What "side" are you on?

[Age]

Let assume for a moment your assessment of everyone here is correct. Everyone here only looks at one side of things and does not look at things through other perspectives.

Yes, one reaction you could have to all this is to post a general, judgmental, negative assessment of everyone - which is what you did here.

My guess is this will not change anything and will actually just go into the mix of conflicts and add a little more irritation, defensiveness, etc.
I could be wrong about that.

You, my friend have the patience of Job.

I admit I was a little curious if your addressing style specifically would be answered in a discussion of style or if it would be responded to in the (yawn) typical contrarian "the sky isn't blue" auto opposition technique.

Obviously, this exercise is an example of the "the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior" advice.

I applaud your attempt though. Kudos to you.

Well, thank you. I don't have the patience of Job and I have been very snarky with Age on other occasions. Very.
But I try to let my moods, and ironically my perspectives, shift when they shift. He's likely not noticed that I have approached a number of issues from different sides, and have often chided people for assuming issues are binary and that you have to pick either one or the other.

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME example of talking ABOUT 'me', RATHER THAN WITH 'me'.

LOL and 'this one's' PRESUMPTION here is, ONCE AGAIN, absolutely False, Wrong, AND Incorrect AGAIN. I have NEVER even THOUGHT that 'you' have ONLY approached EVERY issue FROM "one-side" ONLY. And to ASSUME that I HAD or that I HAD NEVER NOTICED that 'you' DO NOT, is just FOOLISHNESS In the EXTREME. BUT, this is what HAPPENS and OCCURS when 'you', human beings, ASSUME or PRESUME BEFORE 'you' SEEK OUT, GAIN, and OBTAIN ACTUAL CLARITY FIRST. As I KEEP REMINDING 'you', human beings. But, PLEASE FEEL ABSOLUTELY FREE TO NOT LISTEN TO what I SAY and WRITE here.

Also, to me, it is OBVIOUSLY Wrong to think, ASSUME, and especially BELIEVE that ANY 'issue' in philosophical discussions is so-called 'binary'. AND, picking some MADE UP "one-side" OVER "another (MADE UP side" IS a HUGE PART of the reason WHY 'you', human beings, ARE, in the days when this is being written, STILL QUARRELING, BICKERING, 'ARGUING', and FIGHTING OVER 'those issues'.

Which, by the way, have ALL ALREADY BEEN SOLVED, or UNDERSTOOD. Although SOME of 'you' just are NOT YET AWARE of this Fact. BUT, OBVIOUSLY, NOT EVERY one, ALL AT ONCE, COMES-TO-KNOW 'things' at the EXACT SAME time.

'you', posters, here have JUST NOT YET CAUGHT UP, just like 'those people' who had JUST NOT YET CAUGHT UP with the ALREADY KNOWN knowledge ABOUT the earth revolving around the sun.

Also, and by the way, 'those' WITH a MORE OPEN perspective, or LESS "one-sided" perspective, CAME-TO-KNOW the ACTUAL Truth FIRST.

And I know there are other people here who can see things from more than one persepective.

Here we have MORE PROOF of WHEN one MISREADS and/or MISINTERPRETS 'things', and BELIEVES that their MISREADING?MISINTERPRETATION IS TRUE and RIGHT the MORE 'this' LEADS 'them' COMPLETELY ASTRAY to MAKE FURTHER False or Wrong PRESUMPTION/ASSUMPTIONS.

I NEVER SAID NOR even IMPLIED that there ARE 'people' who can NOT SEE 'things' from more than one perspective. YET 'this one' seems to BELIEVE that I HAD.

I REALLY DO RECOMMEND SEEKING OUT and OBTAINING ACTUAL CLARITY BEFORE ABSOLUTELY ANY PRESUMPTION or ASSUMPTION IS EVER MADE. Or, I, at least, SUGGEST TO JUST DO 'this', and then just SEE what ACTUALLY HAPPENS and OCCURS.

But I didn't feel like taking it personally and tried something different.

BUT 'you' STILL MADE ASSUMPTIONS. So, REALLY, NOT that MUCH AT ALL DIFFERENT here AT ALL.

And, well, it went the way it went, but I got a compliment on the side, so all in all I'm pleased.

'you', however, made absolutely NO recognition of the Fact that some of 'your' PRESUMPTIONS, ASSUMPTIONS, or BELIEFS were Wrong AND Incorrect above here.

[Iwannaplato]

Oh, but dear Age, you have had, in the time I've known you, the most consistant perspective on humans in this time of anyone here. You have the most consistant approach to communication, which entails that your perspective on what is valid communication...is just one persepective and anyone reacting negatively to that approach has the problem, not you, in your mind. You have one perspective on what people should be doing here in this forum and in this time. I've seen, for example, Harbal struggle to understand your perspective for pages and pages. And while you softened for a time, I have never seen such a reaching out from you to understand another person's perspective here in any way like that. Yes, you ask questions, but no one outside of you would confuse that with an actual reaching out. And even Harbal had to wade through implicit insults and the one-sided prioritization of your conversational needs and goals. You imply that you are not enmeshed in this time's assumption problems and even that you have no beliefs. Let's say the latter is actually the case, you still manage to LOL condescendingly at the majority of people you meet. Perhaps it's a class thing. I'm sure certain portions of the British upper classes thought they weren't enmeshed in the 'primitive assumptions and perspectives' of the 'lower classes' and that their condescension, the upper classes', was not at all like the more direct expression of emotions of the 'lower classes' in Britain. But playing chess with condescension and us/them attitudes is not superior to playing rugby with them. Neither makes this time a better place.

You want to help humans of this time, but you have this incredible blind spot: you are very unpleasant to deal with. In no way does it come across that you care. You come across as yet another person who thinks they are superior, who thinks he has a noble goal and who looks down on the little people who can't appreciate all his wisdom. Abstract care, another bulldozer personality.

Another roydop or advocate or iambigious.

Another, in interaction here, narcissist.

But, sure, go ahead remind more people . remind me, now - how worthy they are of your condescending lol, all the while telling yourself that everyone you interact with is at fault and you have the secret key to making things better.

Oh, it seems unpleasant to you because you.....
No, Age, not interested. Your distaste for people is palpable in the way you interact. Perhaps you're not aware of what you really get off on.

The supercilious lol will end up reducing suffering and conflict. I'm sure it will. I really am.

[Atla]

Are you referring to ANY one of my assessments here in particular?


Are you here 'trying to' suggest that there are SOME 'things' that ALL of 'you', posters, here do NOT LOOK AT from "one-side" or the "other-side"?

If yes, then 'what', EXACTLY is 'that thing', or 'things'?

Also, I NEVER said that EVERY one only looks at one side of things. I also NEVER said that EVERY one does NOT look at things through other perspectives.

'you', posters, here REALLY DO NEED TO LEARN HOW TO READ ACTUAL WORDS BEFORE 'you' WITHOUT MAKING ANY ASSUMPTIONS AT ALL. As DOING SO can all too EASILY and all too SIMPLY lead 'you' COMPLETELY ASTRAY. As can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVED True here, ONCE MORE.



The thread, itself, does NOTHING. However, what 'you', human beings, DO, individually, with ANY 'thing', is SOLELY up to 'your' CHOICE, ALONE.


LOL
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Here we have ANOTHER COMPLETE and UTTER Wrong ASSUMPTION made, ONCE AGAIN.

Which is just FURTHER PROOF of WHY PRESUMING 'things', BEFORE OBTAIN ACTUAL and FULL CLARIFICATION IS just ANOTHER Wrong 'misbehavior' made by 'you', adult human beings.

By the way, NO 'judgment' WAS MADE, let alone ANY so-called 'negative judgment'.

For example, if I was to SAY, BACK in the days, (when ONLY one human being was SAYING and CLAIMING that 'the earth revolves around the sun), TO 'the people' who SAW or BELIEVED otherwise, 'Can 'you', people, here REALLY STILL NOT YET SEE that 'you' have ALL CHOSEN TO ONLY LOOK AT "one-side" of 'things' and thus are ONLY 'seeing' "one-side" or one perspective of 'things' here?' THEN, there would be, ONCE AGAIN, NO 'judgment' being made, and CERTAINLY NO so-called 'negative judgment' AT ALL.

I am just ASKING a CLARIFYING QUESTION, to OBTAIN and GAIN ACTUAL FULL CLARITY.

Also, if absolutely ANY one thinks or BELIEVES that 'that QUESTION' in those two situations somehow IMPLIES a 'negative behavior', on the part of some here, then WHY does 'that one' SEE 'that misbehavior' as being 'negative'?



BUT, what I SAID, and WROTE, here did NOT 'imply' ANY such 'thing' AT ALL. If, however, 'you' 'inferred' 'that', then 'that' is a completely separate 'thing'.


Is 'this' a REAL ISSUE here. Or, do 'you' think or BELIEVE that 'children' are somehow the CAUSE of 'human warring'. If 'I' SEPARATE, or SPLIT, 'those' who CAUSE 'wars' FROM 'those' who DO NOT and CAN NOT, then is 'this' REALLY AN ISSUE, FOR 'you'?



I do NOT KNOW what this sentence MEANS nor IS REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.


What is, supposedly, presented at a, so-called, 'general level'?




WHY do 'you' USE the 'everyone' word, especially considering the ACTUAL WORD that I had CHOSEN, and USED?

And, WHY do 'you' PRESUME that I have made A 'general negative assessment' here?

If I do POINT OUT and SHOW what a 'group of people' ACTUALLY DO, then HOW and WHY does some PRESUMPTION get MADE that there is some sort of 'negativity' being IMPLIED?


'This PRESUMPTION of 'yours' here "iwannaplato" is Wrong, ONCE AGAIN.

It IS this CONTINUAL PRESUMING and ASSUMING which is WHY it TOOK 'these human beings', BACK in 'those days', SO LONG to PROGRESS and MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS WHERE 'human beings', eventually, DO 'END UP'.


Here we can CLEARLY SEEN HOW FROM one FIRST PRESUMPTION being Wrong LEADS to FURTHER and FURTHER Wrong ASSUMPTIONS. Which HAS COMPLETELY and UTTERLY DETRACTED FROM what WAS being POINTED OUT and SHOWN, in the beginning. Which WAS, LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' FROM "one-side" ONLY IS A Wrong AND Incorrect 'misbehavior'. Just like ASSUMING 'things' BEFORE ACTUAL and FULLY CLARITY IS OBTAINED FIRST IS ANOTHER Wrong AND Incorrect 'misbehavior' of the 'adult human being'.


BUT, absolutely NO 'general abstract blaming judgment of EVERY one here' has EVER been made. Well NOT by 'me' anyway.

But, PLEASE REMEMBER that 'you' are ABSOLUTELY FREE to ASSUME and BELIEVE absolutely ANY 'thing' you like and/or want to.


Now WHY would 'you' ASSUME that 'i' would like 'that' to be less the case?

The Fact IS the MORE 'you' do 'that', then MORE EXAMPLES, and PROOF, of WHY doing 'that' IS A Wrong AND Incorrect 'misbehavior'.


Okay.


1. But it has NEVER been 'I' who USED the 'everyone' word here. ONLY 'you', "iwannaplato", introduced 'that word', here.

2. 'Trying to' RALLY 'a group' of "others" to BANDY WITH 'you', AGAINST "another" is REALLY NOT the BEST WAY to PRODUCE a CONDUCIVE WAY of living in Peace AND Harmony WITH and FOR "others". BUT, if 'you' NEED people ON "your-side" here "iwannaplato", then 'I', for One, will NEVER STOP NOR PREVENT 'you' from GARNISHING SUPPORT here. But, if 'you' would like to 'now' SAY that 'this' is NOT what 'you' are 'trying to' DO here, then are 'you' ABSOLUTELY SURE?

3. Also, 'this thread' is NOT 'aiming' to give a 'general, negative assessment at ANY one here, let alone EVERY one'. So, 'your' ASSUMPTION, and/or BELIEF, here is False, Wrong, AND Incorrect ONCE AGAIN. I WAS and AM just PRESENTING 'assessment/s' FROM 'my perspective'.

4. ONLY through SEEKING OUT and GAINING CLARIFICATION could ANY one of 'you' WORK OUT and FIND OUT, EXACTLY, 'the aim' of 'this thread'.


AGAIN, what can be CLEARLY SEEN here is just HOW LOOKING AT 'things' FROM PREEXISTING ASSUMPTIONS or PRESUMPTIONS can CLOUD or FOG what can BE FURTHER LEARNED and/or SEEN AHEAD.


DIFFERENT, and BETTER, than 'i' FIRST 'thought'.



VERY MUCH SO.



What 'assumption' are 'you' talking ABOUT and REFERRING TO here "iwannaplato"?

There may well be BETTER 'approaches', but 'this one' is SUFFICE, for 'now' anyway.


By LEARNING MORE, in QUICKER 'time', about HOW to COMMUNICATE BETTER WITH 'you', human beings.

BUT, there is ABSOLUTELY RUSH here needed, NOR even wanted. So, 'things' are proceeding along JUST Right, NOW.




There are/were NO 'assumptions' NOR 'beliefs' that I have/had that led 'me' to post here. An 'idea' though is about living in Peace and Harmony, as One.

In case 'you' are STILL NOT YET AWARE I am here, in this forum, to LEARN HOW to BETTER 'communicate' WITH 'you', human beings. Well 'that' and to ACHIEVE what I have SET OUT TO ACHIEVE.


NO, in regards to ASSUMPTIONS and BELIEFS, BECAUSE there are/were NO ASSUMPTIONS NOR BELIEFS.

BUT YES, in regards to OTHER 'things'.



I LEARNED, and thus HAD ALREADY GAINED and OBTAINED, the ANSWER to the QUESTION, 'Who am 'I'?' BEFORE I came into this forum.

I had ALSO LEARNED, and UNDERSTOOD, how the term and phrase "yourself" is an OXYMORON and SELF-CONTRADICTORY term/phrase.


The 'reactions' 'you', people, have provided here have, and are, WORKING, PERFECTLY, FROM 'my perspective', and FOR 'the goal' I have SET here.


WHERE, and WHY, would 'you' have even BEGUN TO OBTAIN the PRESUMPTION and ASSUMPTION that 'the effects' that I would want or that would be 'good' IS NOT OCCURRING and HAPPENING here?

The 'effects' that 'you', responders here, have been PROVIDING, for ALL of 'us' to LOOK AT and SEE has been BETTER than i wanted. In fact ALL of 'your' Honest responses here have been, literally, PERFECT.


Although 'you' CONTINUE TO SAY 'this', and so appear to BELIEVE 'this' to be ABSOLUTELY TRUE, 'you' could NOT BE MORE Wrong, NOR Incorrect, even if 'you' WANTED TO BE.

And, to PROVE just HOW Wrong 'your' VIEW or BELIEF IS here, one just has to LOOK THROUGH MY WORDS here for 'this' to be VERIFIED and CONFIRMED.



BUT, from my perspective it is working PERFECTLY WELL. And, it could be SAID or ARGUED working even BETTER than EXPECTED.



BUT I HAVE NEVER SOUGHT OUT TO MAKE ANY 'CHANGES' here.

ONCE MORE, I am here, in this forum, firstly to LEARN HOW to COMMUNICATE BETTER WITH 'you', human beings.

Secondly, I am USING this forum to HELP in REACHING and ACHIEVING 'the goal', which I have SET.

WHY did 'you' PRESUME that I was HOPING to 'make changes' here, in this forum? What LED 'you' to PRESUME such a 'thing', "iwannaplato"?


'you' appear to be VERY FIXATED ON 'this completely MADE UP VIEW' of 'yours' here.


What can be SEEN here, BETTER 'now', is that 'those people', BACK in 'those days' when this was being written, had a propensity to WANT TO 'CHANGE' "others". And, that 'this' is WHY 'this one' was PRESUMING that 'this' was what I was WANTING TO DO ALSO.

In case ANY one is INTERESTED I am NOT here to 'CHANGE' 'you', posters, here. I am SHOWING and REVEALING the VERY REASONS WHY 'these posters' Truly STEADFASTLY WANTED TO HOLD ONTO 'their' ALREADY OBTAINED and CURRENTLY HELD BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS. JUST LIKE MANY, MANY PREVIOUS 'adult human beings' DID, AS WELL.

The PROPENSITY TO WANT TO CHANGE "others", and SHAPE or FORM 'them' INTO, and WITH, the SAME VIEWS/BELIEFS as "ones' OWN, LEFT 'them' completely BLIND to the Fact that EVERY one IS JUST CONTINUALLY CHANGING ALL OF THE 'TIME', ANYWAY.

CHANGING, either FOR 'good', and the BETTERMENT, or FOR 'bad', and the WORSE, 'these ones' had YET to RECOGNIZE, and SEE.

Or you could choose to be open and look at the "ACTUAL TRUTH": there is no big 'I', humans have their own minds, and perfect communication would only get us a little closer to living in harmony. But you are closed.

BEFORE ANY Truly OPEN person would JUST ACCEPT what 'you' are SAYING and CLAIMING here "atla", I would suggest that 'they' WOULD FIRST SEEK OUT, and ASK 'you' to PROVIDE, what ACTUAL PROOF that 'you' HAVE for;

1. There being NO 'big' NOR One 'I'?

2. That humans have their OWN minds. AND,

3. That PERFECT communication would only get 'us' a LITTLE closer to living in harmony.

But, if ANY one did, then, as 'you' WILL PROVE me ABSOLUTELY True here ONCE AGAIN, 'you' WILL NOT PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY ANY even 'evidence', let alone ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE PROOF AT ALL.

Oh, and by the way, what ACTUAL PROOF have 'you' GOT that 'I' AM CLOSED?

Or, is 'this' ASSUMPTION and/or BELIEF of 'yours' here just ANOTHER ONE based on absolutely NOTHING MORE then 'your' OWN ALREADY PREEXISTING BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS?

But unlike you, others know about the real world and the millions of pages of evidence for what I said - literally almost everything related known to us ever. So they know that the burden of proof is in you. And after years you've still provided exactly none. Good luck

[Iwannaplato]

It's very hard to deal with someone who is so unaware of himself or herself...
Two picks at random....
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1. But it has NEVER been 'I' who USED the 'everyone' word here. ONLY 'you', "iwannaplato", introduced 'that word', here.

Can 'you', posters, here REALLY STILL NOT YET SEE that 'you' have ALL CHOSEN TO ONLY LOOK AT "one-side" of 'things' and thus are ONLY 'seeing' "one-side" or one perspective of 'things' here?

And now I suppose I could expect, if I was interested, some long explanation for how my saying 'everyone' is (somehow) unfairly characterizing a post that says you posters and 'you have all.'

Yeah, Age, it was all in my head, my assumptions.

or

The claim here around change.

BUT I HAVE NEVER SOUGHT OUT TO MAKE ANY 'CHANGES' here.

Now what NEEDS TO CHANGE, for the BETTER, is ALL of the Wrong and the BAD that ALL of 'you', adult human beings, ARE DOING, in the days when this is being written.

In other words you have ABSOLUTELY NO 'intention' of becoming OPEN to being Wrong, NOR to just being OPEN to CHANGE.

When one IS FULLY Truthful, then BECOMING WISER FOLLOWS, EXPONENTIALLY.

'you' WILL SEE IF 'you' do 'it' some time. BUT, 'you' ALSO HAVE TO WANT TO CHANGE, for the better, and NOT necessarily FOR 'you' AT ALL.

note: you HAVE TO want to change. You have to.

Now what NEEDS TO CHANGE, for the BETTER, is ALL of the Wrong and the BAD that ALL of 'you', adult human beings, ARE DOING, in the days when this is being written.

And, if the 'masses of people' WILL REJECT 'me' OUTRIGHT, if MY STYLE does NOT compliment 'them', in the days when this is being written, then GREAT, 'you lot' WILL HAVE PROVIDED the ACTUAL PROOF of WHAT EXACTLY NEEDED, and for a time NEEDS, CHANGING WITHIN 'you', human beings.

And note: all of you. I promise not to use the synonym 'everyone'. You judged all, not everyone.

Here's a pretty much smoking gun version....

Seriously Want to CHANGE, for the BETTER. There is, literally, NO USE in WANTING TO CHANGE, for the WORSE. So, while just being Truly Honest, about one's Wrong doing, and being Truly OPEN,while just ALWAYS, seriously, Wanting to CHANGE, for the BETTER, then that IS 'my recommendation' of H.O.W. ALL of 'you', adult human beings, can BEGIN to IMPROVE 'the world', and thus 'way of life and living', for EVERY one.

Here he is recommending the change and how to change.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:02 am
So, if 'you' REALLY BELIEVE that 'your' life is PERFECT "dontaskme", then 'you' are VERY MUCH SADLY MISTAKEN. There IS quite a LOT MORE 'you' could LEARN and CHANGE, for the better.

He's sad about it. He points out what could be changed. But he doesn't want, he claims, to change anything.

So, then do you have ANY suggestions of HOW to help "others" to CHANGE, for the better, IF 'faults' and/or 'flaws' are NEVER talked about in the way that I am, SUPPOSEDLY, talking about 'them'?

IOW how else can he change others if he does not make observations of their flaws.

And, ONCE the WHY IS KNOWN, then PREVENTING ALL people FROM DOING HARM is THE GOAL.

But I am HERE creating A GOAL of Peace AND Harmony WITH and FOR EVERY one, as One.

And, PART of this process involves EXPLAINING HOW and WHY it IS 'you', adult human beings, who HAVE CREATED, and ARE CREATING, in the days when this is being written, this 'NON PERFECT world', which 'you' ALL LIVE IN, and that children HAVE TO ENDURE WITH-(and)-IN, WAS PARTLY CREATED BECAUSE of adult human beings 'TRYING TO' "justify", "minimize", or "rationalize" their Wrong behaviors.

And so on. That's all not even going back many pages in your time here.

But it's fine with me if it turns out the way you have communicated was misleading and you actually don't want to change things. That's fine. I am not attached to that. I meant it as a charitable accepting of what you had explained. I took you by your words on the subject and my mentioning it was meant to be saying that while I have criticisms of your approach I am not assuming something bad about your intent. If you actually don't mean what you have been saying and implying, that's fine with me.

It's not the key part of my communication with you in my previous posts. The key part is that I don't think your approach is minimizing the 'sides' issue, but rather exacerbating it, though at the individual level. Not us/them, but Age/you all.

You've said somewhere, unless that also was communicated poorly, that you want to learn how to communicate better with 'us' humans.

Given that I don't know what you are actually trying to communicate, it seems, I can only say what you are communicating. And that includes Age/'you all', with Age as superior and a mass of condescension, often in the form of 'LOL' but in other forms also. And then an inability to see the assumption beam in your own eye which adds to the supercilious posturing.

Perhaps you feel like your knowledge of yourself and your communication is finished. And you'll ignore the feedback and continue to communicate in this way. And when the reactions continue to be in the general form they have been, you will continue to blame others implicitly and explicitly. Or perhaps you'll learn something. I have no idea.

The pattern here with you is relatively harmless. But it is similar to patterns in the world, where those with the pattern have some power, that are quite harmful. So, it's interesting to see if holding up a mirror can elicit anything but more of the same.

[Age]

Oh, but dear Age, you have had, in the time I've known you, the most consistant perspective on humans in this time of anyone here.

Thank you.

You have the most consistant approach to communication, which entails that your perspective on what is valid communication...is just one persepective and anyone reacting negatively to that approach has the problem, not you, in your mind.

1. ONCE AGAIN, there is NO 'your mind'.

2. Absolutely ANY one can REACT to the way I approach communication as NEGATIVELY as they like.

3. I wold have NEVER even IMPLIED, let alone EVER SAID, that absolutely ANY one has 'the problem'.

4. Of course MY perspective is just ONE perspective out of the countless OTHER perspectives, which exist.

5. Am I NOT allowed to, or NOT supposed to, give 'my perspective' on 'what is valid communication', to me?

5. Thank you for again saying that I have the most consistent approach, this time 'to communication'.

6. Are you NOT YET AWARE that I am NOT here, in this forum, to have what I want to communicate necessarily understood by 'you', posters, here AT ALL?

Me being A 'writer' here involves me having an intended audience, which then entails a particular approach.

Now, considering that my intended audience is CERTAINLY NOT necessarily 'you', posters, here AT ALL, that 'you', posters, then react negatively to 'my approach of communicating' will NOT necessarily have ANY bearing NOR ANY affect on the way I continue 'to communicate'.

ONCE AGAIN, 'you', people, are NOT MY INTENDED audience. Hopefully, 'this' is BETTER UNDERSTOOD now.

You have one perspective on what people should be doing here in this forum and in this time.

We will now go through 'this' ONCE MORE.

'This' being 'you' have come here WITH A CLAIM. I will now ASK 'you', 'So, what is this, supposed and alleged, 'one perspective', which I SUPPOSEDLY HAVE on what people SHOULD BE DOING, in this forum, and in this time?

And, ONCE MORE, more than likely ABSOLUTELY NO CLARIFICATION will be PROVIDED for 'us' to even LOOK AT, and DISCUSS.

I've seen, for example, Harbal struggle to understand your perspective for pages and pages.

So what?

Is 'this' MY FAULT, SOLELY? OR, is 'this' "harbal's" FAULT, SOLELY? Or, is 'this' BOTH of 'our' FAULTS?

Or, am I DOING 'this', PURPOSELY? Or, is "harbal" doing 'this', PURPOSELY? Or, are 'we' BOTH doing 'this', PURPOSELY?

COULD I BE CAUSING 'this' TO HAPPEN, and OCCUR, to SHOW and REVEAL HOW 'these human beings' BACK in 'those times' just would NOT SEEK OUT, and GAIN, CLARIFICATION, SUFFICIENTLY ENOUGH?

'you' ALSO SAY and WRITE 'this' as though there IS, or WAS, some 'issue' WITH 'this', right?

And while you softened for a time, I have never seen such a reaching out from you to understand another person's perspective here in any way like that.

YES. I AGREE "harbal" IS one of the MOST OPEN people here.

BUT, as can be CLEARLY SEEN "harbal" ALSO reverts BACK TO 'its' OWN PREEXISTING ASSUMPTIONS and/or BELIEFS VERY FAIRLY QUICKLY, AGAIN.

Yes, you ask questions, but no one outside of you would confuse that with an actual reaching out.

What can be SEEN here is that 'these people', BACK THEN, had become SO ACCUSTOMED to NOT ASKING CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, mostly from A FEAR of LOOKING STUPID, and NOT YET knowing some 'thing', that 'they' REALLY COULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHEN one is ASKING Truly OPEN CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.

Oh, and also, 'their' OWN UNKNOWING of what the ACTUAL ANSWERS ARE, was LEADING 'them' to BECOME somewhat FRUSTRATED and/or ANNOYED WITH the CONTINUAL INQUISITIVENESS, ANSWER SEEKING, and QUESTION ASKING I WAS/AM DOING.

Also, IF ALL of 'you', outside of 'me', do NOT CONFUSE my ASKING of QUESTIONS, as just ACTUAL REACHING OUT, for ANSWERS and CLARITY, as 'you' CLAIM here "iwannaplato", then what IS 'it', EXACTLY, that ALL of 'you' PRESUME, ASSUME, and/or BELIEVE my ASKING of QUESTIONS IS, REALLY?

SURELY 'this' CLARIFYING QUESTION would NOT be TOO HARD NOR TOO COMPLEX for ANY of ALL of 'you' TO ANSWER here. As "iwannaplato" CLAIMS that my ASKING QUESTIONS 'I' AM the ONLY one, in Existence, who IS CONFUSED OF, or ABOUT.

And even Harbal had to wade through implicit insults

LOL ONCE AGAIN, the continual ASSUMING done by 'these people', as CLEARLY SHOWN and PROVED by 'this one' ONCE MORE here, continually LET 'them', and LED 'them', FURTHER and FURTHER AWAY from the ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.

I NEVER INTENDED to MAKE ANY 'insult', so there can NOT be ANY, supposed NOR alleged, 'implicit insult' ANYWHERE IN MY WRITINGS, NOR WORDS, here.
I have NEVER even WANTED TO 'insult' ANY one here, EVER, especially "harbal". So, 'your' PRESUMPTION here "iwannoplato" IS JUST False, Wrong, AND Incorrect, AGAIN.

And, IF 'you' EVER SOUGHT OUT CLARIFICATION, FIRST, "iwannaplato", BEFORE 'you' MADE this CLAIM, then 'you' would HAVE ALREADY KNOWN 'this'.

and the one-sided prioritization of your conversational needs and goals.

AND, ONCE MORE, 'Now what ARE 'these, supposed and alleged, so-called "one-sided prioritization of MY conversational NEEDS and GOALS, EXACTLY'?

'you' come up WITH some of the MOST OBSCURE and IMPLIED CLAIMS ABOUT 'me' "iwannaplato", but which ARE SO FAR 'out-there' or 'off-field', as some would say, that even I have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE NOR IDEA as what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that 'you' are talking ABOUT and referring to, EXACTLY.

AND, a REAL ISSUE here IS getting 'you' to EXPLAIN and/or CLARIFY what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that 'you' are even ALLUDING TO.

You imply that you are not enmeshed in this time's assumption problems and even that you have no beliefs.

1. The 'writer' 'implies', while the 'reader' 'infers'. Now, 'you' are the 'reader' of MY WORDS and WRITINGS. So, it is just Truly ILLOGICAL and NONSENSICAL FOR 'you' TO TELL 'me' what I 'imply', in MY OWN WRITINGS and WORDS. PLEASE let 'me' KNOW 'you', AT LEAST, UNDERSTAND 'this'.

2. LOL To me, ANY so-called 'assumption problems' IS, in itself, ANOTHER Truly ILLOGICAL and NONSENSICAL TERM or PHRASE. And, one that I would NEVER USE, NOR even THINK ABOUT, NOR IMAGINE.

3. Is it somehow WRONG, in ANY way, to just SAY, 'I have NO beliefs'? If yes, then HOW and/or WHY, EXACTLY?

Let's say the latter is actually the case, you still manage to LOL condescendingly at the majority of people you meet.

LOL
LOL
LOL

Do 'you' even KNOW WHY I USE those three letters, and what they ACTUALLY MEAN from MY PERSPECTIVE "iwannaplato"?

Now, I will NOT WAIT for 'your ANSWER' BECAUSE I WILL TELL 'you', and INFORM "others", now, what the ACTUAL ANSWER IS, EXACTLY.

The ACTUAL ANSWER IS, 'No'.

And, the REASON WHY 'you' do NOT KNOW "iwannaplato" is, HOPEFULLY, ALREADY BLATANTLY OBVIOUS to 'those' who have been READING MY WORDS in this forum.

ALSO, 'your' PRESUMPTION and CLAIM ABOUT 'condescendingly' could NOT be ANY FURTHER FROM the ACTUAL Truth of 'things' here.

Which is JUST MORE PROOF of HOW and WHY PRESUMING and ASSUMING 'things' BEFORE CLARITY IS OBTAINED CAN and DOES LEAD one COMPLETELY ASTRAY, and UTTERLY LOST and CONFUSED. As SHOWN and PROVED here, ONCE AGAIN, and ONCE MORE.

Perhaps it's a class thing. I'm sure certain portions of the British upper classes thought they weren't enmeshed in the 'primitive assumptions and perspectives' of the 'lower classes' and that their condescension, the upper classes', was not at all like the more direct expression of emotions of the 'lower classes' in Britain. But playing chess with condescension and us/them attitudes is not superior to playing rugby with them. Neither makes this time a better place.

Okay. If 'you' are SURE of 'these things', then that is Truly OKAY with and by 'me'.

You want to help humans of this time,

EVEN 'this' ASSUMPTION and CLAIM could NOT be MORE FURTHER AWAY FROM the ACTUAL Truth of 'things' here.

To me, it would be ABSOLUTELY GREAT if 'you', human beings, in the 'times' when this is being written CHANGED and WANTED TO BE HELPED, but I have CERTAINLY HAD ABSOLUTELY NO EXPECTATION AT ALL that I want to SAY WILL HELP 'you', people, AT ALL, in the days and 'times' when this is being written.

My GOAL of being here, in this forum, WAS, and STILL IS, to LEARN FROM 'you', human beings, in the days when this is being written, HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH 'you', human beings, BETTER, so that I can THEN be ABLE TO EXPRESS my VIEWS, MORE CLEARLY and MORE SUCCINCTLY, SOME 'time' LATER to "OTHER" human beings.

I just WANT TO HELP OUT ANY one, AT ANY 'time'. But I CERTAINLY can NOT, and even do NOT, WANT to MAKE absolutely ANY one LISTEN TO me' AND HEAR what I am ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING.

but you have this incredible blind spot: you are very unpleasant to deal with.

And, WHERE and WHAT IS this so-called and alleged 'blind spot', EXACTLY?

And, what IS 'this spot' STOPPING and/or PREVENTING me FROM SEEING, and UNDERSTANDING, here, EXACTLY, "iwannaplato"?

In no way does it come across that you care.

Have 'you' EVER HEARD OF 'tough love'?

You come across as yet another person who thinks they are superior,

IF one JUST KNOWS that 'the earth revolves around the sun', and is JUST WANTING TO EXPRESS that Fact AND Truth, then, OF COURSE, some might have considered that 'that one' THINKS that 'they' are superior.

But, OF COURSE, 'that one' might NOT have been THINKING 'this' AT ALL.

See, what 'readers' or 'listeners' ASSUME or PRESUME is NOT ALWAYS necessarily true NOR right, correct?

Is it Correct that HOW 'one' 'comes across' to "another" is NOT ALWAYS, ACTUALLY, what IS 'the case'?

AND, if 'I' 'come across', to 'you', as 'superior' in ANY way AT ALL, then 'I' APOLOGIZE, PROFUSELY. That was NEVER my intention, and IS CERTAINLY NOT what I WANTED, NOR WANT, AT ALL.

who thinks he has a noble goal and who looks down on the little people who can't appreciate all his wisdom.

BUT I HAVE NEVER EVEN BEGUN to START EXPRESSING ANY of MY, what 'you' REFER TO now as, 'wisdom' here.

So, HOW and WHY could I EVER HAVE CONSIDERED that 'you', human beings, can NOT 'appreciate' what I AM YET TO EXPRESS, and EXPLAIN?

I have ALSO NEVER EVER looked DOWN on 'you', human beings, AT ALL. What MAKES 'you' think or BELIEVE I have "iwannaplato"?

Also, is it WRONG in ANY WAY, for absolutely ANY one, to think that 'the goal' of EVERY one living together IN Peace and IN Harmony, as One, is a 'noble goal'?

But, AGAIN, IF 'I' 'come across' in these ways that I have CERTAINLY NOT INTENDED TO DO, then, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE, PROFUSELY, "iwannaplato".

Abstract care, another bulldozer personality.

Another roydop or advocate or iambigious.

Another, in interaction here, narcissist.

IF 'this' is HOW 'you' VIEW 'me', then JUST MAYBE 'you' have NOT GOTTEN TO KNOW 'I' FULLY, YET.

But, sure, go ahead remind more people . remind me, now - how worthy they are of your condescending lol, all the while telling yourself that everyone you interact with is at fault and you have the secret key to making things better.

IF I have the so-called 'secret key' here, or some knowledge like, for example, that the earth REALLY DOES revolve around the sun, then so be 'it'. That IS just THE WAY 'things' ARE.

Now, 'I' WILL NOT REMIND 'you' NOR "others" of 'the things' you TOLE 'me' to REMIND 'you' OF, BECAUSE 'those things' are OF 'your' OWN MADE UP IMAGINATION, which IS based SOLELY UPON 'your' OWN Assumptions, based on 'your' OWN Past Experiences, ONLY.

I have NO 'condescension' AT ALL in MY 'lol's'. In fact the EXACT OPPOSITE IS True. And,

The ONLY One for being AT FAULT here, for NOT being HEARD, and UNDERSTOOD, IS 'Me'.

As I have SAID, from the outset, I am A USELESS communicator, and SO am here, in this forum, to LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE BETTER, WITH 'you', human beings.

Oh, it seems unpleasant to you because you.....

What is 'this' in REFERENCE TO, EXACTLY?

No, Age, not interested.

That 'you' are NOT INTERESTED "iwannaplato" IS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS, now.

'you' WERE, ONCE INTERESTED, at the START of our INTERCOURSE, here in this forum, but 'you' are NOT ANYMORE, right?

Or, have 'you' NEVER been INTERESTED?

Your distaste for people is palpable in the way you interact.

So, 'you' do NOT just PRESUME that I have some sort of 'distaste' for 'you', people, 'you' ALSO, now, ACTUALLY BELIEVE, SO STRONGLY, that 'your OWN ASSUMED distaste' that I, supposedly, have for 'you, people, can nearly be ACTUALLY FELT, BY 'you', "iwannaplato", right?

What happens if I was to INFORM 'you' that 'your' OWN 'feelings' and 'thinking/believing' here is LEADING 'you' COMPLETELY ASTRAY and OFF THE MARK?

Would 'you' ACCEPT and/or BELIEVE 'this'? Or, have 'you' become SO DISINTERESTED, 'you' would NOT REALLY CARE, and SO NOT LISTEN TO 'this' AT ALL?

Perhaps you're not aware of what you really get off on.

LOL JUST PERHAPS 'you' COULD BE MISSING THE MARK here "iwannaplato"?

Or, is 'this' NOT POSSIBLE, FROM 'your perspective'?

The supercilious lol will end up reducing suffering and conflict. I'm sure it will. I really am.

PLEASE REMEMBER "iwannaplato" 'you' STILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA NOR CLUE, AT ALL, what is MEANT and being REFERRED TO when I WRITE and USE the letters 'l' 'o' 'l'. So, ABSOLUTELY ANY FURTHER PRESUMING and ASSUMING 'you' DO could be JUST AS ABSOLUTELY False, Wrong, Inaccurate, AND Incorrect as 'your' FIRST PRESUMPTIONS and ASSUMPTIONS WERE, and ARE.

Also, WHY would ABSOLUTELY ANY one EVEN BEGIN TO THINK that A so-called 'supercilious lol', or ANY 'lol' for that matter, by itself, could or would REDUCE ANY 'suffering' or 'conflict'?

Let alone being SURE, and REALLY SURE, that 'it' WILL?

[Age]

Or you could choose to be open and look at the "ACTUAL TRUTH": there is no big 'I', humans have their own minds, and perfect communication would only get us a little closer to living in harmony. But you are closed.

BEFORE ANY Truly OPEN person would JUST ACCEPT what 'you' are SAYING and CLAIMING here "atla", I would suggest that 'they' WOULD FIRST SEEK OUT, and ASK 'you' to PROVIDE, what ACTUAL PROOF that 'you' HAVE for;

1. There being NO 'big' NOR One 'I'?

2. That humans have their OWN minds. AND,

3. That PERFECT communication would only get 'us' a LITTLE closer to living in harmony.

But, if ANY one did, then, as 'you' WILL PROVE me ABSOLUTELY True here ONCE AGAIN, 'you' WILL NOT PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY ANY even 'evidence', let alone ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE PROOF AT ALL.

Oh, and by the way, what ACTUAL PROOF have 'you' GOT that 'I' AM CLOSED?

Or, is 'this' ASSUMPTION and/or BELIEF of 'yours' here just ANOTHER ONE based on absolutely NOTHING MORE then 'your' OWN ALREADY PREEXISTING BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS?

But unlike you, others know about the real world and the millions of pages of evidence for what I said - literally almost everything related known to us ever. So they know that the burden of proof is in you. And after years you've still provided exactly none. Good luck

AND, this IS BECAUSE I AM STILL WAITING FOR JUST one of 'you' to SHOW ANY INTEREST and ASK the ACTUAL QUESTIONS that one WANTS ANSWERED, and CLARIFIED.

But, OBVIOUSLY, one HAS TO BECOME and BE Truly CURIOUS and Truly OPEN for 'this' to HAPPEN, FIRST.

[Iwannaplato]

Good luck achieving your goalless clarity, Age.

I wish you well.

[Age]

Or you could choose to be open and look at the "ACTUAL TRUTH": there is no big 'I', humans have their own minds, and perfect communication would only get us a little closer to living in harmony. But you are closed.

BEFORE ANY Truly OPEN person would JUST ACCEPT what 'you' are SAYING and CLAIMING here "atla", I would suggest that 'they' WOULD FIRST SEEK OUT, and ASK 'you' to PROVIDE, what ACTUAL PROOF that 'you' HAVE for;

1. There being NO 'big' NOR One 'I'?

2. That humans have their OWN minds. AND,

3. That PERFECT communication would only get 'us' a LITTLE closer to living in harmony.

But, if ANY one did, then, as 'you' WILL PROVE me ABSOLUTELY True here ONCE AGAIN, 'you' WILL NOT PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY ANY even 'evidence', let alone ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE PROOF AT ALL.

Oh, and by the way, what ACTUAL PROOF have 'you' GOT that 'I' AM CLOSED?

Or, is 'this' ASSUMPTION and/or BELIEF of 'yours' here just ANOTHER ONE based on absolutely NOTHING MORE then 'your' OWN ALREADY PREEXISTING BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS?

But unlike you, others know about the real world and the millions of pages of evidence for what I said

Okay, so are 'you' now ABLE TO INFORM 'us' of what the ACTUAL DIFFERENCE IS, EXACTLY, between what 'I', supposedly, SAY about the 'real world' and what "others", supposedly, KNOW about the 'real world'.

- literally almost everything related known to us ever.

Okay, if 'you' SAY and BELIEVE so.

So they know that the burden of proof is in you.

What is the 'burden of proof' on 'me' in regards TO here, EXACTLY?

And after years you've still provided exactly none. Good luck

This is BECAUSE I AM STILL WAITING FOR 'what' one WANTS PROOF FOR, EXACTLY?

[Age]

Good luck achieving your goalless clarity, Age.

Okay, but 'this' here appears to be ANOTHER VERY ABSURD, NONSENSICAL, and ILLOGICAL ASSUMPTION 'you' have here "iwannaplato".

I wish you well.

Okay, thank you.

[Iwannaplato]

OK, thank you.

[Age]

It's very hard to deal with someone who is so unaware of himself or herself...

It is these types of comments and claims here, which I REALLY LOVE to SEE here.

'This one' finds it VERY HARD to deal with someone who is, supposedly SO UNAWARE of "themself", but yet does NOT even KNOW how to BEGIN to ANSWER the QUESTION, 'Who am 'I'? 'itself'.

The HYPOCRISY and CONTRADICTION here is JUST BLATANTLY BRILLIANT.

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Two picks at random....
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1. But it has NEVER been 'I' who USED the 'everyone' word here. ONLY 'you', "iwannaplato", introduced 'that word', here.

Can 'you', posters, here REALLY STILL NOT YET SEE that 'you' have ALL CHOSEN TO ONLY LOOK AT "one-side" of 'things' and thus are ONLY 'seeing' "one-side" or one perspective of 'things' here?

And now I suppose I could expect, if I was interested, some long explanation for how my saying 'everyone' is (somehow) unfairly characterizing a post that says you posters and 'you have all.'

Now that 'we' FINALLY HAVE SOME 'thing' to LOOK AT, and DISCUSS, here 'we' CAN PROCEED.

Are 'you' REALLY NOT YET AWARE "iwannaplato" that USING the 'ALL' word, AFTER the 'posters' words REFERS TO 'you', posters, ONLY. WHEREAS, the 'everyone' word, OBVIOUSLY, REFERS TO EVERY one. Which is OBVIOUSLY VERY FAR MORE than just 'you' relatively NOTHING number of 'posters' here.

And, WHEN DELVED INTO I SPECIFICALLY CHOSE the 'poster' word here, BECAUSE of the following WORDS that I CHOSE, and USED, AFTER. Which, obviously, the 'ALL' word was REFERRING TO. Or, was that NOT OBVIOUS to 'you', "iwannaplato"?

Yeah, Age, it was all in my head, my assumptions.

As can be CLEARLY SEEN and PROVED IRREFUTABLY True, 'this one' STILL NEVER WAITED FOR ANY ACTUAL CLARIFICATION AT ALL, and PREFERRED to just BELIEVE that 'its' OWN ASSUMPTION/S WERE ABSOLUTELY TRUE, RIGHT, AND CORRECT. Which is Truly HUMOROUS and FUNNY TO WATCH, and PLAY OUT, here.

or

The claim here around change.

BUT I HAVE NEVER SOUGHT OUT TO MAKE ANY 'CHANGES' here.

Now what NEEDS TO CHANGE, for the BETTER, is ALL of the Wrong and the BAD that ALL of 'you', adult human beings, ARE DOING, in the days when this is being written.

BUT, SAYING, 'what NEEDS TO CHANGE', NEVER EVER MEANS that I have SOUGHT OUT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.

JUST LIKE, the OTHER 'things' 'that NEED TO CHANGE', which 'I am ALSO NOT and NEVER HAVE SOUGHT OUT TO MAKE ANY 'CHANGES' of, here'.

Did 'you' EVER SEEK OUT and GAIN and OBTAIN ACTUAL CLARITY, FIRST or EVER, BEFORE 'you' BEGAN TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AGAIN?

By the way, are you EVEN AWARE of what the 'here' word, here, was REFERRING TO, EXACTLY?

If yes, then 'what', EXACTLY?

But if no, then this would MEAN that 'you' are STILL NOT YET ABSOLUTELY CLEAR ON what I was MEANING, and REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

Which OBVIOUSLY then MEANS 'you' ARE and WERE STILL JUST MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, here.

In other words you have ABSOLUTELY NO 'intention' of becoming OPEN to being Wrong, NOR to just being OPEN to CHANGE.

When one IS FULLY Truthful, then BECOMING WISER FOLLOWS, EXPONENTIALLY.

'you' WILL SEE IF 'you' do 'it' some time. BUT, 'you' ALSO HAVE TO WANT TO CHANGE, for the better, and NOT necessarily FOR 'you' AT ALL.

note: you HAVE TO want to change. You have to.

YES, NOTED.

AND, note; that there was NO REFERENCE AT ALL TO 'me' SEEKING TO MAKE 'CHANGES', 'here'.

SAYING, and CLAIMING, that ' 'you' HAVE TO want to change ', even MORE SO MEANS that it IS NOT 'me' SEEKING TO MAKE CHANGES.

The CHANGE of 'you' can and will ONLY HAPPEN IF, and ONLY IF, 'you' REALLY WANT TO CHANGE.

I CERTAINLY can NOT and even do NOT WANT TO, necessarily, MAKE CHANGES here. But, OF COURSE, IF 'you', people, END UP MAKING the CHANGES here, which ARE NEEDED, in regards TO 'the goal', then all the BETTER.

Now what NEEDS TO CHANGE, for the BETTER, is ALL of the Wrong and the BAD that ALL of 'you', adult human beings, ARE DOING, in the days when this is being written.

And, if the 'masses of people' WILL REJECT 'me' OUTRIGHT, if MY STYLE does NOT compliment 'them', in the days when this is being written, then GREAT, 'you lot' WILL HAVE PROVIDED the ACTUAL PROOF of WHAT EXACTLY NEEDED, and for a time NEEDS, CHANGING WITHIN 'you', human beings.

And note: all of you. I promise not to use the synonym 'everyone'. You judged all, not everyone.

The word 'ALL' AFTER the 'you', posters, words REFERRED TO IS and WAS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT to the 'everyone' word, and what the word 'everyone' MEANS and REFERS TO, EXACTLY.

I NEVER USED the 'everyone' word, by the way, BEFORE 'you' DID "iwannaplato". 'you' brought the 'everyone' word IN here.

OBVIOUSLY, 'you' INTRODUCING the 'everyone' word DETRACTED what the 'ALL' word, which I SAID and USED, was REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

Here's a pretty much smoking gun version....

Seriously Want to CHANGE, for the BETTER. There is, literally, NO USE in WANTING TO CHANGE, for the WORSE. So, while just being Truly Honest, about one's Wrong doing, and being Truly OPEN,while just ALWAYS, seriously, Wanting to CHANGE, for the BETTER, then that IS 'my recommendation' of H.O.W. ALL of 'you', adult human beings, can BEGIN to IMPROVE 'the world', and thus 'way of life and living', for EVERY one.

Here he is recommending the change and how to change.

YES, OF COURSE, I AM 'recommending' HOW 'to change', BUT I have NEVER SOUGHT OUT TO MAKE ANY 'CHANGES', 'here'.

SAYING and RECOMMENDING some 'thing' 'here' or 'now' IN NO WAY MEANS that one is SEEKING 'that CHANGE' 'now', NOR 'here'.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:02 am
So, if 'you' REALLY BELIEVE that 'your' life is PERFECT "dontaskme", then 'you' are VERY MUCH SADLY MISTAKEN. There IS quite a LOT MORE 'you' could LEARN and CHANGE, for the better.

He's sad about it.

LOL
LOL
LOL

'your ASSUMPTIONS' are just about NEVER ENDING hey "iwannaplato".

I suggest UNTIL 'you' KNOW who the 'I' word REFERS TO, EXACTLY, in the question, 'Who am 'I'?' then 'you' REFRAIN FROM calling 'me' names, which 'I' AM NOT.

And, HOW, EXACTLY, does 'me' SAYING and CLAIMING that "another" is VERY MUCH SADLY MISTAKEN MEAN that I am 'sad' about 'it'?

He points out what could be changed. But he doesn't want, he claims, to change anything.

LOL
LOL
LOL

Do 'you' PURPOSELY 'TRY TO' DECEIVE and DEFLECT here "iwannaplato"? Or, do 'you' REALLY NOT RECOGNIZE and SEE what 'you' ARE DOING here?

YES, I POINT OUT what COULD BE CHANGED. BUT, I NEVER SOUGHT TO HAVE ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' CHANGED, here. Which, by the way, IS VERY, VERY DIFFERENT FROM NOT WANTING TO CHANGE ANY 'thing'.

So, then do you have ANY suggestions of HOW to help "others" to CHANGE, for the better, IF 'faults' and/or 'flaws' are NEVER talked about in the way that I am, SUPPOSEDLY, talking about 'them'?

IOW how else can he change others if he does not make observations of their flaws.

LOOK, I am NOT SEEKING TO CHANGE "others".

I KNOW, ALREADY, HOW and WHY ALL OF 'you', human beings, ARE the WAY 'you' ARE, and WHY 'it' IS TAKING 'you' SO LONG TO CHANGE, for the BETTER. And, 'this' is EXACTLY HOW 'things' ARE MEANT TO BE. So, I am NOT SEEKING TO CHANGE ANY 'thing' here. I AM here, in this forum, to LEARN HOW TO COMMUNICATE BETTER WITH 'you', human beings.

And, I AM WAITING TO SHOW and REVEAL HOW CHANGE, for the BETTERMENT of and for EVERY one, IS ACTUALLY MADE, and ACHIEVED. But I CERTAINLY AM NOT EXPECTING ANY of 'you', posters, here to be ANY of the ones who come forward Truly CURIOS and OPEN. So, I have NOT SOUGHT OUT TO CHANGE ANY one here.

And, ONCE the WHY IS KNOWN, then PREVENTING ALL people FROM DOING HARM is THE GOAL.

But I am HERE creating A GOAL of Peace AND Harmony WITH and FOR EVERY one, as One.

And, PART of this process involves EXPLAINING HOW and WHY it IS 'you', adult human beings, who HAVE CREATED, and ARE CREATING, in the days when this is being written, this 'NON PERFECT world', which 'you' ALL LIVE IN, and that children HAVE TO ENDURE WITH-(and)-IN, WAS PARTLY CREATED BECAUSE of adult human beings 'TRYING TO' "justify", "minimize", or "rationalize" their Wrong behaviors.

And so on. That's all not even going back many pages in your time here.

And, what IS 'it' that 'you' are WANTING 'us' here to SEE and UNDERSTAND here, EXACTLY, "iwannaplato"?

But it's fine with me if it turns out the way you have communicated was misleading and you actually don't want to change things. That's fine.

Okay, GREAT. But I have NEVER EVER SAID ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' that would IMPLY that I do NOT want to change things.

Also, and just out of CURIOSITY, are 'you' YET AWARE that CHANGE IS HAPPENING, and OCCURRING, HERE-NOW no matter ANY one does, or does NOT do?

I am not attached to that. I meant it as a charitable accepting of what you had explained.

Just so 'you' BECOME AWARE I do NOT KNOW what the 'that' word and the 'it' word are REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.

I took you by your words on the subject and my mentioning it was meant to be saying that while I have criticisms of your approach I am not assuming something bad about your intent.

BUT I NEVER SAID, NOR even THOUGHT, that 'you' were ASSUMING some 'thing' 'bad' about my intent. I was just POINTING OUT, SHOWING, and PROVING those ASSUMPTIONS of 'yours' that were False, Wrong, Inaccurate, or Incorrect.

If you actually don't mean what you have been saying and implying, that's fine with me.

'you' STILL DO NOT GET 'it' "iwannaplato". IF 'you' do NOT SEEK OUT and OBTAIN ACTUAL CLARIFICATION FIRST, then what 'you' SAY I am SAYING and IMPLYING could ALL be IN and FROM 'your' OWN IMAGINATION, ONLY.

Now, I have ALREADY SAID and EXPLAINED your Wrong USAGE of the 'implying' word here, and I WILL ALSO SAY and POINT OUT 'this' AGAIN, what 'you' ASSUME I AM SAYING, by just LOOKING AT the WORDS I USE, will NEVER PROVIDE 'you' WITH what I ACTUALLY AM SAYING, and MEANING.

'you', "iwannaplato", have NO ACTUAL IDEA NOR CLUE as to what I have been ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING, here BECAUSE 'you' have NOT SOUGHT OUT and GAINED and OBTAINED ACTUAL CLARITY ABOUT what I am ACTUALLY SAYING, and MEANING. ONCE AGAIN, 'you' just KEEP PRESUMING and MAKING ASSUMPTIONS here.

It's not the key part of my communication with you in my previous posts. The key part is that I don't think your approach is minimizing the 'sides' issue, but rather exacerbating it, though at the individual level. Not us/them, but Age/you all.

Okay. But REMEMBER 'you' STILL HAVE NO IDEA NOR CLUE as to WHO and WHAT 'you' and "age" ARE, EXACTLY?

You've said somewhere, unless that also was communicated poorly, that you want to learn how to communicate better with 'us' humans.

AGAIN, it is ALWAYS 'me' who 'communicates poorly' WHENEVER I POINT OUT that what I am SAYING, and MEANING, has been MISINTERPRETED and/or NOT PROPERLY UNDERSTOOD, right?

Also, 'we' can ONLY GO ON the ACTUAL WORDS that I SAY, WRITE, and USE here, so if some 'thing' Is 'communicated poorly', from a readers perspective, then could there be ANY POSSIBILITY that the 'poorly communicated message' that one receives could be BECAUSE the reader has NOT OBTAINED the FULL and True MEANING that WAS ACTUALLY INTENDED.

Given that I don't know what you are actually trying to communicate, it seems, I can only say what you are communicating.

LOL BUT 'you' ARE NOT ACTUALLY saying what I AM WANTING TO COMMUNICATE. 'you' are just expressing what 'you' ASSUME, or BELIEVE, I am communicating.

AND, 'you' ARE Right in that 'you' do NOT KNOW what I AM ACTUALLY trying to communicate.

And that includes Age/'you all', with Age as superior and a mass of condescension, often in the form of 'LOL' but in other forms also.

'your' ASSUMPTIONS are ACTUALLY Wrong AND Incorrect here ONCE AGAIN "iwannaplato".

And then an inability to see the assumption beam in your own eye which adds to the supercilious posturing.

I suggest that if 'you' REALLY WANT TO MAKE A CLAIM here, and ESPECIALLY in regards to 'me' and/or 'my words', then 'you' have at least SOME 'thing' to back up and support 'that CLAIM'. Now, WILL 'you' PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' here "iwannoplato"?

If no, then WHY NOT?

Perhaps you feel like your knowledge of yourself and your communication is finished.

If I SAY, like I EXACTLY DO, that I am here, in this forum, to LEARN how to communicate better with 'you', human beings, then HOW and WHY did 'you' come to some sort of CONCLUSION that I perhaps feel like 'my communication is finished'?

ESPECIALLY when what I AM SAYING, and MEANING, IS OBVIOUSLY the EXACT OPPOSITE.

And you'll ignore the feedback and continue to communicate in this way.

IN 'what' way, EXACTLY?

And when the reactions continue to be in the general form they have been,

'This' CONTINUAL CLAIM of 'yours' here "iwannaplato" IS MORE FUNNY ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE ACTUAL SENTENCE and STATEMENT 'you' FOLLOWED 'it' WITH.

you will continue to blame others implicitly and explicitly. Or perhaps you'll learn something. I have no idea.

YES, 'you' are Right here, 'you' REALLY DO HAVE NO IDEA.

The pattern here with you is relatively harmless. But it is similar to patterns in the world, where those with the pattern have some power, that are quite harmful. So, it's interesting to see if holding up a mirror can elicit anything but more of the same.

WHY 'those patterns' are in 'those' WITH 'some power', and that are QUITE HARMFUL, WILL BECOME MORE OBVIOUS, and MUCH MORE BETTER UNDERSTOOD.

BUT, first 'things' FIRST. 'you', "iwannaplato", have just SHOWN and PROVED 'you' STILL have A LONG WAY TO GO YET.

[Iwannaplato]

Are 'you' REALLY NOT YET AWARE "iwannaplato" that USING the 'ALL' word, AFTER the 'posters' words REFERS TO 'you', posters, ONLY. WHEREAS, the 'everyone' word, OBVIOUSLY, REFERS TO EVERY one. Which is OBVIOUSLY VERY FAR MORE than just 'you' relatively NOTHING number of 'posters' here.

Here's what I said....

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 9:41 am
Everyone here only looks at one side of things and does not look at things through other perspectives.

Everyone here. Referring to.....

Can 'you', posters, here[.......all..........

You made an assumption. You had a belief about what I said. It was incorrect.
It will slowly become a full-time job trying to help you understand the way you fail to communicate and do just what you accuse others of doing.

Maybe Harbal will be kind to you again and indulge your burueacratic endlessness.

You may be content with not communicating well or reading well. I believe you when you now assert that you don't want to change anyone here. I think your communication has been poor around this issue, recommending people change, and all, and how, for example, but that's fine. I believe you. I thought you wanted to communicate better given other things you've said. I could be wrong about that also. You could have been communicating poorly about that. I don't know.

But regardless of whether you want to improve or not, you'll have to find someone else to help you. Oh, I don't assume you want help. I have no idea. But if you want it, you'll have to find someone else with more patience than me and more free time.

I wish you well whatever your wants and lacks thereof may be.

[Atla]

BEFORE ANY Truly OPEN person would JUST ACCEPT what 'you' are SAYING and CLAIMING here "atla", I would suggest that 'they' WOULD FIRST SEEK OUT, and ASK 'you' to PROVIDE, what ACTUAL PROOF that 'you' HAVE for;

1. There being NO 'big' NOR One 'I'?

2. That humans have their OWN minds. AND,

3. That PERFECT communication would only get 'us' a LITTLE closer to living in harmony.

But, if ANY one did, then, as 'you' WILL PROVE me ABSOLUTELY True here ONCE AGAIN, 'you' WILL NOT PROVIDE ABSOLUTELY ANY even 'evidence', let alone ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE PROOF AT ALL.

Oh, and by the way, what ACTUAL PROOF have 'you' GOT that 'I' AM CLOSED?

Or, is 'this' ASSUMPTION and/or BELIEF of 'yours' here just ANOTHER ONE based on absolutely NOTHING MORE then 'your' OWN ALREADY PREEXISTING BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS?

But unlike you, others know about the real world and the millions of pages of evidence for what I said

Okay, so are 'you' now ABLE TO INFORM 'us' of what the ACTUAL DIFFERENCE IS, EXACTLY, between what 'I', supposedly, SAY about the 'real world' and what "others", supposedly, KNOW about the 'real world'.

- literally almost everything related known to us ever.

Okay, if 'you' SAY and BELIEVE so.

So they know that the burden of proof is in you.

What is the 'burden of proof' on 'me' in regards TO here, EXACTLY?

And after years you've still provided exactly none. Good luck

This is BECAUSE I AM STILL WAITING FOR 'what' one WANTS PROOF FOR, EXACTLY?

For example: prove that 99%+ of adult human beings are wrong in thinking that they have individual minds.

You do realize that this claim of yours, if correct, would pretty much rewrite almost everything we know, right?

[VVilliam]

There are no "Sides" that are real/cannot be bridged.

[Age]

There are no "Sides" that are real/cannot be bridged.

YES, 'this' is EXACTLY True, Right, Accurate, AND Correct.