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Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:46 pm Was diagnosed with diabetes 4 years ago, but rather than start taking medication I looked ways to reverse the disease. The doctor simply did not know it was possible, but I had heard tales.
Long story short I completely reversed my diabetic state simply by trawling YouTube.
Recently I wanted to share what I had learned to help others by joining a FaceBook page on diabetic advice..
The resistance I got was staggering. It's almost as if people want to stay ill. They define themselves by their disease and seem that they would rather keep taking the meds and avoid simple changes in their diet that would make them better.

I was pretty horrified. People would rather die than think. And you can try to think for them, but so few were willing to listen.

I wouldn’t call that ‘..thinking for others’.

MagsJ wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 11:30 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:46 pm Was diagnosed with diabetes 4 years ago, but rather than start taking medication I looked ways to reverse the disease. The doctor simply did not know it was possible, but I had heard tales.
Long story short I completely reversed my diabetic state simply by trawling YouTube.
Recently I wanted to share what I had learned to help others by joining a FaceBook page on diabetic advice..
The resistance I got was staggering. It's almost as if people want to stay ill. They define themselves by their disease and seem that they would rather keep taking the meds and avoid simple changes in their diet that would make them better.

I was pretty horrified. People would rather die than think. And you can try to think for them, but so few were willing to listen.

I wouldn’t call that ‘..thinking for others’.

Really, what is thinking for others?
And what would you call the above?

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:53 pm Where does service fit into your thoughts? Some folks evolve a philosophy of service and live to serve.

..as long as the 'service' is welcomed/wanted by the recipients.. though independent types would be less welcoming and wanting, of it.

Walker wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:53 pm Other have service thrust upon them, which makes servitude exhausting rather than nourishing.

Most others seem to like/want to tell me what to do, how to think, and what to say.. having to constantly push-back on all that is very tiring, so it’s much easier to just disengage and switch-off.

Is that rude? I don’t care.. it’s definitely rude for others not to respect another’s boundaries or wishes.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:35 am

MagsJ wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:14 pmAre we the last generation/generations to enjoy the taste/smell/feel of freedom as we know it, or can we 'overcome'?

I think there are great freedoms to come...but they won't be 'easy' anymore, like they were in the 80s, 90s, 00s.

What changed that, do you think?

The greatest sin of all, is envy.. destroyer of worlds and civilisations.

Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 8:35 am The political, cultural, societal, religious battles are becoming fiercer, with much more on the line than ever before.

Why are those fuelling all that, making that what life is about, when it isn’t?

Systematic wrote: ↑Thu May 16, 2024 3:49 am

MagsJ wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:14 pm
What will happen over time

..the creation of weak-willed/weak-minded future generations to come, to be manipulated used and abused within the ‘hierarchy of [other people’s] needs/wants/whims’.. as has been evident in the entertainment, corporate, youth-corps, social services, and institutional industries/sectors.

What has happened over time. (You used the wrong tense.)

..thinking for me, I see.

I used ‘will’ for a very specific reason.. the subjugation of others ‘will’ always lead to the same conclusion, as it’s not like this is the first time that this has ever happened, is it.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 11:47 am

MagsJ wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 11:30 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:46 pm Was diagnosed with diabetes 4 years ago, but rather than start taking medication I looked ways to reverse the disease. The doctor simply did not know it was possible, but I had heard tales.
Long story short I completely reversed my diabetic state simply by trawling YouTube.
Recently I wanted to share what I had learned to help others by joining a FaceBook page on diabetic advice..
The resistance I got was staggering. It's almost as if people want to stay ill. They define themselves by their disease and seem that they would rather keep taking the meds and avoid simple changes in their diet that would make them better.

I was pretty horrified. People would rather die than think. And you can try to think for them, but so few were willing to listen.

I wouldn’t call that ‘..thinking for others’.

Really, what is thinking for others?

Thinking for others is literally telling others how they should think, act, and what they should say.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 11:47 am And what would you call the above?

..trying to help others.. giving advice.. make others see sense.. sharing sage advice that works, so trying to change others’ minds, but not thinking for them.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:46 pm Was diagnosed with diabetes 4 years ago, but rather than start taking medication I looked ways to reverse the disease. The doctor simply did not know it was possible, but I had heard tales.
Long story short I completely reversed my diabetic state simply by trawling YouTube.
Recently I wanted to share what I had learned to help others by joining a FaceBook page on diabetic advice..
The resistance I got was staggering. It's almost as if people want to stay ill. They define themselves by their disease and seem that they would rather keep taking the meds and avoid simple changes in their diet that would make them better.

I was pretty horrified. People would rather die than think. And you can try to think for them, but so few were willing to listen.

Must be a pretty pathetic doctor you have. Type 2 diabetes is completely reversible. Often it's just a matter of losing weight. Not rocket science.

MagsJ wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:07 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 11:47 am

MagsJ wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 11:30 am
I wouldn’t call that ‘..thinking for others’.

Really, what is thinking for others?

Thinking for others is literally telling others how they should think, act, and what they should say.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 11:47 am And what would you call the above?

..trying to help others.. giving advice.. make others see sense.. sharing sage advice that works, so trying to change others’ minds, but not thinking for them.

I think the distinction between the two is as thin a a cigarette paper, whilst in telling them the best way to move forward with their ailment is tantamount to thinking about the relationship between themselves and their disease in a different way, as without thinking they cannot act.

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:17 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:46 pm Was diagnosed with diabetes 4 years ago, but rather than start taking medication I looked ways to reverse the disease. The doctor simply did not know it was possible, but I had heard tales.
Long story short I completely reversed my diabetic state simply by trawling YouTube.
Recently I wanted to share what I had learned to help others by joining a FaceBook page on diabetic advice..
The resistance I got was staggering. It's almost as if people want to stay ill. They define themselves by their disease and seem that they would rather keep taking the meds and avoid simple changes in their diet that would make them better.

I was pretty horrified. People would rather die than think. And you can try to think for them, but so few were willing to listen.

Must be a pretty pathetic doctor you have. Type 2 diabetes is completely reversible. Often it's just a matter of losing weight. Not rocket science.

Ha, if only you would just fuck off?

Most doctors still think that diabetes is caused by obesity and age. Most doctors have little time nor inclination to do science, and their primary response it to follow diagnosis with drug treatments to manage T2D.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 5:50 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:17 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 15, 2024 12:46 pm Was diagnosed with diabetes 4 years ago, but rather than start taking medication I looked ways to reverse the disease. The doctor simply did not know it was possible, but I had heard tales.
Long story short I completely reversed my diabetic state simply by trawling YouTube.
Recently I wanted to share what I had learned to help others by joining a FaceBook page on diabetic advice..
The resistance I got was staggering. It's almost as if people want to stay ill. They define themselves by their disease and seem that they would rather keep taking the meds and avoid simple changes in their diet that would make them better.

I was pretty horrified. People would rather die than think. And you can try to think for them, but so few were willing to listen.

Must be a pretty pathetic doctor you have. Type 2 diabetes is completely reversible. Often it's just a matter of losing weight. Not rocket science.

Ha, if only you would just fuck off?

Most doctors still think that diabetes is caused by obesity and age. Most doctors have little time nor inclination to do science, and their primary response it to follow diagnosis with drug treatments to manage T2D.

I wish you would you nasty little oxygen thief. Type 2 diabetes IS caused by obesity Einstein.

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 6:16 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 5:50 pm

accelafine wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 1:17 pm

Must be a pretty pathetic doctor you have. Type 2 diabetes is completely reversible. Often it's just a matter of losing weight. Not rocket science.

Ha, if only you would just fuck off?

Most doctors still think that diabetes is caused by obesity and age. Most doctors have little time nor inclination to do science, and their primary response it to follow diagnosis with drug treatments to manage T2D.

I wish you would you nasty little oxygen thief. Type 2 diabetes IS caused by obesity Einstein.

No it is not.

Diabetes is caused by the abuse to the system of an excess of refined foods especailly carbohydrates, leading to insulin resistance due to the persistent over stimuation of the pancreas exretion of insulin and the bodies growing rejection as the cells get overloaded with fuels.
Obesity can also be the result of insulin resistence - an excess of refined carbhydrates - since insulin is a storage hormone and can block fat burning and enourage fat deposition.
However there are a good proportion of diabetics who never get fat; fat is not the cause of T2D..

I cite the following books.
2021, Lustig, Robert, Metabolical, Hodder & Stoughton
2013, Lustig, Robert, Fat Chance, Harper Collins.

If you have anything let's hear if, or just fuck off dumb fuck.
Tell us specifically how being fat leads to T2D, give your metablolic reasons.

I don't really give a flying rat's arse because I'm not fat and I don't eat junk food. Obviously if people stop stuffing their faces with refined sugar and carbs then they are going to lose weight.
My original comment was about your thicko docotor being allegedly AMAZED that you had reversed it and that he didn't think it was possible.
You don't appear to have a very good relationship with facts and the truth--on ANY topic.

MagsJ wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 12:39 pm
..thinking for me, I see.

I used ‘will’ for a very specific reason.. the subjugation of others ‘will’ always lead to the same conclusion, as it’s not like this is the first time that this has ever happened, is it.

They seem to have missed a spot. What if democracy is a way to beat the remaining independents into submission? Every election cycle we get to find out whether the people who want to be free win. Or will the submissive people win, punishing us all?