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Re: Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:12 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:10 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:08 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:07 pm
I suppose your question made some sense to you, even though it doesn't.
Well, I can go on explaining to you how a very fundamental FSK caused mini-repeats of The Big Bang to happen under Geneva, but I'd probably be wasting my time.
Which has fuck all to do with what I wrote.
I literally gave you a "good reason to think that human-based FSKs have a bearing on objective reality, fundamentally".
We are actively reproducing the fundamentals. Beneath Geneva.
Re: Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:15 pm
by Atla
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:12 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:10 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:08 pm
Well, I can go on explaining to you how a very fundamental FSK caused mini-repeats of The Big Bang to happen under Geneva, but I'd probably be wasting my time.
Which has fuck all to do with what I wrote.
I literally gave you a "good reason to think that human-based FSKs have a bearing on objective reality, fundamentally".
We are actively reproducing the fundamentals. Beneath Geneva.
Word salad.
Re: Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:18 pm
by Skepdick
Atla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:15 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:12 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:10 pm
Which has fuck all to do with what I wrote.
I literally gave you a "good reason to think that human-based FSKs have a bearing on objective reality, fundamentally".
We are actively reproducing the fundamentals. Beneath Geneva.
Word salad.
My "word salad" is your cognitive dissonance.
Re: Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:20 pm
by Age
BECAUSE "veritas aequitas" is just TOO CLOSED to ANSWER my QUESTIONS, this question is ASKED for ANY one "else" TO ANSWER.
Does "veritas aequitas" think or believe that objects like the sun and the moon, for example, are NOT 'real' and/or do NOT 'exist' WITHOUT 'human beings' or WITHOUT a 'mind' existing prior?
I will WAIT to SEE if ANY ANSWERS follow first, before I ASK the next question or questions.
Re: Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:24 pm
by Age
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:12 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:10 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:08 pm
Well, I can go on explaining to you how a very fundamental FSK caused mini-repeats of The Big Bang to happen under Geneva, but I'd probably be wasting my time.
Which has fuck all to do with what I wrote.
I literally gave you a "good reason to think that human-based FSKs have a bearing on objective reality, fundamentally".
We are actively reproducing the fundamentals. Beneath Geneva.
If absolutely ANY one thinks or BELIEVES that ANY human being is 'reproducing' 'the fundamentals of the 'big bang', under "Geneva" or AT ANY OTHER place, then I pretty sure that 'they' WILL BE somewhat VERY DISAPPOINTED when 'they' FIND OUT that 'this' is NOT what IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING and OCCURRING.
Re: Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:33 pm
by Skepdick
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:24 pm
If absolutely ANY one thinks or BELIEVES that ANY human being is 'reproducing' 'the fundamentals of the 'big bang', under "Geneva" or AT ANY OTHER place, then I pretty sure that 'they' WILL BE somewhat VERY DISAPPOINTED when 'they' FIND OUT that 'this' is NOT what IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING and OCCURRING.
No, it's not.
Re: Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:36 pm
by Atla
Fun fact, I like to imagine the Big bang as a series of collisions between ginormous matter and anti-matter black holes.
Re: Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 12:36 am
by Age
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:33 pm
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:24 pm
If absolutely ANY one thinks or BELIEVES that ANY human being is 'reproducing' 'the fundamentals of the 'big bang', under "Geneva" or AT ANY OTHER place, then I pretty sure that 'they' WILL BE somewhat VERY DISAPPOINTED when 'they' FIND OUT that 'this' is NOT what IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING and OCCURRING.
No, it's not.
What are the words, 'No, it's not', here even REFERRING TO, EXACTLY, "skepdick"?
Re: Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:36 am
by Veritas Aequitas
I have explained, there are two sense and views of 'what is objectivity'.
Two Senses and Views of 'Objectivity', i.e.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39326
1. The human-based FSK view.
2. The mind-independent view
The human-based FSK view is the realistic view as exemplified by the objectivity of the human-based scientific FSK.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=39585
The mind-independent view of objectivity and Objective Reality is grounded on an illusion.
I have demonstrated this illusory claim via
many threads, e.g.
Why Philosophical Realism is Illusory
viewtopic.php?t=40167
Hume: No Things-in-Themselves from Is
viewtopic.php?t=40991
Hume: External World is a Fabrication
viewtopic.php?t=40791
Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
viewtopic.php?t=41012
and many other threads.
The idea of an absolute mind-independent Objective Reality as a fundamentalistic ideology is grounded on an illusion driven by an evolutionary default and desperate psychology. To keep insisting on this claim on an ideological basis is delusional.
Re: Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 3:06 pm
by Atla
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:36 am
I have explained, there are two sense and views of 'what is objectivity'.
Two Senses and Views of 'Objectivity', i.e.
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39326
1. The human-based FSK view.
2. The mind-independent view
The human-based FSK view is the realistic view as exemplified by the objectivity of the human-based scientific FSK.
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=39585
The mind-independent view of objectivity and Objective Reality is grounded on an illusion.
I have demonstrated this illusory claim via
many threads, e.g.
Why Philosophical Realism is Illusory
viewtopic.php?t=40167
Hume: No Things-in-Themselves from Is
viewtopic.php?t=40991
Hume: External World is a Fabrication
viewtopic.php?t=40791
Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
viewtopic.php?t=41012
and many other threads.
The idea of an absolute mind-independent Objective Reality as a fundamentalistic ideology is grounded on an illusion driven by an evolutionary default and desperate psychology. To keep insisting on this claim on an ideological basis is delusional.
No, you haven't demonstrated that objective reality is an illusion, as you can't prove a negative. That's just your guess, and my guess is that it's real. I also think that my guess is 10 times better. The end.
Re: Evolution; So Scientific Realism Undermines Itself
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:42 pm
by Advocate
Science is rigor and rigorously testable results provide maximum certainty for all epistemic purposes. That all science is limited in scopesaays nothing about whether it accurately represents reality.