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Walker wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:22 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 6:51 am

The ostensible fuel for climate change is that combustibles release heat and energy, and the heat gets trapped in the atmosphere. Wokers say that If humans had not released the heat into the atmosphere with their petroleum needs, along with wood and bovine-paddy cooking fires, then the planet would be more “natural” for all non-human life, and therefore better.

"Better" concerning the future is about belief.

This belief ignores the obvious fact that the cyclical pattern of Ice Ages has been disrupted. The planet is overdue for a deep freeze, given past performance. In the grand scheme this unlocking of energy by humans to keep things warm was rather decent for Life which is accustomed to adaptation and shape-shifting as conditions inevitably change.

You don't have a clue what the fuck you are talking about so stop pretending that you do.

Walker wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:22 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 6:51 am

The ostensible fuel for climate change is that combustibles release heat and energy, and the heat gets trapped in the atmosphere.

Fuck me Walker, you've got no idea. It's the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.

CO2 IS a major concern. We are releasing huge quantities that have been stored underground from over a 350 million years ago ALL within the space of a couple of hundred years. Climate scientists are fully aware that this is a man made cause of climate change. A major problem of the warming effect is that frozen tundra throughout Siberia is now releasing mega tons of methane (One of the worst of contributors to CO2 - from CH4)

Recent Parts Per Million (ppm) of Carbon:-
Pre-Industrial Era (before 1800): CO₂ levels were relatively stable, around 280 ppm.
Industrial Revolution (1800 - 1950): A gradual increase in CO₂ levels, reaching about 310 ppm by 1950.
Modern Era (1950 - Present): A significant and rapid increase in CO₂ levels, surpassing 400 ppm in recent years.

As of May 2024, the concentration of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere is approximately 424 parts per million (ppm).

Yeah. Stored energy released, by humans. Plants just love it. Bovines eat plants, humans eat bovines and plants that wouldn't exist without man's hunger. It all balances out. There's no evidence that these numbers are detrimental.

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:13 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 11:52 am

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 7:47 am

Nothing to do with what I wrote.

Well, there are big points in the Woke system of scoring for being 'virtuous' about global warming, according to the Woke narrative. So yes, it has a lot to do with that, and Greta's a great example of how silly the Wokies get about that subject.

She is woke. Global warming is not.

"Global warming" is just a phenomenon, though. We aren't able to say precisely why it's happening, or how fast, or where it's going. And we're not able to decide on some easy solution -- like, "we all need to drive electric cars," or "recycling," and particularly not "the affluent West must shut down."

The Industrial Revolution, which was such a polluter and producer of carbon, is going to be reproduced -- and already is being reproduced -- in China and India...with all of the carbon effects and global impact that that entails. And if we imagine that the Industrial Revolution and early modern period created global warming, just imagine what will happen when those far more populous countries do the same modernizing transformation, with all of its nasty stages, but on a much larger scale.

The modern West is already far better at sanitation, efficient combustion, pollution controls, and such -- all the carbon reduction methods we currently know -- than is the developing world. So to penalize the West for being clean is just fine-tuning things that are already more successful. Now, nothing the West does matters, unless what they do is going to change India and China's course. And the best way we can do that is not by trying to punish those countries from wanting to have what we already have, but by inventing the clean, cheap energy they need, so they can modernize without flushing massive amounts of CO2 and such into the atmosphere we all are going to be breathing.

But our current gestures of Western "climate friendliness" are a drop in the climate 'bucket.' They only penalize the environmentally successful, and leave the coming causes of crisis entirely unaddressed. Unless we deal generously and wisely with the modernization crisis in the developing world, we'll do nothing sufficient to change the trajectory of any man-made global warming.

That's the hard truth for us to face about global warming. But the Wokies are keeping us all focused on useless, counterproductive symbolic gestures, such as phony "plastic recycling" (really, plastic dumping) or "electric batteries," (which are volatile, expensive, and have a bigger carbon footprint than even comparable gas technologies do) instead of getting us down to more promising, potentially far more clean technologies, such as hydrogen. It won't work, and it will make the problem worse: but the Wokies will keep on praising every measure that looks to the uninformed, Western public like something "climate friendly." And they will keep flagellating the West, as if that's going to save the world.

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:25 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:22 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 6:51 am

The ostensible fuel for climate change is that combustibles release heat and energy, and the heat gets trapped in the atmosphere. Wokers say that If humans had not released the heat into the atmosphere with their petroleum needs, along with wood and bovine-paddy cooking fires, then the planet would be more “natural” for all non-human life, and therefore better.

"Better" concerning the future is about belief.

This belief ignores the obvious fact that the cyclical pattern of Ice Ages has been disrupted. The planet is overdue for a deep freeze, given past performance. In the grand scheme this unlocking of energy by humans to keep things warm was rather decent for Life which is accustomed to adaptation and shape-shifting as conditions inevitably change.

You don't have a clue what the fuck you are talking about so stop pretending that you do.

Unmistakably ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7fBjiRfZtM

*

However I see the error in reception. I should have written ...

The ostensible fuel for Climate Change Religion* is that combustibles release heat and energy ...



* Wokies are an influential sect.

Fucking religious fuckturds fuck up every thread with their bullshit anti-science agenda. Feck off the pair of ya!

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:00 pm Fucking religious fuckturds fuck up every thread with their bullshit anti-science agenda. Feck off the pair of ya!

So...

You invent a controversial topic, and post it publicly, on a philosophy forum.

And then, when people don't instantly agree with you, you abuse them -- and you abuse them on irrelevant grounds, on things that have nothing to do with anything they said.

I'm just curious: in your world, is that what passes for 'doing philosophy'?

The thread is about wokism, not science denying. Make your own thread if you want to 'prove' that global warming isn't happening.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:08 pm

She's likely just exhibiting a vigorous denial of her Wokism that is rooted in the irrational belief that a warm planet is not preferable to a frozen planet, and as agents of order (intelligence), humans have made it possible, whether or not that was intended ... by humans.

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:11 pm The thread is about wokism, not science denying. Make your own thread if you want to 'prove' that global warming isn't happening.

I didn't say it isn't happening. I said it is. But I said what's true: we don't know exactly how fast, or why, or what the human role is in it. And that's exactly what science shows. Anybody who pretends to be more confident than that is not following science, but a popular narrative.

On that note, you should maybe actually read what people post. I talked a lot about Wokism. I just didn't agree with your claim that it had no association with the "global warming" issue. It certainly does.

And I'm right. Greta's the most obvious proof, but far from the totality of it. I could have talked further about the convenient association between Woke aspirations to force Socialism upon the developed West through deliberate destruction of Western economies by way of pretensions of "saving the planet," (see "The Great Reset," by the WEF), or the too-convenient association between selective punishing of the West for "decolonization" (another key Woke trope), while completely overlooking the colonial activities of places like China, as well as their disproportionate contribution to the gasses said to cause global warming...

Wokies are what is going to kill the planet. Because they're determined to make you and I look at things other than the real causes, and to waste all our energies and attention of things that don't matter. That's because their real goal is the destruction of the "capitalist" economies of the West, so that Westerners become desperate and dependent, and Socialism can be installed. It's not about saving the planet. It's about advancing the Woke agenda.

But they'll never tell you that. You can see it, though, from what they focus on: the things that don't matter, and the things that won't help, and away from the only things that matter -- China and India. They don't care about the global poor, except as far as they can pretend to be their "champions" by excoriating the West. But when it comes down to it, they do absolutely nothing to help the developing world, or to change global warming.

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:11 am 'Global warming' has nothing to do with 'woke'. There are no virtue-signalling morality credits for accepting scientific facts. I don't know why that guy even mentioned it. Might as well say that evolution is 'woke'. Or gravity is 'woke'. Or non-flat earth is 'woke'.

Wokism is a religion of self-righteous morality and thought policing with VERY rigid rules around conduct and especially language.

Wokeroaches don't care whether a person is racist or not. It's irrelevant. It's not enough to simply not be a racist. You have to be not-a-racist in a very specific way that wokeroaches approve of.

Wokeroaches only care about 'how' others express themselves eg. what words they use and how they use them. It's ALL about surface appearances. There's no depth to it. They don't give a rat's arse about anyone but themselves. It will evolve of course-- and the guy in the video is simply trying to predict where it's heading using evidence, logic and reason. Perhaps people will learn to stand up to these sanctimonious, hypocritical parasites. What form that will take is anyone's guess.

An interesting observation that epitomises just how shallow and moronic wokeroaches are; without exception, those screaming for 'transrights' (whatever that even means) are the same people screaming 'genocide' and 'free palestine'--both fashionable 'causes', so any conflict is conveniently ignored. We all know how tolerant and kind muslim theocracies are towards gay people, but perhaps the connection isn't as illogical as it seems.

The 'trans' movement is about as homophobic as you could get, going as far as promoting mutilation and telling children that they were born with the 'wrong body' and can magically transform from a (possible future) gay person to a straight one of the opposite sex by taking hormones and mutilating their bodies.

Putting aside that your largest position is as a (as is often said these days) “a shill for criminal Zionism” and your perspective is a means with which you fail yourself in being able to see and express the •truth• about how the situation in Israel was created, you seem to have no developed ideas about what type of politics or philosophy could oppose, reverse or contradict what you merely complain about as wokeness.

Your political position about Israel is fraudulent. But though this is so you put up a tremendous front that opposition to the Israeli-Zionism project can only be •anti-Semitic• and your usage here is non-different from the so-called •woke• who have your undies all in a twist. Those wokies use language and condemnatory terms against their enemies in exactly the same way.

So your argument about corrupt use of language is, coming from you, fraudulent as well.

You cannot distinguish and separate categories and therefore express things in rigid binaries — this being a major intellectual failure of our day and one that so many are complicit in (on all sides of the political and social spectrum).

You come here like many others: Titans of skewed, tendentious, partisan positions who seek clashes with other forum Giants and gain something — God only knows what — in what looks like Live Action Role Playing.

My sense is that it is not philosophical or genuine intellectual activity but a form of dependence or addiction to the •juice• that cones from interpersonal, inter-political clashes.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 11:50 am As you can see, there's no easy fix here. We've put ourselves into a situation that really requires a complex solution. That is, assuming we can prevent the chain of automatic climate warming that some climate 'enthusiasts' say we're already in.

It occurred to me to take this •lucid declarative paragraph• and apply it to the strange, difficult and dangerous situation that has recently erupted surrounding •Israel•; the machinations of the US/Israel alliance; the remodeling project in various ME countries; the attitudes now coming up from the floorboards about •Jewish influence•; and a general categorical confusion where people seem not to be able to make heads nor tails of What Goes On and why.

In this situation one takes a tendentious position — an erroneous one often by definition — and runs with it like in a football game hoping to score the decisive and winning touchdown.

As you can see, there's no easy fix here. We've put ourselves into a situation that really requires a complex solution.

Yes! I see!

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:32 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:11 am 'Global warming' has nothing to do with 'woke'.

Your political position about Israel is fraudulent. But though this is so you put up a tremendous front that opposition to the Israeli-Zionism project can only be •anti-Semitic• and your usage here is non-different from the so-called •woke• who have your undies all in a twist. Those wokies use language and condemnatory terms against their enemies in exactly the same way.

Umm...have you not noticed that HAMAS is the darling of the Woke set, these days? All the Woke demonstrations, roadblockings and occupations of college campuses right now are against Israel.

How do you explain that, AJ?

How do you explain that, AJ?

I explain that by stepping back from it and seeing that people seem addicted to strife and the sensations that come of conflict. They seem to be drawn to conflicted situations where they can jump in and participate, and even dress up for the part!

LARPing. You even get to wear a Palestinian shawl and if you could perhaps a scimitar as well.

The concern over the annihilation of infrastructure in Gaza; the rendering of the Strip into an uninhabitable desert; and what John Mearsheimer believes is a preliminary to mass removal of that population — all the concern and opposition to this makes sense and can be validly expressed.

But then it all gets contaminated by entire sets of twisted motivations and the corruption of clear categories. I do not completely understand why.

It is pretty absurd for one to costume oneself as being in solidarity with Hamas, yet on another level a similar false-identification is attempted with the criminality of Israeli occupation and of Zionism.

Which role shall be played today? And how shall the assumed role function to keep one from actually understanding, in realpolitik’s terms, what is going on, why, and where it tends.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 2:07 pm

How do you explain that, AJ?

I explain that by stepping back from it and seeing that people seem addicted to strife and the sensations that come of conflict. They seem to be drawn to conflicted situations where they can jump in and participate, and even dress up for the part!

And yet...they saw fit to skip concern Oct 7th completely, and go so support of HAMAS within hours afterward...before most of the world even knew that a new war had broken out. And they're not a bit divided on the question of who is the hero and who is the villain. It's almost like they had made up their minds before anything even happened...

LARPing. You even get to wear a Palestinian shawl

No doubt this is true for a lot of the lower-level Wokies...and most are that lower-level Wokie. As you can see from countless interviews, most Wokies are stooges...patsies..."useful idiots" for their overlords of the more-informed sets. And for them, a scarf is all they need.

But it's not true of the leaders of the movement. They were onto the cause too, too fast. They had demonstrations going before the measure of the whole tragedy was even known. And afterward, they had zero concern for kidnapped and killed Israelis, and plenty of sympathy for HAMAS.

It is pretty absurd for one to costume oneself as being in solidarity with Hamas, yet on another level a similar false-identification is attempted with the criminality of Israeli occupation and of Zionism.

Anybody who knows history knows Jews were in the Holy Land for at least 1500 years before the Romans evicted them. And anybody who knows history knows early Israeli settlers bought -- not stole -- deserted land from the local Arabs -- a source of high hilarity to the Arabs, who were only too glad to take good money for dry desert they neither owned nor cared about.

But let all that be. The obvious fact is that the Wokies are all on the side of HAMAS. For me, that's obviously an untenable position, morally. HAMAS Is the cause and perpetuator of the war, and the sacrificer of their own civilians on the flaming altar of their hatred of Jews. Yet Wokies love them.

That needs explanation beyond, "Well, they have nice scarves."