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Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:30 pm
by Skepdick
Harbal wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:12 pm Why did you even bother to write that? :?
Ditto.

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:30 pm
by puto
Epistemology is only one branch of philosophy and how knowledge can be validated.

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:05 pm
by Constantine
Toppsy Kretts wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:26 amso??
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Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:50 pm
by Sculptor
Skepdick wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:29 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:29 am Right and wrong are not about knowledge. They are judgements of truth.
If right and wrong are judgments of truth then whare are true and false judgments of?
Try thinking

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:55 pm
by Skepdick
Sculptor wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:50 pm
Skepdick wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:29 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:29 am Right and wrong are not about knowledge. They are judgements of truth.
If right and wrong are judgments of truth then whare are true and false judgments of?
Try thinking
I did. And thinking about thinking. And thinking about thinking about thinking. All the way down.

Which is how I came to realize you are talking bullshit.

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:47 pm
by Toppsy Kretts
Sculptor wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:29 am
Toppsy Kretts wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:26 amso??

Right and wrong are not about knowledge. They are judgements of truth.
and these moral judgements of what is perceived to be right and to be wrong is what is determined to be to the masses "Right" and "Wrong".

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:48 pm
by Toppsy Kretts
Harbal wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:40 am
Skepdick wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:33 am
Harbal wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:27 am

If I remember correctly, Newcomb arose one morning and simply could not decide which shoes to wear. Normally, he would have just put on his favourite pair of shoes, but it was raining and they let in water. His other pair, which he was not nearly so keen on, were quite water tight, however. Newcomb had an important appointment that particular morning, and wanted to look his nicest, so he really needed to wear his best shoes, but he hated having wet feet; hence his paradox. Newcomb's appointment was at his bank, where he urgently needed to secure a loan, and he knew that the manager of the bank was very fastidious regarding personal appearance, so attending the meeting wearing the right shoes was of critical importance. Newcomb struggled with his dilemma over a cup of tea and two very crispy pieces of toast, with butter and marmalade. No sooner had he popped the last morsel of toast into his mouth than the answer came to him in one of those insightful flashes of clarity that are often preceded by a civilised breakfast. Newcomb walked to the bank in his waterproof shoes, and then quickly changed into his best ones before stepping into the manager's office, where he successfully secured his much needed loan. There was an unfortunate twist to the story, however. In his joy and relief at getting his bank loan, Newcomb forgot to change back into his other shoes for the journey home, and arrived back at his residence with very wet feet.

And that, in a nutshell, is Newcomb's paradox.
Sounds like you are intricately familiar with Newcom's life. Were you stalking him?
No, our relationship was platonic. :|
This is comedy gold :D :D

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:50 pm
by Toppsy Kretts
Skepdick wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:29 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:29 am Right and wrong are not about knowledge. They are judgements of truth.
If right and wrong are judgments of truth then whare are true and false judgments of?
Thats what i said

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:51 pm
by Toppsy Kretts
Constantine wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:05 pm
Toppsy Kretts wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:26 amso??
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As in..."if its stupid but works its not stupid"??

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:52 pm
by Toppsy Kretts
Skepdick wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:30 pm
Harbal wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:12 pm Why did you even bother to write that? :?
Ditto.
Take this childs-play elsewhere cmon now.

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:52 pm
by Toppsy Kretts
puto wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:30 pm Epistemology is only one branch of philosophy and how knowledge can be validated.
Your are correct sir, is there a point to this truth? or was you just simply stating such a thing?

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:53 pm
by Sculptor
Toppsy Kretts wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:47 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:29 am
Toppsy Kretts wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:26 amso??

Right and wrong are not about knowledge. They are judgements of truth.
and these moral judgements of what is perceived to be right and to be wrong is what is determined to be to the masses "Right" and "Wrong".
Is this a discussion about moral or knowledge?

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:56 pm
by Toppsy Kretts
Skepdick wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:55 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:50 pm
Skepdick wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 12:29 pm
If right and wrong are judgments of truth then whare are true and false judgments of?
Try thinking
I did. And thinking about thinking. And thinking about thinking about thinking. All the way down.

Which is how I came to realize you are talking bullshit.

i wasn't excepting such a brute response but i am genuinely wheezing in my chair right now :D :D
I do side with Skepdick on this one. You seem like you just want to say something back with no validation. Skepdicks point can be understood on its own by simple viewing of the subject, everything else you state is coming out and perceived as nonsense.

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:57 pm
by Toppsy Kretts
Sculptor wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:53 pm
Toppsy Kretts wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:47 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 11:29 am


Right and wrong are not about knowledge. They are judgements of truth.
and these moral judgements of what is perceived to be right and to be wrong is what is determined to be to the masses "Right" and "Wrong".
Is this a discussion about moral or knowledge?
The aspects of what is right and wrong we can both agree is depending on the nations right? Depending on what environment you are brought up in subjects you to one time of truth than the other right?

Re: if i am right for the wrong kinds of reasons does it still count as knowledge?

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 5:19 pm
by Constantine
Toppsy Kretts wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:51 pm
Constantine wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 1:05 pm
Toppsy Kretts wrote: Thu Aug 03, 2023 6:26 amso??
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As in..."if its stupid but works its not stupid"??
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