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Re: PH Had Successfully Refuted VA??

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:57 pm
by Atla
Peter Holmes wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:46 pm
Atla wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 5:56 pm As if a debate between two demonstrably wrong positions could have a genuine winner.
Erm. Just to play the ball back. Please can you demonstrate, in a nutshell, the rightness of your position?
This again. This is not a ball game. You're simply a dude who is willfully ignoring a big portion of established science, and is also willfully denying that we are experiencing anything at all. We will never learn why.

Re: PH Had Successfully Refuted VA??

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:11 pm
by Peter Holmes
Atla wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:57 pm
Peter Holmes wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:46 pm
Atla wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 5:56 pm As if a debate between two demonstrably wrong positions could have a genuine winner.
Erm. Just to play the ball back. Please can you demonstrate, in a nutshell, the rightness of your position?
This again. This is not a ball game. You're simply a dude who is willfully ignoring a big portion of established science, and is also willfully denying that we are experiencing anything at all. We will never learn why.
Well, that isn't my position. And it doesn't explain yours. Forget it.

Re: PH Had Successfully Refuted VA??

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:26 pm
by Flannel Jesus
Iwannaplato wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:49 pm
Flannel Jesus wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:05 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:01 am VA takes a post of PH's from a thread on objective morality and makes it the OP of a new thread
Yeah he's an attention whore. It doesn't even matter if it's positive attention or not.
When this was pointed out in this thread, he defended it as simplifying a complex problem by breaking it into smaller pieces. So, he starts a thread with a long response of PHs covering many different issues. He does not take each one to threads he already has on these various topics. He does not respond to any of PH's responses, but throws out some strange declarations of victory, moving the conversation nowhere.

His rationalization was a tall-tale
told by an idiot
simplifying nothing.
Do you think VA knows how most other people here see him?

Re: PH Had Successfully Refuted VA??

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:09 pm
by Iwannaplato
Flannel Jesus wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 7:26 pm Do you think VA knows how most other people here see him?
Yes.

If you think, for example, realists are primitive, fear-driven homonids, you have a good base to dismiss 98% or humanity and their opinions. He has other categories that means you are someone who can easily be dismissed.

The odd thing is that he thinks we can simply look at neurons and determine morality, but current neurons functioning right now in all these subpar people.

Re: PH Had Successfully Refuted VA??

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:59 pm
by Flannel Jesus
Iwannaplato wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:09 pmThe odd thing is that he thinks we can simply look at neurons and determine morality, but current neurons functioning right now in all these subpar people.
But would the neurons really be there if there was nobody there to ... uhh...

Re: PH Had Successfully Refuted VA??

Posted: Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:38 pm
by Iwannaplato
Flannel Jesus wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:59 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:09 pmThe odd thing is that he thinks we can simply look at neurons and determine morality, but current neurons functioning right now in all these subpar people.
But would the neurons really be there if there was nobody there to ... uhh...
Well, you're neurons don't exist right now. They're noumena. Unless you're having brain surgery right now. Otherwise, unobservables...sort of like morality.