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Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:06 pm
by commonsense
Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:04 pm
the noblest? the elimination of beef...
-Imp
blest???
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:40 pm
by Wizard22
Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:04 pm
the noblest? the elimination of beef...
-Imp
But but, but whatabout da hamburgers?!
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:58 pm
by popeye1945
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:27 am
What are the Noblest human endeavors?
The intentional relief of suffering or the minimization thereof of all living creatures. Nature cares not for the suffering of life, only life itself has that capacity.
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:42 am
by attofishpi
Elephant sacrifice to our Lord Baphomet.
Exploration - such as Ernest Shakleton n Matthew Flinders
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 7:48 am
by Wizard22
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:58 pmThe intentional relief of suffering or the minimization thereof of all living creatures. Nature cares not for the suffering of life, only life itself has that capacity.
Even the suffering of wasps, hornets, termites?
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:45 am
by Constantine
Wasps cannot suffer, I know this from testing. They never scream.
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:01 pm
by Sculptor
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:07 am
Being American?
Any moron can be born stateside - hardly any kind of "endeavour"
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:05 pm
by Sculptor
Impenitent wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:04 pm
the noblest? the elimination of beef...
-Imp
We are evolved to eat meat, and that is exactly what I am going to continue to do.
I would, however, favour grass fed, raised naturally.
There is nothing wrong with this.
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:07 pm
by Sculptor
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:58 pm
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:27 am
What are the Noblest human endeavors?
The intentional relief of suffering or the minimization thereof of all living creatures. Nature cares not for the suffering of life, only life itself has that capacity.
Suffering is part of nature.
TO eliminate suffering would have to include eliminating nature itself.
We can alieviate some suffering by caring for our lifestock and killing them humanely; providing them shelter, and veternary care.
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:43 am
by Wizard22
So that's it...? No Nobility?
I suppose it makes sense, seeing how this Postmodern Era is ending all conclusions of its Western Liberal Enlightenment phase.
No Nobility, nothing in life worth fighting for, nothing in life worth dying for. No Tomorrow. Nothingness, Nihilism.
That said, looks like I'll stand alone in Defiance against you all.
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:45 am
by popeye1945
Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:07 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:58 pm
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:27 am
What are the Noblest human endeavors?
The intentional relief of suffering or the minimization thereof of all living creatures. Nature cares not for the suffering of life, only life itself has that capacity.
Suffering is part of nature.
TO eliminate suffering would have to include eliminating nature itself.
We can alleviate some suffering by caring for our livestock and killing them humanely; providing them shelter, and veterinary care.
Yes, suffering is part of life, life is suffering among other things. I agree with the above, life lives on life, but killing can be done in the more merciful way. Factory farming is the opposite of merciful farming, and I think we pay an unknown price for the inhumanity of it all.
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:50 am
by Wizard22
So are you a vegetarian...and is that Noble?
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:58 am
by Sculptor
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:45 am
Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:07 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:58 pm
The intentional relief of suffering or the minimization thereof of all living creatures. Nature cares not for the suffering of life, only life itself has that capacity.
Suffering is part of nature.
TO eliminate suffering would have to include eliminating nature itself.
We can alleviate some suffering by caring for our livestock and killing them humanely; providing them shelter, and veterinary care.
Yes, suffering is part of life, life is suffering among other things. I agree with the above, life lives on life, but killing can be done in the more merciful way. Factory farming is the opposite of merciful farming, and I think we pay an unknown price for the inhumanity of it all.
Then don't eat that stuff.
Meanwhile I still need my meat to live.
I am very concerned with how the meat is produced.
IN the UK lamb and beef are not made in factories, and animal welfare is protected by laws.
There is a move towards factory meat - expecially chicken and pork, but alternatives are available.
Generally it is in the interests of the farmer to care for their animals well.
I see sheep everyday on my walks and they are happy and healthy. I'm happy to eat them knowing that they have not suffered.
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:59 am
by Sculptor
Wizard22 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:50 am
So are you a vegetarian...and is that Noble?
Duh.
Only you could have made that stupid conclusion.
You are a black and white thinker.
If you don't understand, ask someone else.
Re: What are the Noblest human endeavors?
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:06 pm
by popeye1945
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:58 am
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:45 am
Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:07 pm
Suffering is part of nature.
TO eliminate suffering would have to include eliminating nature itself.
We can alleviate some suffering by caring for our livestock and killing them humanely; providing them shelter, and veterinary care.
Yes, suffering is part of life, life is suffering among other things. I agree with the above, life lives on life, but killing can be done in the more merciful way. Factory farming is the opposite of merciful farming, and I think we pay an unknown price for the inhumanity of it all.
Then don't eat that stuff.
Meanwhile I still need my meat to live.
I am very concerned with how the meat is produced.
IN the UK lamb and beef are not made in factories, and animal welfare is protected by laws.
There is a move towards factory meat - expecially chicken and pork, but alternatives are available.
Generally it is in the interests of the farmer to care for their animals well.
I see sheep everyday on my walks and they are happy and healthy. I'm happy to eat them knowing that they have not suffered.
I am a meat eater as well, and agree with the humane farming of livestock.