Creation - Evolution

[Walker]

Does not evolution suggest a particular type of change, and not all change?

[Atla]

What a Truly weak claim to make; ' Some matter in the human head is what 'we' call 'intent' '.

Who cares what some people only call some thing? Do you have any proof that lol 'some matter', only within the human head, 'has intent' or not?

If you do not, then, again, who cares what just 'some of you' 'call intent'?

Also, of course, if 'some of you' call 'some matter, in the human head, 'intent', then obviously I could never prove otherwise. Oh, and by the way, I would never have even considered to, let alone wanted to.

Which means if you want to 'call some thing' by one or another name/s, then by all means 'just do it'.

Furthermore, how you are 'trying to' deflect, and twist and distort things around here, once again, is not going unnoticed, at all.



And this is a PRIME example of WHY these adult human beings took so, so long to 'move forward'.

1. I have never said absolutely anything like this, and this is proved True from what I have actually said and written in this forum.

2. If you cannot distinguish 'matter', itself, then so be it.


Once again, this one is completely and utterly LOST in regards to what I have said and claimed not just in this thread but also throughout this whole forum.

Who claims that they are a so-called "nondualist" here "atla"?

Lest 'us' 'see' if you will, at least, answer and clarify this question?

The evidence we have shows that only some organisms exhibit behaviours, that we associate with intent. So intent is probably certain configurations of certain matter, found in some organisms but not found in other things like rocks.

Did I really have to type that down? Again, the idea that the whole universe has intent is one of the oldest ideas in the book, and many of us have pondered it including me, are you really so stupid and clueless again that you didn't know that?

But you have to prove it, which you just said you are incapable of. Therefore I've still every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more. Why don't you try harder for once?

you, once again, "atla" have attempted to twist and distort things around here, again because you could not refute anything I actual said, wrote, and meant here. See, what you did here "atla" was to say and write the sentences, 'Unless you can prove that all matter in the universe has intent. Good luck.'

Which had absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with absolutely anything that I said nor wrote here.

So, all you are doing here is just trying to deflect, once again, and in doing so trying to deceive the readers here, once more.

Even in this reply you go on and on about 'intent', which, again, was absolutely nothing that I was talking about at all.

you even, so stupidly, made the remark and comment that I claim I was incapable of proving 'it', which is absolutely False, Wrong, and Incorrect, as well. The amount of times you try to deflect and deceive the readers, the way you have deceive "yourself" is Truly amazing "atla". you speak and write here as though the readers cannot think nor see for "themselves".

Again zero proof for anything. Not terribly unexpexted though. And do we have to also pretend now that your universal evolution goes into the direction of your bright future without any intent involved? It's just infinite luck? You're acting even stupider than usual.

[Harbal]

Does not evolution suggest a particular type of change, and not all change?

I would say yes, it does, good point Walker.

[Age]

Does not evolution suggest a particular type of change, and not all change?

What 'kind of change' does the word 'evolution' invoke in you?

Evolution, itself, does not suggest any particular type of change. People place a 'type of change' when they see or hear the evolution word.

To me, the definition of evolution word is, the gradual development of something; the changing of form.

Now, if when one hears or sees the word 'life', they only envision animals and/or plants alone, for example, then when they see or hear the 'evolution' word, then they might only perceive animal and/or plant life, in relation to evolution, itself.

My view is not so narrow. And, having learned how to look at, see, and/or view all things from a much more open perspective, the, perceived, inconsistencies with the 'classical' and 'quantum' view or scale of things diminished and were removed as well.

Looking at the whole Picture, as It exactly is, shows how the one and only Thing changes in and form, continually-always, whilst gradually developing into something, that is; 'knowing Self'.

Which, by the way, has already occurred with help from, and because of, the continually evolving human being and its human brain, that is; a storage system.

[Age]

The evidence we have shows that only some organisms exhibit behaviours, that we associate with intent. So intent is probably certain configurations of certain matter, found in some organisms but not found in other things like rocks.

Did I really have to type that down? Again, the idea that the whole universe has intent is one of the oldest ideas in the book, and many of us have pondered it including me, are you really so stupid and clueless again that you didn't know that?

But you have to prove it, which you just said you are incapable of. Therefore I've still every reason to view you as just a delusional liar, nothing more. Why don't you try harder for once?

you, once again, "atla" have attempted to twist and distort things around here, again because you could not refute anything I actual said, wrote, and meant here. See, what you did here "atla" was to say and write the sentences, 'Unless you can prove that all matter in the universe has intent. Good luck.'

Which had absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with absolutely anything that I said nor wrote here.

So, all you are doing here is just trying to deflect, once again, and in doing so trying to deceive the readers here, once more.

Even in this reply you go on and on about 'intent', which, again, was absolutely nothing that I was talking about at all.

you even, so stupidly, made the remark and comment that I claim I was incapable of proving 'it', which is absolutely False, Wrong, and Incorrect, as well. The amount of times you try to deflect and deceive the readers, the way you have deceive "yourself" is Truly amazing "atla". you speak and write here as though the readers cannot think nor see for "themselves".

Again zero proof for anything. Not terribly unexpexted though.

Again, attempts at deception.

And do we have to also pretend now that your universal evolution goes into the direction of your bright future without any intent involved?

No. you are absolutely free to think and do absolutely any thing of your choosing.

Also, why are you so held up in and with 'intent' here?

Obviously, I never used that word in the opening post here. And, just as obvious you introduced the 'intent' word as a so-called 'red herring' to try to deflect away from the irrefutable fact that you did not counter nor refute absolutely anything that I actually said, wrote, and meant here.

Which, by the way, is a very strong signal that you cannot even counter nor refute, once again, anything that I have actually said, wrote, and meant here.

It's just infinite luck?

Once again, you make a statement and claim, but with a question mark at the end of it.

Which, by the way, is a signal of one's beliefs and/or presumptions.

Also, and by the way, since it was you alone "atla" who introduced the 'intent' word here, and you alone who seems to be solely focused on the 'intent' word here, let 'us' remind the readers that it is you "atla" who has still not yet answered and clarified, among many others the question, 'Do you want to claim that there are some physical things that 'have intent'?'

So, until you are OPEN and Honest here and just answer and clarify this question, then any talk of 'intent' remains with you alone.

You're acting even stupider than usual.

And that you have failed, once again, to actually refute or counter any of what I have provided here just shows what you are, exactly.

Also, your evil intent to try to fool and deceive the readers here is not going unnoticed.

[Age]

Does not evolution suggest a particular type of change, and not all change?

I would say yes, it does, good point Walker.

So, what 'particular type of change' is invoked within you "harbal" when you see or hear the 'evolution' word?

Also, let us not forget that what is actually happening and occurring here, that is; every thing is continually changing in way, shape, and/or form. And, if this happening and occurring has not yet been provided with a particular word, to denote the continual change of form and/or the continual gradual development of something, or that the 'evolution' word and its definition/s do not cover 'this happening, occurrence and particular type of change', then let us come up with a word for 'this'.

Also, once the Universe is recognized, seen, understood, and known, fully, for what It Truly is, then what I have been alluding to and/or pointing out here will be far better understood anyway.

[Harbal]

Does not evolution suggest a particular type of change, and not all change?

I would say yes, it does, good point Walker.

So, what 'particular type of change' is invoked within you "harbal" when you see or hear the 'evolution' word?

The type of change that would require more effort to describe than I am prepared to provide at the moment.

[Atla]

you, once again, "atla" have attempted to twist and distort things around here, again because you could not refute anything I actual said, wrote, and meant here. See, what you did here "atla" was to say and write the sentences, 'Unless you can prove that all matter in the universe has intent. Good luck.'

Which had absolutely nothing at all whatsoever to do with absolutely anything that I said nor wrote here.

So, all you are doing here is just trying to deflect, once again, and in doing so trying to deceive the readers here, once more.

Even in this reply you go on and on about 'intent', which, again, was absolutely nothing that I was talking about at all.

you even, so stupidly, made the remark and comment that I claim I was incapable of proving 'it', which is absolutely False, Wrong, and Incorrect, as well. The amount of times you try to deflect and deceive the readers, the way you have deceive "yourself" is Truly amazing "atla". you speak and write here as though the readers cannot think nor see for "themselves".

Again zero proof for anything. Not terribly unexpexted though.

Again, attempts at deception.

And do we have to also pretend now that your universal evolution goes into the direction of your bright future without any intent involved?

No. you are absolutely free to think and do absolutely any thing of your choosing.

Also, why are you so held up in and with 'intent' here?

Obviously, I never used that word in the opening post here. And, just as obvious you introduced the 'intent' word as a so-called 'red herring' to try to deflect away from the irrefutable fact that you did not counter nor refute absolutely anything that I actually said, wrote, and meant here.

Which, by the way, is a very strong signal that you cannot even counter nor refute, once again, anything that I have actually said, wrote, and meant here.

It's just infinite luck?

Once again, you make a statement and claim, but with a question mark at the end of it.

Which, by the way, is a signal of one's beliefs and/or presumptions.

Also, and by the way, since it was you alone "atla" who introduced the 'intent' word here, and you alone who seems to be solely focused on the 'intent' word here, let 'us' remind the readers that it is you "atla" who has still not yet answered and clarified, among many others the question, 'Do you want to claim that there are some physical things that 'have intent'?'

So, until you are OPEN and Honest here and just answer and clarify this question, then any talk of 'intent' remains with you alone.

You're acting even stupider than usual.

And that you have failed, once again, to actually refute or counter any of what I have provided here just shows what you are, exactly.

Also, your evil intent to try to fool and deceive the readers here is not going unnoticed.

You are talking about cosmic intent/infinite luck/cosmic magic, or maybe some mental-only god that is orchestrating all this, and you pretend that you aren't. It's glaringly obvious. This is how desperate and dishonest some people were back in the days when this was written.

Also, your evil intent to try to fool and deceive the readers here is not going unnoticed.

That would be you.

[Age]

I would say yes, it does, good point Walker.

So, what 'particular type of change' is invoked within you "harbal" when you see or hear the 'evolution' word?

The type of change that would require more effort to describe than I am prepared to provide at the moment.

Okay, fair enough.

This might be another sign of how when people assume things, and when asked for specific clarification and they actually 'think about it', then what they were assuming may not well be, exactly, what is True and Right.

We will just have to wait, to see.

[Age]

Again zero proof for anything. Not terribly unexpexted though.

Again, attempts at deception.

And do we have to also pretend now that your universal evolution goes into the direction of your bright future without any intent involved?

No. you are absolutely free to think and do absolutely any thing of your choosing.

Also, why are you so held up in and with 'intent' here?

Obviously, I never used that word in the opening post here. And, just as obvious you introduced the 'intent' word as a so-called 'red herring' to try to deflect away from the irrefutable fact that you did not counter nor refute absolutely anything that I actually said, wrote, and meant here.

Which, by the way, is a very strong signal that you cannot even counter nor refute, once again, anything that I have actually said, wrote, and meant here.

It's just infinite luck?

Once again, you make a statement and claim, but with a question mark at the end of it.

Which, by the way, is a signal of one's beliefs and/or presumptions.

Also, and by the way, since it was you alone "atla" who introduced the 'intent' word here, and you alone who seems to be solely focused on the 'intent' word here, let 'us' remind the readers that it is you "atla" who has still not yet answered and clarified, among many others the question, 'Do you want to claim that there are some physical things that 'have intent'?'

So, until you are OPEN and Honest here and just answer and clarify this question, then any talk of 'intent' remains with you alone.

You're acting even stupider than usual.

And that you have failed, once again, to actually refute or counter any of what I have provided here just shows what you are, exactly.

Also, your evil intent to try to fool and deceive the readers here is not going unnoticed.

You are talking about cosmic intent/infinite luck/cosmic magic,

No I was not. And, this can be clearly seen and proved True by the actual words that I have used and presented here.

Also, do not forget that what you presume another is talking about can be absolutely False and Wrong.

I will, once again, suggest to you "atla" to only read the actual words that I use here, and do not presume absolutely any thing at all. That way you will not be so Wrong, as often as you have so far been.

you have a common habit of introducing your own presumptions of what the other is talking about, even when the other has never been talking about what you say and claim they have. This thread is another prime example of you doing this here.

or maybe some mental-only god that is orchestrating all this, and you pretend that you aren't. It's glaringly obvious.

Lol "atla".

If this is what you presume or believe is true, then, please, keep running with this.

you are, once again, proving me absolutely True here.

This is how desperate and dishonest some people were back in the days when this was written.

Why?

What do you presume or believe some people were being 'desperate' and 'dishonest' for, exactly?

Also, your evil intent to try to fool and deceive the readers here is not going unnoticed.

That would be you.

Why?

What do you presume or believe that I have 'evil intent' in regards to, exactly?

Not that you will ever answer and clarify this, nor any of my other, questions here.

[Age]

So, again, to get back to what I actually said and wrote here:

For those that cannot comprehend the irrefutable.

Every action has a reaction.

Every reaction is a new creation.

Every new creation evolves.

Every evolving creation interacts with other creations.

The Universe is, fundamentally, made up of 'matter', and a distance between and around matter. This distance is 'space'.

The action of when matter interacts with itself causes a reaction, and thus a new creation.

This always occurring action/reaction process is how all things/the Universe, Itself, are/is evolving.

The evolving-creation process that the Universe, Itself, is in is eternal.

And, what can be clearly seen and proved True here is that there is absolutely nothing at all about 'intent' absolutely anywhere here. Yet, "atla" had deceived and conned "itself" into seeing and believing that there is 'intent' within these writings and words here.

[Atla]

Again, attempts at deception.



No. you are absolutely free to think and do absolutely any thing of your choosing.

Also, why are you so held up in and with 'intent' here?

Obviously, I never used that word in the opening post here. And, just as obvious you introduced the 'intent' word as a so-called 'red herring' to try to deflect away from the irrefutable fact that you did not counter nor refute absolutely anything that I actually said, wrote, and meant here.

Which, by the way, is a very strong signal that you cannot even counter nor refute, once again, anything that I have actually said, wrote, and meant here.


Once again, you make a statement and claim, but with a question mark at the end of it.

Which, by the way, is a signal of one's beliefs and/or presumptions.

Also, and by the way, since it was you alone "atla" who introduced the 'intent' word here, and you alone who seems to be solely focused on the 'intent' word here, let 'us' remind the readers that it is you "atla" who has still not yet answered and clarified, among many others the question, 'Do you want to claim that there are some physical things that 'have intent'?'

So, until you are OPEN and Honest here and just answer and clarify this question, then any talk of 'intent' remains with you alone.


And that you have failed, once again, to actually refute or counter any of what I have provided here just shows what you are, exactly.

Also, your evil intent to try to fool and deceive the readers here is not going unnoticed.

You are talking about cosmic intent/infinite luck/cosmic magic,

No I was not. And, this can be clearly seen and proved True by the actual words that I have used and presented here.

Also, do not forget that what you presume another is talking about can be absolutely False and Wrong.

I will, once again, suggest to you "atla" to only read the actual words that I use here, and do not presume absolutely any thing at all. That way you will not be so Wrong, as often as you have so far been.

you have a common habit of introducing your own presumptions of what the other is talking about, even when the other has never been talking about what you say and claim they have. This thread is another prime example of you doing this here.

or maybe some mental-only god that is orchestrating all this, and you pretend that you aren't. It's glaringly obvious.

Lol "atla".

If this is what you presume or believe is true, then, please, keep running with this.

you are, once again, proving me absolutely True here.

This is how desperate and dishonest some people were back in the days when this was written.

Why?

What do you presume or believe some people were being 'desperate' and 'dishonest' for, exactly?

Also, your evil intent to try to fool and deceive the readers here is not going unnoticed.

That would be you.

Why?

What do you presume or believe that I have 'evil intent' in regards to, exactly?

Not that you will ever answer and clarify this, nor any of my other, questions here.

Okay but then your creation has nothing to do with creation and your evolution has nothing to do with evolution. In English they are just called cause and effect, causality. So explain why you are using such deceptive words for them?

[Age]

You are talking about cosmic intent/infinite luck/cosmic magic,

No I was not. And, this can be clearly seen and proved True by the actual words that I have used and presented here.

Also, do not forget that what you presume another is talking about can be absolutely False and Wrong.

I will, once again, suggest to you "atla" to only read the actual words that I use here, and do not presume absolutely any thing at all. That way you will not be so Wrong, as often as you have so far been.

you have a common habit of introducing your own presumptions of what the other is talking about, even when the other has never been talking about what you say and claim they have. This thread is another prime example of you doing this here.

or maybe some mental-only god that is orchestrating all this, and you pretend that you aren't. It's glaringly obvious.

Lol "atla".

If this is what you presume or believe is true, then, please, keep running with this.

you are, once again, proving me absolutely True here.

This is how desperate and dishonest some people were back in the days when this was written.

Why?

What do you presume or believe some people were being 'desperate' and 'dishonest' for, exactly?

That would be you.

Why?

What do you presume or believe that I have 'evil intent' in regards to, exactly?

Not that you will ever answer and clarify this, nor any of my other, questions here.

Okay but then your creation has nothing to do with creation and your evolution has nothing to do with evolution.

Really?

Now, not that you ever will but would you like to explain to the readers here why the so-called 'my creation' and 'my evolution' has, supposedly, nothing at all to do with 'creation' and with 'evolution', themselves?

In fact, would you have the courage to even begin to tell the readers here what the actual 'creation' and actual 'evolution' is, exactly?

In English they are just called cause and effect, causality. So explain why you are using such deceptive words for them?

Lol "atla", when and where, exactly, have I ever used, supposed, 'deceptive words' for anything at all?

Also, 'evolution' nor 'creation' are never just called, in any language, 'cause and effect, causality'. Unless, of course, you have some written proof, or sound recorded proof, of and for this somewhere.

Furthermore, that the Universe, Itself, is one Thing that is creating Itself, through and by evolution, itself, continually-always is something that you just do not like to admit and accept. And, especially more so because it was 'I' who said and wrote this.

[Atla]

No I was not. And, this can be clearly seen and proved True by the actual words that I have used and presented here.

Also, do not forget that what you presume another is talking about can be absolutely False and Wrong.

I will, once again, suggest to you "atla" to only read the actual words that I use here, and do not presume absolutely any thing at all. That way you will not be so Wrong, as often as you have so far been.

you have a common habit of introducing your own presumptions of what the other is talking about, even when the other has never been talking about what you say and claim they have. This thread is another prime example of you doing this here.



Lol "atla".

If this is what you presume or believe is true, then, please, keep running with this.

you are, once again, proving me absolutely True here.



Why?

What do you presume or believe some people were being 'desperate' and 'dishonest' for, exactly?


Why?

What do you presume or believe that I have 'evil intent' in regards to, exactly?

Not that you will ever answer and clarify this, nor any of my other, questions here.

Okay but then your creation has nothing to do with creation and your evolution has nothing to do with evolution.

Really?

Now, not that you ever will but would you like to explain to the readers here why the so-called 'my creation' and 'my evolution' has, supposedly, nothing at all to do with 'creation' and with 'evolution', themselves?

In fact, would you have the courage to even begin to tell the readers here what the actual 'creation' and actual 'evolution' is, exactly?

In English they are just called cause and effect, causality. So explain why you are using such deceptive words for them?

Lol "atla", when and where, exactly, have I ever used, supposed, 'deceptive words' for anything at all?

Also, 'evolution' nor 'creation' are never just called, in any language, 'cause and effect, causality'. Unless, of course, you have some written proof, or sound recorded proof, of and for this somewhere.

Furthermore, that the Universe, Itself, is one Thing that is creating Itself, through and by evolution, itself, continually-always is something that you just do not like to admit and accept. And, especially more so because it was 'I' who said and wrote this.

So to summarize, the universe evolves without any intent towards the bright future that you keep telling us about? But it's just cause and effect but it's not cause and effect?

[Harbal]

So, what 'particular type of change' is invoked within you "harbal" when you see or hear the 'evolution' word?

The type of change that would require more effort to describe than I am prepared to provide at the moment.

Okay, fair enough.

This might be another sign of how when people assume things, and when asked for specific clarification and they actually 'think about it', then what they were assuming may not well be, exactly, what is True and Right.

What is the purpose of your speculation about what my comment might be a sign of? Does it help to further clarify or explain the meaning of your opening post?

If not, then what function does it serve, other than being a distraction from the subject at hand?

We will just have to wait, to see.

What use will that knowledge be to us, once we have seen, and will it be of sufficient value to have made it worth waiting for?