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Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:01 pm
by bahman
Walker wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:28 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:11 pm...
Here's a parallel reference to karma enforcement:
viewtopic.php?p=693591#p693591
English is not my first language, so I could understand half of what they were saying!

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:41 pm
by Walker
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:01 pm
Walker wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:28 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:11 pm...
Here's a parallel reference to karma enforcement:
viewtopic.php?p=693591#p693591
English is not my first language, so I could understand half of what they were saying!
Well, I'm not going to transcribe the dialogue, so I guess you’ll have to take my word for it … the scene demonstrates that intent and delusion create and enforce karma.

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:59 pm
by Walker
bahman wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:48 pm I was wondering how Karma is enforced in Buddhism. Is there a deity who is in charge of the calculation of Karma?
Buddhism migrated from India to Tibet where it took on aspects of indiginous beliefs such as the animism of Bon Po. As such, water has the power to calculate karma, because like karma water is naturally self-leveling. This leads to why. Gravity The Greater creates the leveling forces for Water The Lesser. Thus, the earth calculates karma. This is in line with The Buddha's response when asked to name the authority for his knowledge, and his response was to simply touch the earth ... and allow others to fill in the words according to their capacity of understanding.

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:44 pm
by bahman
Walker wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:41 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:01 pm
Walker wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:28 pm
Here's a parallel reference to karma enforcement:
viewtopic.php?p=693591#p693591
English is not my first language, so I could understand half of what they were saying!
Well, I'm not going to transcribe the dialogue, so I guess you’ll have to take my word for it … the scene demonstrates that intent and delusion create and enforce karma.
I see and thanks for the explanation.

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:45 pm
by bahman
Walker wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:59 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:48 pm I was wondering how Karma is enforced in Buddhism. Is there a deity who is in charge of the calculation of Karma?
Buddhism migrated from India to Tibet where it took on aspects of indiginous beliefs such as the animism of Bon Po. As such, water has the power to calculate karma, because like karma water is naturally self-leveling. This leads to why. Gravity The Greater creates the leveling forces for Water The Lesser. Thus, the earth calculates karma. This is in line with The Buddha's response when asked to name the authority for his knowledge, and his response was to simply touch the earth ... and allow others to fill in the words according to their capacity of understanding.
Ok, thanks for the elaboration.

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:57 pm
by Iwannaplato
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:45 pm
Walker wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:59 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:48 pm I was wondering how Karma is enforced in Buddhism. Is there a deity who is in charge of the calculation of Karma?
Buddhism migrated from India to Tibet where it took on aspects of indiginous beliefs such as the animism of Bon Po. As such, water has the power to calculate karma, because like karma water is naturally self-leveling. This leads to why. Gravity The Greater creates the leveling forces for Water The Lesser. Thus, the earth calculates karma. This is in line with The Buddha's response when asked to name the authority for his knowledge, and his response was to simply touch the earth ... and allow others to fill in the words according to their capacity of understanding.
Ok, thanks for the elaboration.
Well, that's one direction Buddhism migrated.

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:01 pm
by Iwannaplato
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:21 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:44 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:10 pm I think that if Karma is true then there must be at least a person in charge of it.
Well, you've got the makings of your own ontology/causality, but it'll be different from Buddhism.
Correct, but Karma looks like magic in the absence of a person who takes care of it.
Well, lots of rather amazing processes look like magic, but may or may not be: The Northern Lights, reef life, eclipses, the homeostasis in a body, entanglement between particles, slime molds solving mazes, plants using quantum processes in photosynthesis and so on. As far as we know all sorts of processes, some unbelievably complex, others less so, manage without a person who takes care of them. In any case, the Buddhists, a rather diverse set of people, tend not to think of it as being run by someone.

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:01 pm
by bahman
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:57 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:45 pm
Walker wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:59 pm
Buddhism migrated from India to Tibet where it took on aspects of indiginous beliefs such as the animism of Bon Po. As such, water has the power to calculate karma, because like karma water is naturally self-leveling. This leads to why. Gravity The Greater creates the leveling forces for Water The Lesser. Thus, the earth calculates karma. This is in line with The Buddha's response when asked to name the authority for his knowledge, and his response was to simply touch the earth ... and allow others to fill in the words according to their capacity of understanding.
Ok, thanks for the elaboration.
Well, that's one direction Buddhism migrated.
What is the other direction?

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:04 pm
by Iwannaplato
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:01 pm What is the other direction?
Directions, plural. It spread, in the period of the map, changing forms and styles, and spread more after the period the maps is covering.

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Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:18 pm
by bahman
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:04 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:01 pm What is the other direction?
Directions, plural. It spread, in the period of the map, changing forms and styles, and spread more after the period the maps is covering.

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Oh, thanks.

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:52 pm
by Sculptor
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:00 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:27 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:48 pm I was wondering how Karma is enforced in Buddhism. Is there a deity who is in charge of the calculation of Karma?
The whole idea is an invention to make people take responsibility for their actions and as an explanation of who people are born unequally- either economically, physically or mentally. As if some sort of cosmic justice would explain why some are cursed with disabilities.
Maybe the cosmic justice is right. How could you disprove it?
I do not have to disprove it.
The person making the claim has to account for it. And answer how it works. Or they are able to show THAT it works.
No one seems to be able to do either thing.
ANyone can make silly claims.
I claim that Brotosauruses were more intelligent than Einstien as they had a large brain in their chest cavity.
Prove me wrong.
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:27 pm I'm nor sure if the Buddhists have a rationale about hwo or what is the cosmic accountant, or by what means such an account is kept.
I agree.

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:18 am
by bahman
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:52 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:00 pm
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:27 pm
The whole idea is an invention to make people take responsibility for their actions and as an explanation of who people are born unequally- either economically, physically or mentally. As if some sort of cosmic justice would explain why some are cursed with disabilities.
Maybe the cosmic justice is right. How could you disprove it?
I do not have to disprove it.
The person making the claim has to account for it. And answer how it works. Or they are able to show THAT it works.
No one seems to be able to do either thing.
ANyone can make silly claims.
I claim that Brotosauruses were more intelligent than Einstien as they had a large brain in their chest cavity.
Prove me wrong.
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:27 pm I'm nor sure if the Buddhists have a rationale about hwo or what is the cosmic accountant, or by what means such an account is kept.
I agree.
OK, I agree.

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2024 10:10 pm
by attofishpi
bahman wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2024 11:18 am
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:52 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:00 pm
Maybe the cosmic justice is right. How could you disprove it?
I do not have to disprove it.
The person making the claim has to account for it. And answer how it works. Or they are able to show THAT it works.
No one seems to be able to do either thing.
ANyone can make silly claims.
I claim that Brotosauruses were more intelligent than Einstien as they had a large brain in their chest cavity.
Prove me wrong.


I agree.
OK, I agree.
Well then, you are both wrong.

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:51 am
by meno_
Can not except larger is not necessarily better

Re: How is the Karma enforced?

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2024 12:57 am
by meno_
Brontosaurus may not qualify to be more evolved whereas they cold quantify for such a claim, in spite of the fact that a derived source of their conscious apprehension is at a incalculable minimum, whereas sentiment beings could not make said claim without regard to their ‘origins’.