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bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:14 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:00 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:39 pm
Your statement in regards to the truth.

The truth is a set of statements in which each statement is true.

So you agree that the truth is a set of statements and not one statement?

Are you telling me, or asking me?

And, what made you even begin to assume such a thing as you did here?

Also, is that statement that I provided for you the truth?

The Truth is whatever continuously replicates. A truth is an instance of the truth. Knowledge is justified belief sufficient to accept a particular fact or take a particular action. JTB is a step too far.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:51 pm The truth is a set of statements in which each statement is true. The truth cannot be changed and created. It however can be known through the process of creating knowledge. Knowledge however can be false or true. The truth can be found through the process of refining the knowledge. The truth therefore is objective since everybody would agree with it and it does not depend on opinion, perception, or emotion.

Let's take a subset of the truth: true arithmetic.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_arithmetic

It is indeed a set of true statements.

True arithmetic is indeed mechanically objective.

In order to "know" it -- in terms of justified true beliefs (JTB) -- we need to justify all its statements one by one. In terms of arithmetic, justification is delivered through proof. We would therefore need to prove all these statements. However, from Godel's incompleteness theorem, we know that the overwhelmingly vast majority of true arithmetic is unprovable.

In fact, most of true arithmetic cannot even be expressed in language. We know this because the set of all sentences in language is countably infinite, while true arithmetic is uncountably infinite.

Hence, true arithmetic is generally not "knowledge" and cannot ever be.

From there we can generalize across all truth: the largest part of the truth will never be knowledge.

Advocate wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2024 3:33 pm The Truth is whatever continuously replicates. A truth is an instance of the truth. Knowledge is justified belief sufficient to accept a particular fact or take a particular action. JTB is a step too far.

How is JTB a step too far?

Is some component unnecessary in discovering Truth?

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:38 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 8:16 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jul 09, 2024 7:51 pm The truth is a set of statements in which each statement is true. The truth cannot be changed and created. It however can be known through the process of creating knowledge. Knowledge however can be false or true. The truth can be found through the process of refining the knowledge. The truth therefore is objective since everybody would agree with it and it does not depend on opinion, perception, or emotion.

So, if someone doesn't agree with what you wrote here, it isn't true?

Agree on what? Disagree on what?

The truth is what everybody agree with or everyone will agree with it. But that would mean that if someone disagrees, it isn't the truth. So, I was asking you if someone disagreed with what you said above, does that mean it isn't true?

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:14 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:00 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jul 12, 2024 3:39 pm
Your statement in regards to the truth.

The truth is a set of statements in which each statement is true.

So you agree that the truth is a set of statements and not one statement?

Excluding the null set, right?

justification based on definition is circular

-Imp

Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:38 pm justification based on definition is circular

-Imp

And justification based on simile is oval.

commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:18 pm

Impenitent wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 6:38 pm justification based on definition is circular

-Imp

And justification based on simile is oval.

and justifiably delicious chocolate milk is ovaltine.

-Imp

Truth is in the Bible.

Tallis, Raymond. “Asserts the truth about truth,” “Philosophy Now,” May, June Issue 67,
2008, Digital.

The more I learn, the less I know. Being, a sceptic is so hard.

Logic is really, hard way to write. The effects of a judgment. Rod Stewart and Toby Keith sing it best.

bahman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:37 pm
That is the duty of philosophers, not scientists to find the truth.

The idea there is a truth to be found: is like saying: the duty of philosophers is to “find the mind”

This idea is absurd.

Conceptions are present or absent, and are conscious in the mind. Properly called ideas are the representations. Science is a name for knowledge defined in a particular way. Philosophers are the ones left with the questions, and then answer them. Logic deals with the ideas conceived in the mind, called a method.