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Re: Progress
Posted: Fri May 02, 2025 10:23 pm
by Age
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 6:02 pm
Alexiev wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 5:48 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 5:39 pm
Progress is adaptation, whether to society or the larger context of nature. Utilitarianism, sometimes, while being adapted to function in society, is at odds with its larger context of nature. Is that what you meant by the roses have thorns? Good analogy, Martin!
I've never liked the fact that American liberals now want to be called "Progressives". "Progress" suggests progressing toward some predetermined goal. "Liberal", on the other hand, suggest generosity and open mindedness. "Progessive" brings to my mind the clomping of Jack boots, marching in perfect unison.
I agree Liberal indicates open to negotiation, while progress is directionless.
Correct me if I am Wrong, here, but the words, 'the clomping of jack boots, marching in perfect unison', were in relation to 'a goal', and thus not in relation to 'directionless' at all, correct?
Re: Progress
Posted: Mon May 05, 2025 8:02 am
by popeye1945
Age wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 10:23 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 6:02 pm
Alexiev wrote: ↑Fri May 02, 2025 5:48 pm
I've never liked the fact that American liberals now want to be called "Progressives". "Progress" suggests progressing toward some predetermined goal. "Liberal", on the other hand, suggest generosity and open mindedness. "Progessive" brings to my mind the clomping of Jack boots, marching in perfect unison.
I agree Liberal indicates open to negotiation, while progress is directionless.
Correct me if I am Wrong, here, but the words, 'the clomping of jack boots, marching in perfect unison', were in relation to 'a goal', and thus not in relation to 'directionless' at all, correct?
Point well taken, thanks for the input!
Re: Progress
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2025 10:22 am
by Martin Peter Clarke
Progress toward theoretical, ideal morality has started to regress globally. It's failed. As always. It fails progressively from the individual on up in cybernetic feedback loops. Always. It can't not. Sustainable, levelling up, third way, economic growth is the only barely feasible way to the mirage of social justice.