The law of non-contradiction

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Atla
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:04 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:00 am One possibility is planck-time, another possibility is that time can be divided infinitely, and so on.

Anyway we can't match that speed so our statements are just approximations.

Duh?
Dumb sophist.

You can divide a line infinitely. That doesn't in any way address the question of how long the line is.

All units-definitions are circular. including the planck-length definition.

The speed of light is defined in terms of time.
Before accusing others of sophism, first make sure to say something relevant yourself.
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:07 am Before accusing others of sophism, first make sure to say something relevant yourself.
I can only explain the relevance of change in infinite dimensionality to you.
I can't understand it for you.

The world's knowledge at your fingertips... Use it.

https://chat.openai.com/share/2e61c0ae- ... 2b276c3d62
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:11 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:07 am Before accusing others of sophism, first make sure to say something relevant yourself.
I can only explain the relevance of change in infinite dimensionality to you.
I can't understand it for you.

The world's knowledge at your fingertips... Use it.

https://chat.openai.com/share/2e61c0ae- ... 2b276c3d62
No you can't explain it, and you also don't know how to use the world's knowledge at your fingertips. An example:

https://chat.openai.com/share/81e3163e- ... f07cb90c47
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:28 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:11 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:07 am Before accusing others of sophism, first make sure to say something relevant yourself.
I can only explain the relevance of change in infinite dimensionality to you.
I can't understand it for you.

The world's knowledge at your fingertips... Use it.

https://chat.openai.com/share/2e61c0ae- ... 2b276c3d62
No you can't explain it, and you also don't know how to use the world's knowledge at your fingertips. An example:

https://chat.openai.com/share/81e3163e- ... f07cb90c47
Idiot-philosopher doesn't understand how deductive reasoning works.

Anything which applies to ALL dimensions necessarily applies to some (4) dimensions also.
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:51 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:28 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:11 am
I can only explain the relevance of change in infinite dimensionality to you.
I can't understand it for you.

The world's knowledge at your fingertips... Use it.

https://chat.openai.com/share/2e61c0ae- ... 2b276c3d62
No you can't explain it, and you also don't know how to use the world's knowledge at your fingertips. An example:

https://chat.openai.com/share/81e3163e- ... f07cb90c47
Idiot-philosopher doesn't understand how deductive reasoning works.

Anything which applies to ALL dimensions necessarily applies to some (4) dimensions also.
Your friend disagrees again

https://chat.openai.com/share/a1af96e3- ... cabe17fdeb
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:53 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:51 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:28 am
No you can't explain it, and you also don't know how to use the world's knowledge at your fingertips. An example:

https://chat.openai.com/share/81e3163e- ... f07cb90c47
Idiot-philosopher doesn't understand how deductive reasoning works.

Anything which applies to ALL dimensions necessarily applies to some (4) dimensions also.
Your friend disagrees again

https://chat.openai.com/share/a1af96e3- ... cabe17fdeb
You are a master at misrepresentation. You excel at the art of intentional misunderstanding.

Congratulations, sophist.
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:58 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:53 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:51 am
Idiot-philosopher doesn't understand how deductive reasoning works.

Anything which applies to ALL dimensions necessarily applies to some (4) dimensions also.
Your friend disagrees again

https://chat.openai.com/share/a1af96e3- ... cabe17fdeb
You are a master at misrepresentation. You excel at the art of intentional misunderstanding.

Congratulations, sophist.
You are treating some branch(es) of mathemathics and the natural world as if they were interchangeable. It's not sophism to point out your sophism.
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:00 am You are treating some branch(es) of mathemathics and the natural as if they were interchangeable. It's not sophism to point out your sophism.
I am treating truth about properties of change which are true in ALL dimensions as being also true in 4 dimensions.

That's how tautologies work. They are true in ALL interpretations. By definition.

Naturally, they are false in ALL misinterpretations. So stop misrepresenting.
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:01 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:00 am You are treating some branch(es) of mathemathics and the natural as if they were interchangeable. It's not sophism to point out your sophism.
I am treating truth about properties of change which are true in ALL dimensions as being also true in 4 dimensions.

That's how tautologies work. They are true in ALL interpretations. By definition.

Naturally, they are false in ALL misinterpretations. So stop misrepresenting.
Mathemathics has nothing to do with change in the natural world.
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:04 am Mathemathics has nothing to do with change in the natural world.
Who said it did?

Change has to do with change in the natural world.

You brought dimensionality (Mathematics) into the dialogue.
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:05 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:04 am Mathemathics has nothing to do with change in the natural world.
Who said it did?

Change has to do with change in the natural world.

You brought dimensionality (Mathematics) into the dialogue.
Lie, you did. I brought in the 4 dimensions of classical physics.
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:05 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:05 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:04 am Mathemathics has nothing to do with change in the natural world.
Who said it did?

Change has to do with change in the natural world.

You brought dimensionality (Mathematics) into the dialogue.
Lie, you did. I brought in the 4 dimensions of classical physics.
And now you are lying about who's lying.

Signature sophist.
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:43 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:31 am Given that the proposition was true at 3am and was also false at 11am at what moment in time does the change from truth to falsehood occur exactly?

How much time did the proposition's transition from true -> false take?

Once you reify "change" and "time" in such a manner then a contradiction is nothing more than the exact point in space or time, the line-in-the-sand where truth becomes falsehood; or falsehood becomes truth.
If you're making a 3-dimensional statement about the 4-dimensional natural world, then you haven't broken the LNC, you're merely being a Skepdick. :roll:
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:07 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:05 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:05 am
Who said it did?

Change has to do with change in the natural world.

You brought dimensionality (Mathematics) into the dialogue.
Lie, you did. I brought in the 4 dimensions of classical physics.
And now you are lying about who's lying.

Signature sophist.
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:43 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 7:31 am Given that the proposition was true at 3am and was also false at 11am at what moment in time does the change from truth to falsehood occur exactly?

How much time did the proposition's transition from true -> false take?

Once you reify "change" and "time" in such a manner then a contradiction is nothing more than the exact point in space or time, the line-in-the-sand where truth becomes falsehood; or falsehood becomes truth.
If you're making a 3-dimensional statement about the 4-dimensional natural world, then you haven't broken the LNC, you're merely being a Skepdick. :roll:
And where exactly were mathemathics and infinite dimensions mentioned there? :)
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:08 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:07 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:05 am
Lie, you did. I brought in the 4 dimensions of classical physics.
And now you are lying about who's lying.

Signature sophist.
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:43 am
If you're making a 3-dimensional statement about the 4-dimensional natural world, then you haven't broken the LNC, you're merely being a Skepdick. :roll:
And where exactly were mathemathics and infinite dimensions mentioned there? :)
And where exactly were mathematics; or ANY dimensions mentioned in my post?

I was talking about change. Change irrespective of dimensionality.
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Re: The law of non-contradiction

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Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:10 am
Atla wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:08 am
Skepdick wrote: Fri Feb 02, 2024 11:07 am
And now you are lying about who's lying.

Signature sophist.

And where exactly were mathemathics and infinite dimensions mentioned there? :)
And where exactly were mathematics; or ANY dimensions mentioned in my post?
Your entire post was a fallacy where you apply a 3-dimensional statement to a 4-dimensional world. Because you're a miserable fuck who wants to feel special by pretending to have refuted the LNC. So again where have I mentioned mathemathics and infinite dimensions?
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