Philosophy Now Forum

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 11:54 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 11:45 am just as in a river no single eddy can be separated from the current’s overall motion.

They say you can't step into the same river twice, but I have found that once is usually more than enough, anyway.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 9:46 pm

Agent Smith wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 1:57 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue May 23, 2023 10:02 am

I have to agree, it is an excellent argument; its only flaw being its utter stupidity.

Cogito it's a good argument, but it depends on what existence means; plus the situation one would havta be in for the argument ta be good is real as real can be. Unfortunately/fortunately, it's a cul de sac, a blind alley, a dead end, which somehow should transport us to a time 400 years back ... in Europe.

And that depends on the definition of 'meaning' and we are left with an indefinite regress that leads us back to nothing.

Agent Smith wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:35 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 9:46 pm

Agent Smith wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 1:57 am

Cogito it's a good argument, but it depends on what existence means; plus the situation one would havta be in for the argument ta be good is real as real can be. Unfortunately/fortunately, it's a cul de sac, a blind alley, a dead end, which somehow should transport us to a time 400 years back ... in Europe.

And that depends on the definition of 'meaning' and we are left with an indefinite regress that leads us back to nothing.

Superb point ya make there mon ami! Our system (sensu latissimo) is long overdue for an overhaul.

commonsense wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:18 pm Word salad? I think so.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:50 pm Ultimate reality is a place of no things, being just ENERGY. The world of objects/things or apparent reality is a biological readout, a biological simulation of a myriad of worldly things, that is only real/reality to life forms.

It is a dreamy moving not quiet thing, only the illusion is the grasp of the ring.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:22 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:50 pm Ultimate reality is a place of no things, being just ENERGY. The world of objects/things or apparent reality is a biological readout, a biological simulation of a myriad of worldly things, that is only real/reality to life forms.

It is a dreamy moving not quiet thing, only the illusion is the grasp of the ring.

"Energy" is just another word for it. You can us "The Tao" or "God" or whatever.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:54 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:22 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:50 pm Ultimate reality is a place of no things, being just ENERGY. The world of objects/things or apparent reality is a biological readout, a biological simulation of a myriad of worldly things, that is only real/reality to life forms.

It is a dreamy moving not quiet thing, only the illusion is the grasp of the ring.

"Energy" is just another word for it. You can us "The Tao" or "God" or whatever.

The Tao is a way of being and God is a religious concept, this is more aligned with understanding the nature of reality. At one time physicists looked for the stuff of which everything was made. only to find that matter is not made of matter, it is all energy.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:28 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:54 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:22 pm

"Energy" is just another word for it. You can us "The Tao" or "God" or whatever.

The Tao is a way of being and God is a religious concept, this is more aligned with understanding the nature of reality. At one time physicists looked for the stuff of which everything was made. only to find that matter is not made of matter, it is all energy.

A way of being is a belief.
A religious concept (belief) guides our actions (A way of being).

Distinctions between the two can be blurred under the premise: "all is one".

commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:04 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:28 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:54 am

The Tao is a way of being and God is a religious concept, this is more aligned with understanding the nature of reality. At one time physicists looked for the stuff of which everything was made. only to find that matter is not made of matter, it is all energy.

A way of being is a belief.
A religious concept (belief) guides our actions (A way of being).

Distinctions between the two can be blurred under the premise: "all is one".

A way of being is a style not a belief.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:01 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:04 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:28 pm

A way of being is a belief.
A religious concept (belief) guides our actions (A way of being).

Distinctions between the two can be blurred under the premise: "all is one".

A way of being is a style not a belief.

If you consider experience/knowledge/meaning belief, yes. Religions, however are systems founded upon a very abstract concepts, and a system of how one should live in the world as discipline/beliefs are also systems. Religions are systems made up of our knowledge and ignorance, which makes ignorance sacred. I really don't think there is any such thing a nothingness, at least as it is commonly understood. Ways of being based on certain beliefs as to the benefits are creative systems, biological extensions and expressions of our humanity.

commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 1:05 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:01 am

commonsense wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2023 2:04 pm

A way of being is a style not a belief.

If you consider experience/knowledge/meaning belief, yes. Religions, however are systems founded upon a very abstract concepts, and a system of how one should live in the world as discipline/beliefs are also systems. Religions are systems made up of our knowledge and ignorance, which makes ignorance sacred. I really don't think there is any such thing a nothingness, at least as it is commonly understood. Ways of being based on certain beliefs as to the benefits are creative systems, biological extensions and expressions of our humanity.

So, you think it’s tautology!

chowkit74 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:54 am Nothingness ≠ No-thingness
No-thingness = Emptiness = Zero (0)
Zero (0) ≠ Nothing
Zero = an expression of equilibrium; e.g. -2+2 = 0. There are entities: -2 and +2, in the math equation.
Empty ≠ Nothing
No-thingness = Frozen energy, just like a frozen star, i.e. a black hole,
Space = an expression for energy.
No space = no energy in vibrating or rotating motions.