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accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 7:37 pm
So what? I need your permission to disagree,

What you wrote isn't disagreeing, it's just an entirely different irrelevant thing.

"Isn't the materialist perspective of consciousness awe inspiring?" "I think Jesus is more awe inspiring"

It's just... off topic.

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 7:37 pmWhat if a thread title was 'Trump will win the next electiion'? Or 'Trump was the greatest American president ever'? So no one would be 'allowed' to make any comments that disagreed with those?

If a thread was titled that, and you made the same comment in that thread that you made here, I'd also point out that the thread isn't about your comment.

''Words don't mean anything when age says them. He purports to have some path for humanity to follow to come to universal agreement, involving honesty and curiosity, but he can't even be plainly honest when people ask him basic questions. He's entirely full of shit.''

In a thread with the title ''Atheist equals theist''. Nothing there that has anything to do with the thread title.

Getting back to the topic of 'consciousness', the 'consciousness preceding biology' hypothesis is far more 'mystical' than the other way around. The line between 'religion and science' is getting blurrier by the day.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:33 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:32 pm Isn't it more awe-inspiring to think that 'consciousness' might be fundamental and the brain is only the vessel that it uses to access our 'reality'?
Or that what we think of as 'reality' is simply a creation of 'consciousness'?

This thread isn't about what might be more or less. I'm sure it's more awe inspiring to imagine Donald Trump and Jesus riding a velociraptor with ar15s, but this thread ain't about that.

The comment that accelafine made above, along with the one she made to Imp...

accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:59 am

Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:53 pm once again, if the brain didn't create consciousness, lobotomies wouldn't work...

-Imp

They damage the hardware so the software can't function properly. It doesn't prove anything.

...were both spot on and completely relevant to this thread.

If anything is off topic, it was you introducing Trump, Jesus, velociraptors and ar15s into the conversation.

Why are you trying to cause trouble?
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Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 3:57 pm

Eudaimonia23 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2024 6:58 pm It's amazing, actually. Non-conscious matter giving rise to subjective experience. It's awe-inspiring; dare I say even mystical.

So, what makes you consider the word 'mystical': inspiring a sense of spiritual mystery, awe, and fascination or relating to mystics or religious mysticism.

To me, the word mystical is synomous with the word spiritual. I use the word mystical in the sense of being awe-inspiring and profound. I know people, esp. philosophers, don't really like the word mystical, associating it with superstition and charaltanism, but as previously mentioned, I use the word to simply mean awe-inspiring and profound.