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Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 9:09 pm I like how, when iambiguous is confronted with his own posting style, he calls it a wall of words. He's only a small step away from self awareness.
One disappointment followed another, it seems, as the ages progress. How strengthening it might have been if he could actually have believed in love and his love.Ah, love, let us be true
To one another ! for the world, which seems
To lie before us like a land of dreams,
So various, so beautiful, so new,
Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light,
Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain …
Mathew Arnold (1867)
I 'go' with facts, not whatever suits me. It's sad that you are incapable of grasping that simple truth.iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:21 pmHow about this: Decide which meaning is the least "woke" and go with that one.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:08 pm 1] believing that people are motivated purely by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.
2] concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted or appropriate standards in order to achieve them.
Odd that it would have two completely different meanings without actually being a homonym. Meaning 1 is an ability to recognise those who are meaning 2. That's awkward.
Is someone a 'cynic' if they recognise that wars are motivated by money and power and never altruism?
In other words, being cynical, your facts. Not the fake facts that woke morons, idiots and/or imbeciles -- those I call pinheads by the way -- pummel us with.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:45 pmI 'go' with facts, not whatever suits me. It's sad that you are incapable of grasping that simple truth.iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:21 pmHow about this: Decide which meaning is the least "woke" and go with that one.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:08 pm 1] believing that people are motivated purely by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.
2] concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted or appropriate standards in order to achieve them.
Odd that it would have two completely different meanings without actually being a homonym. Meaning 1 is an ability to recognise those who are meaning 2. That's awkward.
Is someone a 'cynic' if they recognise that wars are motivated by money and power and never altruism?
What are you even on about? I'm going with the definitions that were posted on here. If you want to call yourself an imbecile then feel free. You could always say what you 'think' cynical means.iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:56 pmIn other words, being cynical, your facts. Not the fake facts that woke morons, idiots and/or imbeciles -- those I call pinheads by the way -- pummel us with.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:45 pmI 'go' with facts, not whatever suits me. It's sad that you are incapable of grasping that simple truth.iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 8:21 pm
How about this: Decide which meaning is the least "woke" and go with that one.
You know, if pummel isn't being too cynical.
No, apparently, pummel is not being too cynical.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:20 pmWhat are you even on about? I'm going with the definitions that were posted on here. If you want to call yourself an imbecile then feel free. You could always say what you 'think' cynical means.iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:56 pmIn other words, being cynical, your facts. Not the fake facts that woke morons, idiots and/or imbeciles -- those I call pinheads by the way -- pummel us with.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:45 pm
I 'go' with facts, not whatever suits me. It's sad that you are incapable of grasping that simple truth.
You know, if pummel isn't being too cynical.
And your 'point' is? Is that cowardice or just really bad writing? I have no clue what exactly you are trying to say.iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:54 pmNo, apparently, pummel is not being too cynical.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:20 pmWhat are you even on about? I'm going with the definitions that were posted on here. If you want to call yourself an imbecile then feel free. You could always say what you 'think' cynical means.iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 10:56 pm
In other words, being cynical, your facts. Not the fake facts that woke morons, idiots and/or imbeciles -- those I call pinheads by the way -- pummel us with.
You know, if pummel isn't being too cynical.
By definition:
Pummel: "POUND, BEAT"
Though here with words rather than fists.
On the other hand, being cynical, I don't doubt that a few arrogant, autocratic "my way or the highway" bullies here would prefer that it be with fists.
I think you tend to get out of life what you put into it, and that includes one's attitude to things. It's really not all that difficult to be happy.iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:25 pm Let's start with the dictionary:
Cynical:
1] believing that people are motivated purely by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.
2] concerned only with one's own interests and typically disregarding accepted or appropriate standards in order to achieve them.
Now, in today's world, is it or is it not reasonable to be cynical? Well, that depends of course on how your own life has unfolded. And on your current set of circumstances. For some, cynicism makes perfect sense. For others it does not. The part I root existentially in dasein.
One thing, however, seems abundantly clear to some of us: capitalism and cynicism go hand in hand.
As I noted on another thread:
They have a rendition of it where you are as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Broth ... TV_series)You can see [cynicism] play out in the reality TV program Big Brother. It's the only program of this sort that I have ever watched. It's just a fascinating glimpse into the reality of pop culture and capitalism.
For those unfamiliar with it...
A bunch of men and women -- mostly young and attractive of course -- get together in a house and compete for the grand prize...750,000 dollars. Each week they vote someone out. At the same time however they often form these really close relationships, friendships. Some even become lovers. But: in order to win the money, they basically have to continually lie to and to deceive each other...stab each other in the back over and over again. Why? Because in the end it is always about the money!!
Now, given my own numerous exchanges with you, I would venture to speculate as follows: the reason you are not cynical is because you have managed to acquire an intuitive, spiritual "intrinsic self". You "just know" deep down inside you that something is either right or wrong, good or bad, true or false. Then the manner in which, in turn, this is conveyed to you by a Goddess.
Something that [to me] seems embodied profoundly by you, in you, for you. But something that cynics of my ilk don't experience at all. My cynicism is derived from moral nihilism. A frame of mind that, given the life that I've led and the philosophers that I have read, has predisposed me to think as I do. Here and now.
Though, sure, given new experiences, relationships and access to information and knowledge, that might all change. Again, here and now, however, I don't possess [as you do] an intuitive, spiritual Self to anchor my identity to psychologically.
It seems like a failure of imagination. There are many things wrong with society, but we can control our own responses.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 7:47 pmI'm sure there are people like this, catching the, or 'a', zeitgeist.
But I am sure many cynics have become cynics due to experiences they've had and seen others have, perhaps with some knowledge of systemic problems thrown in. Toss in some in-built temperment and you've got a cynic.
It might prevent more pain.Does it really make them feel any happier or fulfilled?
Note: I'm not saying cynicism is right. More like, I think it's more complicated than this.
It's not just following a fad, at least for many, and it's not just a stupid coping strategy. It has benefits. And for some, given their life situations, it might even be a net plus.
Wake the fuck up and pick one:vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2023 12:02 amAnd your 'point' is? Is that cowardice or just really bad writing? I have no clue what exactly you are trying to say.iambiguous wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:54 pmNo, apparently, pummel is not being too cynical.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 03, 2023 11:20 pm
What are you even on about? I'm going with the definitions that were posted on here. If you want to call yourself an imbecile then feel free. You could always say what you 'think' cynical means.
By definition:
Pummel: "POUND, BEAT"
Though here with words rather than fists.
On the other hand, being cynical, I don't doubt that a few arrogant, autocratic "my way or the highway" bullies here would prefer that it be with fists.
