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Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:34 am Since I'm not timeless and the universe isn't timeless, the only timeless truth which remains is there is no such thing as a timeless truth. The most timeless truths are generally those which in their default state negate themselves, only seeming timeless in their longevity.

Timeless truth doesn't need a timeless mouth to speak it as proof of discovery. Timeless truth can remain undiscovered, since there's no need that it MUST be discovered, until there is. Even then, the discoverer must relinquish his or her grip on conceptions held dear and proven false by the timeless truth discovered, or else the timeless truth denied has only the utility of nagging one into doubts and goes by the name of something like ... agnosticism.

The question is, once discovered must the timeless truth be spoken or affect action in order to exist as other than as a rattle in the noggin? In the world of science, that confinement to the noggin really wouldn't give it any objective validity now, does it.

Timeless truth:

"The answser you seek, may not be the answer you seek."
- Walker

(Your turn to do other than attempt negations as an assumed, qualified inspector.)

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 3:50 pm
that is what counts... as least for me.... what about you?

Kropotkin

Saying ain't doing.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:54 pm A truth is a thing that is a positive relationship between the state of affairs as it is and the description of the state of affairs.
THe degree to which those things are in agrement the more "truthful" it is.

GIven that truth requires tow things. A situation to be observable and an observer. This is a temporal requirement and so the idea that there could be such a thing as a "timeless truth" is false.

Who does the towing, the observed or the observer? Or, is the dichotomy a false assumption, as might be an assumption to correct your spelling?

(Did I just speak truth according to the rules of correlation that were discovered and expressed by you?)

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 4:47 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 11:21 am

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:08 am - Eternal truth means to be ever-present. As Sri Ramana Maharshi said to Sri H.L. Poonja, of what use is a God that comes and goes?

..and one might say back to Poonja, since when should God be required to be always utiltarian?

Since when should God be required to always be useless?

Nobody Answers: When one replaces God with The State ... for whatever reason. Then, cause and utility are whatever The State declares, but pay attention because The State is fickle and determines your tickle.

Timeless question:

Is "always," timeless?

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:37 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:34 am Since I'm not timeless and the universe isn't timeless, the only timeless truth which remains is there is no such thing as a timeless truth. The most timeless truths are generally those which in their default state negate themselves, only seeming timeless in their longevity.

"All I know for sure is, I am. All else is inference."
- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

That's a timeless truth that applies to everyone.

Except when your time is up.

Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:10 am

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:37 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:34 am Since I'm not timeless and the universe isn't timeless, the only timeless truth which remains is there is no such thing as a timeless truth. The most timeless truths are generally those which in their default state negate themselves, only seeming timeless in their longevity.

"All I know for sure is, I am. All else is inference."
- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

That's a timeless truth that applies to everyone.

Except when your time is up.

Prove it.

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:59 pm .......
without any big ''eternal, timeless'' truths to live by, we have just smaller
personal values in which we hold as guides to our personal life... holding
to small, personal values, as a ''way of life''.. not big dramatic eternal
truths... but small personal truths....

There are no eternal timeless truths.

Note this thread:
There are Two Senses of Truth
viewtopic.php?t=42081

What is critical is how humans can translate the human-based FRSC truths into utilities that can contribute to the positive and optimal well-being and flourishing of the individual[s] and humanity.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:20 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:59 pm .......
without any big ''eternal, timeless'' truths to live by, we have just smaller
personal values in which we hold as guides to our personal life... holding
to small, personal values, as a ''way of life''.. not big dramatic eternal
truths... but small personal truths....

There are no eternal timeless truths.

Note this thread:
There are Two Senses of Truth
viewtopic.php?t=42081

What is critical is how humans can translate the human-based FRSC truths into utilities that can contribute to the positive and optimal well-being and flourishing of the individual[s] and humanity.

I'll have a bargain bucket with fries and a coke, while you're here, VA.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:12 am

Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:10 am

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:37 am
"All I know for sure is, I am. All else is inference."
- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

That's a timeless truth that applies to everyone.

Except when your time is up.

Prove it.

“Your body, the society, the forest, and the ways are all in you; you are not in them. You are the body also, but not this body exclusively. If you remain as your pure Self, the body and its movements need not affect you.” – Sri Ramana Maharshi


Commentary: Timeless because this is the nature of being a human. If you are in them rather than not in them, you are a machine in the world.

Peter Kropotkin:
without any big ''eternal, timeless'' truths to live by, we have just smaller
personal values in which we hold as guides to our personal life... holding
to small, personal values, as a ''way of life''.. not big dramatic eternal
truths... but small personal truths....
[/quote]

Veritas A: There are no eternal timeless truths.
Note this thread:
There are Two Senses of Truth
viewtopic.php?t=42081

K: a point which I make....

VA: What is critical is how humans can translate the human-based FRSC truths into utilities that can contribute to the positive and optimal well-being and flourishing of the individual[s] and humanity.

K: the question arises, what are the ''utilities that can contribute to the positive
and optimal well-being and flourishing of the individual and humanity?

how does one ''know'' that those attributes or utilities are actually

''contributing to the positive and optimal well-being and flourishing of
the individual and humanity?''

what criteria does one use to understand the attributes/utilities one
needs to make a positive contribution to the one/individual
or the state/society?

Kropotkin