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Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:54 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:06 am
It's so draining for Age to remain humble when talking to us, even though she's channeling god's infallible wisdom and we're mere clueless, lost children.

Only an ignorant fool preoccupied with his own false sense of separate identity would believe something ridiculous like that.

Try talking about ideas, and maybe try not to shame and blame. Maybe also refrain from the urge to claim the fame, would help. Maybe just try actually listening once in a while.

Try talking about what this mentally constructed sense of being a separate 'conscious self' actually means.

It's obvious, that the sense of being a separate 'conscious self' is a false belief that has no place in reality, because the sense of being a separate conscious self, is never the same twice. A conscious self cannot be a permanent, fixed, static, separate entity, living apart from everything else. The sense of being a conscious self is not permanent, it changes every second. The you that you think/sense you are, is never the same conscious self as the you that you were yesterday, or will be the same in the very next moment, or the future. There is simply no sense of individual self here apart from the everything appearing only now.

There's simply this ever present simplicity of this unborn, undying, infinite flow of life, that is always now.

Again, guess you'll never get out of your absolute-relative confusion and return to living like a separate human. Also, again, this is not what Age believes, she literally believes to be channeling a god-entity.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:25 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:26 am
See, once 'you' understand who and what the 'I' is, exactly,

I is the ''I Am'' unchanging empty presence in which the everything/fullness appears. I is awareness aware of being aware.

I is the direct experience of being. When being is known,everything is known, because everything is the extension of what is ultimately this empty I AM presence appearing as everything.

And, it is 'i', 'the personal human self', which human beings try to say and claim exists, which is the 'illusory self', which does not actually exist, that is talked about and which is being referred to in 'non-dual discussions'.

There is only One 'I', but no actual 'i's.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:25 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:26 amSee, what has led 'you' to what 'you' previously and are 'currently' thinking, has been 'your' own assumptions,

What is here when 'thinking' stops?

When 'you' say, 'here', what do 'you' actually mean, or what are 'you' actually referring to, exactly?

The answer is an invitation to fall into the wordless I Am empty presence, the simplicity of what is, just as it is, right here and now.[/quote]

It could also be said or argued that 'knowing' starts. In that 'I' just, simply, 'know' all, that exists, HERE, NOW, and which 'all' 'just is', 'as is'.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:25 am You cannot escape your conception. The concept of you. The thought of you.

Who and/or what cannot, supposedly, escape 'your conception'.

What exists are 'conceptions', within human bodies or heads.

The words 'you', 'self', or 'person', are just referring to 'those concepts', which are just 'thoughts', and 'those emotions', within a particular body.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:25 am If you say ''I have a self'' this is a concept/thought known.

Okay. But, the 'I' would never say that It has 'a self'.

The 'I' is the One and only True and/or Real Self, which exists.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 8:25 am If you say ''I have no self'' this is also a concept/thought known.

The 'I' is the 'Self'.

'I', in the invisible sense, is the Mind, Itself. And,

'I', in the visible sense, is the Universe, Itself.

Of which there is only One of.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:06 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:54 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:06 am
It's so draining for Age to remain humble when talking to us, even though she's channeling god's infallible wisdom and we're mere clueless, lost children.

Only an ignorant fool preoccupied with his own false sense of separate identity would believe something ridiculous like that.

Try talking about ideas, and maybe try not to shame and blame. Maybe also refrain from the urge to claim the fame, would help. Maybe just try actually listening once in a while.

Try talking about what this mentally constructed sense of being a separate 'conscious self' actually means.

It's obvious, that the sense of being a separate 'conscious self' is a false belief that has no place in reality, because the sense of being a separate conscious self, is never the same twice. A conscious self cannot be a permanent, fixed, static, separate entity, living apart from everything else. The sense of being a conscious self is not permanent, it changes every second. The you that you think/sense you are, is never the same conscious self as the you that you were yesterday, or will be the same in the very next moment, or the future. There is simply no sense of individual self here apart from the everything appearing only now.

There's simply this ever present simplicity of this unborn, undying, infinite flow of life, that is always now.

Again, guess you'll never get out of your absolute-relative confusion and return to living like a separate human. Also, again, this is not what Age believes, she literally believes to be channeling a god-entity.

LOL This one could not make a more False and Wrong claim here even if it wanted to.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:54 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:06 am
It's so draining for Age to remain humble when talking to us, even though she's channeling god's infallible wisdom and we're mere clueless, lost children.

Only an ignorant fool preoccupied with his own false sense of separate identity would believe something ridiculous like that.

Try talking about ideas, and maybe try not to shame and blame.

This one could never ever actually shame here, well not from 'my perspective' anyway. Although it obviously continually tries to.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:54 am Maybe also refrain from the urge to claim the fame, would help. Maybe just try actually listening once in a while.

Try talking about what this mentally constructed sense of being a separate 'conscious self' actually means.

It's obvious, that the sense of being a separate 'conscious self' is a false belief that has no place in reality, because the sense of being a separate conscious self, is never the same twice.

"atla" tried to find the 'nondual One', or 'nondual Self', but because "atla" was unable to it fell back to the dual perspective of 'self', and thus believes, absolutely, that there is only lots of 'different selves' existing, and each with their own personal dualistic minds.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:54 am A conscious self cannot be a permanent, fixed, static, separate entity, living apart from everything else. The sense of being a conscious self is not permanent, it changes every second. The you that you think/sense you are, is never the same conscious self as the you that you were yesterday, or will be the same in the very next moment, or the future. There is simply no sense of individual self here apart from the everything appearing only now.

There's simply this ever present simplicity of this unborn, undying, infinite flow of life, that is always now.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:06 am Again, guess you'll never get out of your absolute-relative confusion and return to living like a separate human.

When you talk about others like that, it is one of the consequences of someone unwilling to empty the trash-can that is their own self-serving, projectile vomiting preoccupation with their own cluttered mind. Pure Projection onto something that's not there, except in your own mind.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:23 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:06 am Again, guess you'll never get out of your absolute-relative confusion and return to living like a separate human.

When you talk about others like that, it is one of the consequences of someone unwilling to empty the trash-can that is their own self-serving, projectile vomiting preoccupation with their own cluttered mind. Pure Projection onto something that's not there, except in your own mind.

A mind can never be fully emptied. The one with the self-serving, projectile vomiting preoccupation here is you, because you believe that your mind can be fully emptied. What a ridiculously self-serving delusion.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:18 am "atla" tried to find the 'nondual One', or 'nondual Self', but because "atla" was unable to it fell back to the dual perspective of 'self', and thus believes, absolutely, that there is only lots of 'different selves' existing, and each with their own personal dualistic minds.

We've seen that you can present no evidence whatsoever either that you've found this supposed One self. No surprise there, you're simply insane. Also, I never had to "fall back", I wasn't that dumb.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:30 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:23 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:06 am Again, guess you'll never get out of your absolute-relative confusion and return to living like a separate human.

When you talk about others like that, it is one of the consequences of someone unwilling to empty the trash-can that is their own self-serving, projectile vomiting preoccupation with their own cluttered mind. Pure Projection onto something that's not there, except in your own mind.

A mind can never be fully emptied. The one with the self-serving, projectile vomiting preoccupation here is you, because you believe that your mind can be fully emptied. What a ridiculously self-serving delusion.

Projection.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:11 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:30 am

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:23 am

When you talk about others like that, it is one of the consequences of someone unwilling to empty the trash-can that is their own self-serving, projectile vomiting preoccupation with their own cluttered mind. Pure Projection onto something that's not there, except in your own mind.

A mind can never be fully emptied. The one with the self-serving, projectile vomiting preoccupation here is you, because you believe that your mind can be fully emptied. What a ridiculously self-serving delusion.

Projection.

Curious, where did you get the idea that a mind can be fully emptied? Where do you have most of your beliefs from? Did you go to some kind of New Age group, or read it somewhere or sg else?

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:17 am A mind can never be fully emptied.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:17 amCurious, where did you get the idea that a mind can be fully emptied?

Probably the same place you got the idea a mind can never be fully emptied.

The usefulness of a mind is in it's emptiness.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:17 am Where do you have most of your beliefs from? Did you go to some kind of New Age group, or read it somewhere or sg else?

Same place you get your beliefs from.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:39 am
We've seen that you can present no evidence whatsoever either that you've found this supposed One self. No surprise there, you're simply insane. Also, I never had to "fall back", I wasn't that dumb.

When you do not say, or think about anything. You can simply watch yourself fall back into the wordless - thoughtless (I Am empty presence), the simplicity of what is, just as it is, right here and now.

Stop projecting your own cluttered mind onto other minds as if they exist outside your own. They don't, you have zero access to such minds, let alone any evidence for them. These other minds are simply your projection.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 11:50 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 10:39 am
We've seen that you can present no evidence whatsoever either that you've found this supposed One self. No surprise there, you're simply insane. Also, I never had to "fall back", I wasn't that dumb.

When you do not say, or think about anything. You can simply watch yourself fall back into the wordless - thoughtless (I Am empty presence), the simplicity of what is, just as it is, right here and now.

Stop projecting your own cluttered mind onto other minds as if they exist outside your own. They don't, you have zero access to such minds, let alone any evidence for them. These other minds are simply your projection.

What for? I can pretty much always experience the "I am", even while speaking or thinking.

And if there are no other minds then why do you come to an online forum, you could just stare at the wall and mumble to yourself.

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 12:05 pm

And if there are no other minds then why do you come to an online forum, you could just stare at the wall and mumble to yourself.

Other minds are the mind, the only mind there is. If there are two or more minds, then show me where the dividing line is between my mind and your your mind, the line that separates my mind from yours? You can't can't make such a division, can you, because the mind is simply any idea. It has no physical exact location that you can pin down and isolate off from the everything.

I thought you knew this, I'm baffled as to why you choose to be so contrary and pedantic about this subject. Oh wait, this is a philosophy forum, so we better act as though we are lots of little minds interacting with each other, either disagreeing or agreeing over what we think we know. Ok, carry on.

Fairy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:54 am

Atla wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2024 9:06 am
It's so draining for Age to remain humble when talking to us, even though she's channeling god's infallible wisdom and we're mere clueless, lost children.

Only an ignorant fool preoccupied with his own false sense of separate identity would believe something ridiculous like that.

Try talking about ideas, and maybe try not to shame and blame.

I would love to find a way to say this gently.

In any case, it seems like this post written in the account of Fairy is doing what it seems to want not to be done.