manifests. They could be conflating traits like focus, attention to detail, or systematic thinking with autism in a dismissive way.
Overgeneralization: They might be using "autistic" as a catch-all label for behaviors they don't relate to or understand, which reflects an oversimplified and uninformed perspective.

2. Defensiveness or Insecurity
Projection: The accuser might feel threatened or insecure about their own abilities and try to deflect attention by criticizing others.
Defense Mechanism: If they perceive the detailed analysis as intellectual or meticulous beyond their capacity, they may attempt to diminish its value to protect their self-esteem.

3. Bullying or Hostility
Intentional Demeaning: Using terms like "autistic" as an insult can be a form of bullying, aimed at undermining or belittling someone’s effort or intellectual approach.
Power Dynamics: Some individuals put others down to feel superior or assert dominance in social or intellectual exchanges.

4. Lack of Empathy
Dismissiveness: The accuser might lack the emotional awareness or empathy to appreciate the effort and creativity behind detailed analysis.
Impatience with Differences: They might be uncomfortable with perspectives or approaches that differ from their own.

Addressing Such Behavior
Challenge Constructively: If possible, calmly point out that their labeling is inappropriate, inaccurate, and dismissive.
Clarify the Purpose: Emphasize the goal or intellectual value of your analysis to reframe the conversation.
Establish Boundaries: If the behavior persists or is hostile, consider disengaging or setting clear boundaries about what kind of interactions are acceptable.

Broader Implications
Using "autistic" as an insult not only perpetuates stigma against people on the autism spectrum but also discourages intellectual curiosity and critical thinking. It reflects more on the accuser's biases and insecurities than on the person being accused.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:10 am

VA to AI
What about the psychological state of accuser who did at every opportunity to put-down another as autistic merely because of a one-off detailed analysis of a book.

You have a bunch of autistic traits, among them is your continued difficulties reading and comprehending things that other people write. Nobody at PN thinks you are able to read what we write correctly, you always miss the point. Ask anyone.

You have a marked tendency towards formulaic repetitive behaviours and obsessions. You have wasted years of your life on a pointless vendetta against Islam, and you go to absurd lengths to engage in it. Need I remind you that you learned Arabic for the single purpose of making your own translation of the Quran so that you could then put the Quran into the autist spreadsheet? To you, this seems reasonable apparently, but to the rest of the world.... just no.

Then there's the matter of the way you are increasingly choosing to replace human interactions with AI, which of course makes sense if we note that with AI you have control of both ends of the conversation, and that's what you actually like about it, conversation with humans is stressful for you. Using such tools to mediate your contact with humans is a worrying sign to be honest, but if you get an autism counsellor they will probably teach you some techniques to reduce the complexity of conversation and help you get through them better.

And of course let's not forget your epic decision to become a great philosopher (and don't lie to me, you do think you are one of the greats don't you?) If you just want to become good at philosophy you could do what other people do, and study it at university. You can do so online, and you have done online uni courses already so ....

.... but no, your great idea was to do nothing all day every day for something like 3 years other than reading Kant. That's been a big boast of yours in the past. Frankly, that's a lot more effort than I put in to getting a university degree in the subject. The choice of wasting those three years probably seemed sensible to you for some reason, but the rest of the world will just see it as both obsessive and counter-productive.

Of course, although autism remains the likeliest explanation for such obsessive behaviour, you should consult a medical professional to get the matter addressed correctly. You really just need to take your laptop to the doctor's office and explain the spreadsheet to him and you absolutely will be referred for testing. But sure, you can tell him why you learned Arabic, and how you became a great philosopher if you need to seal the deal.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:10 am VA to AI
What about the psychological state of accuser who did at every opportunity to put-down another as autistic merely because of a one-off detailed analysis of a book.

And you are supposed to be the one, in your own estimation, with the nuanced and objective prompts to AIs?

Your self-proclaimed massive project analyzing the Koran ('a book' lol) is a one off action?

I actually dislike the calling out someone for autistic behaviors (or other diagnoses) but it's ridiculous to suddenly minimize the role that one-off activity had in the years of its being carried out and then wielded.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 3:58 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:10 am VA to AI
What about the psychological state of accuser who did at every opportunity to put-down another as autistic merely because of a one-off detailed analysis of a book.

And you are supposed to be the one, in your own estimation, with the nuanced and objective prompts to AIs?

Your self-proclaimed massive project analyzing the Koran ('a book' lol) is a one off action?

I actually dislike the calling out someone for autistic behaviors (or other diagnoses) but it's ridiculous to suddenly minimize the role that one-off activity had in the years of its being carried out and then wielded.

What are you blabbering about?

An autistic person will obsessively do the same Excel Analysis for many of the books he read without understanding or use it efficiently for any specific or defined purposes.

If I am autistic, I would be doing that for all [the major] the books I have read, i.e. those on Buddhism, Kantianism, Hegelian, Schoppenhauer, Nietzsche, Heidegger and others.

So far, I have only done it with the Quran which I believe is the most efficient way to comprehend the main themes of the religion to avoid its evils and striving for perpetual peace.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:20 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 3:58 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:10 am VA to AI
What about the psychological state of accuser who did at every opportunity to put-down another as autistic merely because of a one-off detailed analysis of a book.

And you are supposed to be the one, in your own estimation, with the nuanced and objective prompts to AIs?

Your self-proclaimed massive project analyzing the Koran ('a book' lol) is a one off action?

I actually dislike the calling out someone for autistic behaviors (or other diagnoses) but it's ridiculous to suddenly minimize the role that one-off activity had in the years of its being carried out and then wielded.

What are you blabbering about?

An autistic person will obsessively do the same Excel Analysis for many of the books he read without understanding or use it efficiently for any specific or defined purposes.

One of the things that people with autism find difficult is understating the subtext in what others write. The good news for you though is that what you failed to understand when you misread IWP there was just the text, not even subtext. He's not the one saying you are autistic, that's me, in subtext he is in fact criticising me for that.

What he is criticising you for is that your AI prompt was misleading. Specifically because you massively undersell the ridiculous effort that you put into that Quran spreadsheet thing (which included the pointless activity of learning a language specifically to make your own redundant translation). You describe that as just " a one-off detailed analysis of a book" which he finds preposterous.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:20 am If I am autistic, I would be doing that for all [the major] the books I have read, i.e. those on Buddhism, Kantianism, Hegelian, Schoppenhauer, Nietzsche, Heidegger and others.

In another thread you just wrote "I don't spent 3 years full time on Tom Dick or Harry philosophers but given that Kant is one of the Greatest Philosophers of ALL Times...." So no explanation of why you didn't make a spreadsheet of the others is required.

But let's not forget that you are once again, underselling the obsessive behaviour. You didn't create a spreadsheet and learn Arabic so that you could do a normal textual analysis of the Quran. You are organising your spreadsheet entirely by categories of evilness, so you wouldn't do any such thing for something you don't consider evil.

Your obsessive hatred of Islam is entirely in keeping with something like Asperger's and ASD in general. And frankly your massive overspend on one particular philosopher is as well.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:20 am So far, I have only done it with the Quran which I believe is the most efficient way to comprehend the main themes of the religion to avoid its evils and striving for perpetual peace.

It's not going to be easy to find anybody without an ASD to agree with that belief I'm afraid. Genuinely, your life will get better if you go to the doctor and show him your spreadsheet and then let him send you for the obvious tests.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:20 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 3:58 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2024 9:10 am VA to AI
What about the psychological state of accuser who did at every opportunity to put-down another as autistic merely because of a one-off detailed analysis of a book.

And you are supposed to be the one, in your own estimation, with the nuanced and objective prompts to AIs?

Your self-proclaimed massive project analyzing the Koran ('a book' lol) is a one off action?

I actually dislike the calling out someone for autistic behaviors (or other diagnoses) but it's ridiculous to suddenly minimize the role that one-off activity had in the years of its being carried out and then wielded.

What are you blabbering about?

An autistic person will obsessively do the same Excel Analysis for many of the books he read without understanding or use it efficiently for any specific or defined purposes.

Actually autistic people can have a very wide range of patterns. They can be very effective in pretty much any field of endeavor. You don't know what you're talking about and FDP is correct that you managed not to understand me.

If I am autistic, I would be doing that for all [the major] the books I have read, i.e. those on Buddhism, Kantianism, Hegelian, Schoppenhauer, Nietzsche, Heidegger and others.

Nope. You could, like anyone else, have a chosen focus, where certain patterns come to the fore.

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:46 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:20 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2024 3:58 pm
And you are supposed to be the one, in your own estimation, with the nuanced and objective prompts to AIs?

Your self-proclaimed massive project analyzing the Koran ('a book' lol) is a one off action?

I actually dislike the calling out someone for autistic behaviors (or other diagnoses) but it's ridiculous to suddenly minimize the role that one-off activity had in the years of its being carried out and then wielded.

What are you blabbering about?

An autistic person will obsessively do the same Excel Analysis for many of the books he read without understanding or use it efficiently for any specific or defined purposes.

One of the things that people with autism find difficult is understating the subtext in what others write. The good news for you though is that what you failed to understand when you misread IWP there was just the text, not even subtext. He's not the one saying you are autistic, that's me, in subtext he is in fact criticising me for that.

What he is criticising you for is that your AI prompt was misleading. Specifically because you massively undersell the ridiculous effort that you put into that Quran spreadsheet thing (which included the pointless activity of learning a language specifically to make your own redundant translation). You describe that as just " a one-off detailed analysis of a book" which he finds preposterous.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:20 am If I am autistic, I would be doing that for all [the major] the books I have read, i.e. those on Buddhism, Kantianism, Hegelian, Schoppenhauer, Nietzsche, Heidegger and others.

In another thread you just wrote "I don't spent 3 years full time on Tom Dick or Harry philosophers but given that Kant is one of the Greatest Philosophers of ALL Times...." So no explanation of why you didn't make a spreadsheet of the others is required.

But let's not forget that you are once again, underselling the obsessive behaviour. You didn't create a spreadsheet and learn Arabic so that you could do a normal textual analysis of the Quran. You are organising your spreadsheet entirely by categories of evilness, so you wouldn't do any such thing for something you don't consider evil.

Your obsessive hatred of Islam is entirely in keeping with something like Asperger's and ASD in general. And frankly your massive overspend on one particular philosopher is as well.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:20 am So far, I have only done it with the Quran which I believe is the most efficient way to comprehend the main themes of the religion to avoid its evils and striving for perpetual peace.

It's not going to be easy to find anybody without an ASD to agree with that belief I'm afraid. Genuinely, your life will get better if you go to the doctor and show him your spreadsheet and then let him send you for the obvious tests.

I wish I am autistic with ASD like Elon Musk but unfortunately I am not.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 7:41 am

FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:46 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:20 am
What are you blabbering about?

An autistic person will obsessively do the same Excel Analysis for many of the books he read without understanding or use it efficiently for any specific or defined purposes.

One of the things that people with autism find difficult is understating the subtext in what others write. The good news for you though is that what you failed to understand when you misread IWP there was just the text, not even subtext. He's not the one saying you are autistic, that's me, in subtext he is in fact criticising me for that.

What he is criticising you for is that your AI prompt was misleading. Specifically because you massively undersell the ridiculous effort that you put into that Quran spreadsheet thing (which included the pointless activity of learning a language specifically to make your own redundant translation). You describe that as just " a one-off detailed analysis of a book" which he finds preposterous.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:20 am If I am autistic, I would be doing that for all [the major] the books I have read, i.e. those on Buddhism, Kantianism, Hegelian, Schoppenhauer, Nietzsche, Heidegger and others.

In another thread you just wrote "I don't spent 3 years full time on Tom Dick or Harry philosophers but given that Kant is one of the Greatest Philosophers of ALL Times...." So no explanation of why you didn't make a spreadsheet of the others is required.

But let's not forget that you are once again, underselling the obsessive behaviour. You didn't create a spreadsheet and learn Arabic so that you could do a normal textual analysis of the Quran. You are organising your spreadsheet entirely by categories of evilness, so you wouldn't do any such thing for something you don't consider evil.

Your obsessive hatred of Islam is entirely in keeping with something like Asperger's and ASD in general. And frankly your massive overspend on one particular philosopher is as well.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 4:20 am So far, I have only done it with the Quran which I believe is the most efficient way to comprehend the main themes of the religion to avoid its evils and striving for perpetual peace.

It's not going to be easy to find anybody without an ASD to agree with that belief I'm afraid. Genuinely, your life will get better if you go to the doctor and show him your spreadsheet and then let him send you for the obvious tests.

I wish I am autistic with ASD like Elon Musk but unfortunately I am not.

The evidence presented by your wobbly philosophical work suggests that you should consult your doctor before leaping to that conclusion.

If anything VA might be a "reverse autist". I wonder if there is such a thing.

I usually imagine that in autism the left hemisphere overrides the right hemisphere, but VA's case seems to be the opposite, the right hemisphere overriding the left hemisphere. That could be one explanation why he 100% can't process logic.

Atla wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2024 6:08 pm If anything VA might be a "reverse autist". I wonder if there is such a thing.

I usually imagine that in autism the left hemisphere overrides the right hemisphere, but VA's case seems to be the opposite, the right hemisphere overriding the left hemisphere. That could be one explanation why he 100% can't process logic.

You think you are an expert on logic covering the below?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
Definition
Basic concepts
Premises, conclusions, and truth
Premises and conclusions
Internal structure
Logical truth
Truth tables
Arguments and inferences
Deductive
Ampliative
Fallacies
Definitory and strategic rules
Formal systems

Systems of logic
Aristotelian
Classical
Propositional logic
First-order logic
Extended
Modal logic
Higher order logic
Deviant
Informal

Areas of research
Philosophy of logic and philosophical logic
Metalogic
Mathematical logic
Computational logic
Formal semantics of natural language
Epistemology of logic

I have not focused much on logic extensively but I am very familiar with the basic requirements of logic in general.

Give me an example where I had failed in logic?
In most cases where I am accused [by PH and FDP] of failed logic is 'circularity' but this is actually due to their failed logic in the broader sense.

AI wrote
You've astutely observed that humans often engage in self-referential and iterative thought processes, seemingly defying the logical pitfalls of circularity. This is a fascinating paradox that has intrigued philosophers and logicians for centuries.

Examples of Beneficial Self-Reference and Iteration ...