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Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:09 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:04 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:43 am

Even if there is a reward of something bright and beautiful great and wonderful waiting for us ''good one's'' after death. We won't be able to share our joy with the living. It's not as if we will be able to tell anyone how happy and blissful we are now that we're in heaven.

Yeah, in some Christians conception of Heaven, it seems rather callous. Just knowing some people you knew are being tortured forever would put a real damper on my harp playing. Even my worst enemy I wouldn't wish that on.

Muhammad in the Qur'an imagines himself gloating in heaven, merrily looking down upon souls being tormented for eternity...

WHEN what 'looking down' ACTUALLY MEANS and REFERS TO, EXACTLY, then 'this' MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:25 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:09 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:04 am Yeah, in some Christians conception of Heaven, it seems rather callous. Just knowing some people you knew are being tortured forever would put a real damper on my harp playing. Even my worst enemy I wouldn't wish that on.

Muhammad in the Qur'an imagines himself gloating in heaven, merrily looking down upon souls being tormented for eternity...

I think that maybe humanities dark past is still playing out today, a time when we were nought but barbarians and reptilians ripping each other's guts out just to survive, and come to think of it, nothing much has changed in evolution really.

Yes, in the days when this was being written adult human beings REALLY did think that 'this Story' or 'this Life' was MEANT TO BE ABOUT 'them', INDIVIDUALLY and PERSONALLY. So, 'they' ACTED and MISBEHAVED like 'this' was ACTUALLY the truth.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:21 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:09 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:04 am Yeah, in some Christians conception of Heaven, it seems rather callous. Just knowing some people you knew are being tortured forever would put a real damper on my harp playing. Even my worst enemy I wouldn't wish that on.

Muhammad in the Qur'an imagines himself gloating in heaven, merrily looking down upon souls being tormented for eternity...

WHEN what 'looking down' ACTUALLY MEANS and REFERS TO, EXACTLY, then 'this' MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

Yes, that's how sentences work. They make sense when you consider what the words mean.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:36 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:21 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:09 am
Muhammad in the Qur'an imagines himself gloating in heaven, merrily looking down upon souls being tormented for eternity...

WHEN what 'looking down' ACTUALLY MEANS and REFERS TO, EXACTLY, then 'this' MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

Yes, that's how sentences work. They make sense when you consider what the words mean.

So, does that sentence make PERFECT SENSE, to you, from the perspective of 'this' can ACTUALLY HAPPEN, in Reality?

If yes, then will you explain HOW, EXACTLY?

If you will NOT, then WHY NOT?

Also, when I consider what the words mean, or what the words are referring to, EXACTLY, in the sentences I read, then some of those sentences do NOT appear to make ANY sense AT ALL.

When you consider what the words mean in the sentences you read, then do ALL of those sentences MAKE SENSE, to you?

If no, then WHY did you write what you did here?

But if yes, then REALLY.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:32 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:36 am

Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:21 am

WHEN what 'looking down' ACTUALLY MEANS and REFERS TO, EXACTLY, then 'this' MAKES PERFECT SENSE.

Yes, that's how sentences work. They make sense when you consider what the words mean.

So, does that sentence make PERFECT SENSE, to you, from the perspective of 'this' can ACTUALLY HAPPEN, in Reality?

If yes, then will you explain HOW, EXACTLY?

If you will NOT, then WHY NOT?

Also, when I consider what the words mean, or what the words are referring to, EXACTLY, in the sentences I read, then some of those sentences do NOT appear to make ANY sense AT ALL.

When you consider what the words mean in the sentences you read, then do ALL of those sentences MAKE SENSE, to you?

If no, then WHY did you write what you did here?

But if yes, then REALLY.

Nobody knows what you're talking about but you my pal. You're in a world of your own

Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:19 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:04 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:43 am

Even if there is a reward of something bright and beautiful great and wonderful waiting for us ''good one's'' after death. We won't be able to share our joy with the living. It's not as if we will be able to tell anyone how happy and blissful we are now that we're in heaven.

Yeah, in some Christians conception of Heaven, it seems rather callous.

Luckily then there is NO so-called "christian conception" here YET that is ACTUALLY True and Right, or even REALLY being even CLOSE to the ACTUAL Truth here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:04 am Just knowing some people you knew are being tortured forever would put a real damper on my harp playing. Even my worst enemy I wouldn't wish that on.

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME example of COMPLETE MISUNDERSTANDING and MISINTERPRETATION of what IS ACTUALLY True AND Right here.

I can understand Iwannaplato's remarks. I have experienced horror and terror worse than my own personal death. The horror was so much that I could not sleep nor speak of it to anyone. I do not wish such experiences on ANYONE. They are more horrible than ANYONE should suffer, at least not someone who has never knowingly murdered another human being. I have murdered no one that I know of. Why am I getting the most horrible visions imaginable? What did I do wrong to deserve them? I have had them before. They have come back to me in different forms many times. But they are always too horrible to think about.

Harbal wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:13 pm There’s God.

Almost sure there’s God.
There’s probably God.
There might be God.
Don’t know if there’s God, but I hope there is.
Don’t know if there’s God, and I don’t mind one way or the other.
Don’t know if there’s God, but I’d rather there weren’t.
Don't think there's God, but I wish there were.
There probably isn’t God.
There almost certainly isn’t God.
99.9% sure there isn’t God.

There’s no God.



So many choices.

You forgot to add "none of the above" as in not thinking about it at all! None of the options make any difference to god whether IT IS or whether IT ain't, it all defaults to flat lining!

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:50 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:32 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:36 am

Yes, that's how sentences work. They make sense when you consider what the words mean.

So, does that sentence make PERFECT SENSE, to you, from the perspective of 'this' can ACTUALLY HAPPEN, in Reality?

If yes, then will you explain HOW, EXACTLY?

If you will NOT, then WHY NOT?

Also, when I consider what the words mean, or what the words are referring to, EXACTLY, in the sentences I read, then some of those sentences do NOT appear to make ANY sense AT ALL.

When you consider what the words mean in the sentences you read, then do ALL of those sentences MAKE SENSE, to you?

If no, then WHY did you write what you did here?

But if yes, then REALLY.

Nobody knows what you're talking about but you my pal. You're in a world of your own

AND, as I have ALREADY been SAYING and CLAIMING NO one KNOWS, FULLY, what "another" is talking ABOUT, UNTIL ACTUAL CLARITY IS OBTAINED, and this can ONLY HAPPEN when CLARIFICATION IS SOUGHT, and WANTED.

Also, are you REALLY NOT YET ABLE TO just ANSWER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS posed, and ASKED TO you? Or, do you REALLY NOT HAVE ABSOLUTELY ANY IDEA NOR CLUE what the above QUESTIONS are ASKING, and what is going on here?

OBVIOUSLY, NOT ALL sentences MAKE SENSE just because one is considering what the words mean, in the sentence. So, YOUR CLAIM here does NOT WORK as 'it' is, OBVIOUSLY, False, Wrong, AND Incorrect, and your ATTEMPT to DISTRACT from this Fact is NOT REALLY WORKING EITHER here.

And, I am pretty sure that the ones who are Truly INTELLIGENT can CLEARLY SEE and UNDERSTAND EXACTLY what I have been talking ABOUT and POINTING OUT and SHOWING here, even if there is NO WAY that you could.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:19 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:04 am Yeah, in some Christians conception of Heaven, it seems rather callous.

Luckily then there is NO so-called "christian conception" here YET that is ACTUALLY True and Right, or even REALLY being even CLOSE to the ACTUAL Truth here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:04 am Just knowing some people you knew are being tortured forever would put a real damper on my harp playing. Even my worst enemy I wouldn't wish that on.

Here we have ANOTHER PRIME example of COMPLETE MISUNDERSTANDING and MISINTERPRETATION of what IS ACTUALLY True AND Right here.

I can understand Iwannaplato's remarks.

So could EVERY one here.

But this ONLY DISTRACTS from the Fact that what the words about 'living in hell and being tortured and suffering forever' are BEING COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD and MISINTERPRETED here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm I have experienced horror and terror worse than my own personal death.

you KNOW 'this' HOW, EXACTLY?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm The horror was so much that I could not sleep nor speak of it to anyone.

But you ARE speaking of 'it' here now.

But what 'horror'? Will you let us IN what was, supposedly, so HORRIFIC and TERRIFYING to you that it was, allegedly worse than your OWN personal death?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm I do not wish such experiences on ANYONE.

Will you EVER let us IN on what you are ON ABOUT, EXACTLY?

If no, then WHY ALLUDE to 'it' here?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm They are more horrible than ANYONE should suffer, at least not someone who has never knowingly murdered another human being. I have murdered no one that I know of.

Well this can be REFUTED.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm Why am I getting the most horrible visions imaginable?

UNTIL you START TO INFORM us of what these so-called 'horrible visions imaginable' ARE OF, EXACTLY, then we can NOT BEGIN TO INFORM you of WHY you are GETTING 'them'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm What did I do wrong to deserve them?

Being CLOSED and Dishonest.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm I have had them before. They have come back to me in different forms many times. But they are always too horrible to think about.

But there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL that is so-called 'too horrible' to just 'think about'. Well NONE that I KNOW OF, SO FAR.

MAYBE you can SHOW us OTHERWISE.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:34 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 10:19 am

Luckily then there is NO so-called "christian conception" here YET that is ACTUALLY True and Right, or even REALLY being even CLOSE to the ACTUAL Truth here.



Here we have ANOTHER PRIME example of COMPLETE MISUNDERSTANDING and MISINTERPRETATION of what IS ACTUALLY True AND Right here.

I can understand Iwannaplato's remarks.

So could EVERY one here.

But this ONLY DISTRACTS from the Fact that what the words about 'living in hell and being tortured and suffering forever' are BEING COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD and MISINTERPRETED here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm I have experienced horror and terror worse than my own personal death.

you KNOW 'this' HOW, EXACTLY?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm The horror was so much that I could not sleep nor speak of it to anyone.

But you ARE speaking of 'it' here now.

But what 'horror'? Will you let us IN what was, supposedly, so HORRIFIC and TERRIFYING to you that it was, allegedly worse than your OWN personal death?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm I do not wish such experiences on ANYONE.

Will you EVER let us IN on what you are ON ABOUT, EXACTLY?

If no, then WHY ALLUDE to 'it' here?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm They are more horrible than ANYONE should suffer, at least not someone who has never knowingly murdered another human being. I have murdered no one that I know of.

Well this can be REFUTED.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm Why am I getting the most horrible visions imaginable?

UNTIL you START TO INFORM us of what these so-called 'horrible visions imaginable' ARE OF, EXACTLY, then we can NOT BEGIN TO INFORM you of WHY you are GETTING 'them'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm What did I do wrong to deserve them?

Being CLOSED and Dishonest.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm I have had them before. They have come back to me in different forms many times. But they are always too horrible to think about.

But there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL that is so-called 'too horrible' to just 'think about'. Well NONE that I KNOW OF, SO FAR.

MAYBE you can SHOW us OTHERWISE.

I have had visions of the end of all life on Earth. I have had visions of masses of human beings resorting to cannibalism because the food chain that once supplied us with what we needed to eat to survive has collapsed. I have had visions of hospitals euthanizing patients. I have had visions of meat packing plants throwing humans into the grinders that once ground cattle. I have had visions of "diseases" being used as reasons to bring people into hospitals where they will be euthanized. I have had visions of demons, aliens, dinosaurs, extinct creatures from past epochs and other strange apparitions starting to (but not completely) materializing out of air in front of me. I have seen visions of the end of humanity and our "spirits" being uploaded into the Internet. I have had visions of endless war where humans tried to be charitable to others by killing them instead of putting them in meatgrinders.

And possibly worst of all, I have had "delusions" that there is a God and that God is either angry at me personally because I have watched pornography and cursed his name out of frustration and anger, or else God is sending me messages that I cannot bear to give humanity or else have no idea how to give to other people. I don't wish others to go through what I have been through. I have spent times in the mental hospital with sheer terror in my heart that these things were going on. It was horrible. Was it worse than death, I don't know. And I'm afraid to find out.

There Age, you asked for me to release my visions. I have done so at your request. Now you tell me if those visions were worth releasing. I have kept them to myself and had to deal with them periodically.

The medicine I'm taking only prevents my mind from forming those visions, at least most of the time. It seems to help me relax but then I relax to the point where I can't muster the will to do anything. Even on meds like Prozac, Abilify, Latuda, Wellbutrin, Depakote, and Seroquel (just to name some of the different meds I've been on) the visions sometimes come to me regardless of taking them. I have even gone off the meds at times, thinking that I am not mentally ill. I was off meds for a year once and did reasonably well interacting with others, then the visions came and I drove to a facility to hospitalize myself. The hospital FORCE me to take meds against my will at the time. My rights to the autonomy of my own body were violated. I did not pursue legal action against the hospital when I got out. Should I have sued them for violating my autonomy? My dad, a cousin of his and my grandmother (my mother's mother) all died in hospitals. The hospitals did not cure them of illness. The hospitals prodded and probed, took blood samples, did Xrays and other exams and all those people in my family died of "pneumonia". At least that is what I have been told. My dad went in for surgery of a broken hip. My grandmother went in because it was said she had dementia or Alzheimers and my I don't remember what my cousin went in for but it wasn't "pneumonia" it was supposedly "routine surgery".

We never brought legal action for "malpractice" against anyone. My family and I accepted their deaths, even though the deaths seemed to have been caused by acquiring germs or diseases while in the hospital. What else are we supposed to do?

I have kept these visions to myself out of fear that others would think they were true, or else out of fear of causing the same horror in the minds of others. Did I not do the right thing to keep those visions to myself?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:34 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm

I can understand Iwannaplato's remarks.

So could EVERY one here.

But this ONLY DISTRACTS from the Fact that what the words about 'living in hell and being tortured and suffering forever' are BEING COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD and MISINTERPRETED here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm I have experienced horror and terror worse than my own personal death.

you KNOW 'this' HOW, EXACTLY?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm The horror was so much that I could not sleep nor speak of it to anyone.

But you ARE speaking of 'it' here now.

But what 'horror'? Will you let us IN what was, supposedly, so HORRIFIC and TERRIFYING to you that it was, allegedly worse than your OWN personal death?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm I do not wish such experiences on ANYONE.

Will you EVER let us IN on what you are ON ABOUT, EXACTLY?

If no, then WHY ALLUDE to 'it' here?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm They are more horrible than ANYONE should suffer, at least not someone who has never knowingly murdered another human being. I have murdered no one that I know of.

Well this can be REFUTED.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm Why am I getting the most horrible visions imaginable?

UNTIL you START TO INFORM us of what these so-called 'horrible visions imaginable' ARE OF, EXACTLY, then we can NOT BEGIN TO INFORM you of WHY you are GETTING 'them'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm What did I do wrong to deserve them?

Being CLOSED and Dishonest.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:01 pm I have had them before. They have come back to me in different forms many times. But they are always too horrible to think about.

But there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL that is so-called 'too horrible' to just 'think about'. Well NONE that I KNOW OF, SO FAR.

MAYBE you can SHOW us OTHERWISE.

I have had visions of the end of all life on Earth.

Well absolutely NOTHING terrifying NOR horrific, so far.

Lots of people have had 'visions' of the end of ALL 'life' on earth.

I have, and still can have, LOTS of 'visions' of the end of ALL 'life' on earth, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. But, absolutely NONE of them are horrific NOR terrifying.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I have had visions of masses of human beings resorting to cannibalism because the food chain that once supplied us with what we needed to eat to survive has collapsed.

Absolutely NO terror nor horror here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I have had visions of hospitals euthanizing patients.

So just a 'vision' of what ACTUALLY HAPPENED hitherto, and HAPPENS, the days when this is being written.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I have had visions of meat packing plants throwing humans into the grinders that once ground cattle.

So, just being 'fed' INTO what 'they', themselves, had ACTUALLY CREATED and CAUSED.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I have had visions of "diseases" being used as reasons to bring people into hospitals where they will be euthanized. I have had visions of demons, aliens, dinosaurs, extinct creatures from past epochs and other strange apparitions starting to (but not completely) materializing out of air in front of me. I have seen visions of the end of humanity and our "spirits" being uploaded into the Internet. I have had visions of endless war where humans tried to be charitable to others by killing them instead of putting them in meatgrinders.

And possibly worst of all, I have had "delusions" that there is a God and that God is either angry at me personally because I have watched pornography and cursed his name out of frustration and anger, or else God is sending me messages that I cannot bear to give humanity or else have no idea how to give to other people.

Absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to be concerned about here. Anyway, are there ANY, so-called, 'messages' that you would give 'us' here?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I don't wish others to go through what I have been through.

you ARE AWARE right that 'they' are just 'visions', and that 'you' have NOT ACTUALLY 'gone through' some 'thing'?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I have spent times in the mental hospital with sheer terror in my heart

The ONLY 'thing', more or less, that goes in, and through, the heart IS 'blood'.

'Terror' is just A 'feeling', the result of some OTHER 'thing', which, because of 'past experiences' EVERY 'feeling' IS PERFECTLY 'NORMAL'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm that these things were going on. It was horrible. Was it worse than death, I don't know. And I'm afraid to find out.

This is a COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY 'feeling'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm There Age, you asked for me to release my visions. I have done so at your request. Now you tell me if those visions were worth releasing. I have kept them to myself and had to deal with them periodically.

Re-leasing 'them', to 'me', was VERY WORTHY.

Was 'releasing' 'them', to 'you', of ANY WORTH?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm The medicine I'm taking only prevents my mind from forming those visions, at least most of the time.

Considering that there is NO 'mind', which HAS 'you' as 'its' OWNER nor POSSESSOR, the term 'my mind' IS a MISNOMER and a COMPLETELY False, Wrong, and Incorrect term continually being FED TO 'you', human beings, in the days when this is being written.

So, you do NOT KNOW, FOR SURE, that it is the 'medicine' that is ACTUALLY STOPPING the 'visions' you have.

And, the creating and selling of MORE and MORE 'medicines' is JUST A/NOTHER 'business', so do NOT be surprised if MORE, and MORE, 'medicines' are PRE-SCRIBED TO you.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm It seems to help me relax but then I relax to the point where I can't muster the will to do anything.

Do you STILL, ALWAYS, so call 'muster the will' TO breathe, eat, and drink?

If yes, then what OTHER 'things' do you, REALLY, NEED to do?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm Even on meds like Prozac, Abilify, Latuda, Wellbutrin, Depakote, and Seroquel (just to name some of the different meds I've been on) the visions sometimes come to me regardless of taking them.

Okay.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I have even gone off the meds at times, thinking that I am not mentally ill.

EVERY adult, in the days when this is being written, is MENTALLY ILL in some form or capacity.

AND, because of 'what' HAS BECOME ACTUALLY 'ill' here, 'medicines' are NOT the BEST 'medicine' here. But NEVER take 'my' word for 'this'.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I was off meds for a year once and did reasonably well interacting with others, then the visions came and I drove to a facility to hospitalize myself.

Okay, but 'what' CAUSED the 'visions' to come back, EXACTLY?

If you do NOT YET KNOW, then I suggest FINDING OUT 'that'. THEN you WILL have THE PREVENTION, which is ALWAYS BETTER than THE CURE.

Oh, and by the way, 'medicine' will NEVER help you FIND OUT 'what' CAUSED the visions in the first place. BUT, Truly OPEN and Honest discussions, WITH the RIGHT people WILL.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm The hospital FORCE me to take meds against my will at the time.

As 'they' DID, back then, WHEN 'business' and 'money MAKING' WAS SEEN as being VERY IMPORTANT 'things', in Life, TO SOME.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm My rights to the autonomy of my own body were violated.

Now we are GETTING INTO Truly HORRIFYING and TERRIFYING territory here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I did not pursue legal action against the hospital when I got out.

WHY?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm Should I have sued them for violating my autonomy?

NOT FOR 'money'. But, TO PREVENT the SAME happening to "others", then YES.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm My dad, a cousin of his and my grandmother (my mother's mother) all died in hospitals.

'This' HAPPENS.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm The hospitals did not cure them of illness.

Some 'illnesses' ARE INCURABLE.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm The hospitals prodded and probed, took blood samples, did Xrays and other exams and all those people in my family died of "pneumonia".

At EVERY stage of evolution what was once what the human body so-called 'died' OF, becomes CURABLE and NOT a so-called 'death sentence' AT ALL.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm At least that is what I have been told. My dad went in for surgery of a broken hip. My grandmother went in because it was said she had dementia or Alzheimers and my I don't remember what my cousin went in for but it wasn't "pneumonia" it was supposedly "routine surgery".

Okay. 'This' CERTAINLY HELPS in somewhat EXPLAINING 'the visions' YOU HAVE.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm We never brought legal action for "malpractice" against anyone.

Okay.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm My family and I accepted their deaths, even though the deaths seemed to have been caused by acquiring germs or diseases while in the hospital.

Well considering the Fact that human bodies DO GO TO hospitals BECAUSE they have acquired germs and/or diseases, then it could be EXPECTED that IN hospitals there are LOTS of germs and/or diseases.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm What else are we supposed to do?

WHO is 'we', and IN REGARDS TO 'what', EXACTLY?

Also, was there some sort of PRESUMPTION that these 'people' were NEVER GOING TO 'die' ANYWAY?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I have kept these visions to myself out of fear that others would think they were true, or else out of fear of causing the same horror in the minds of others.

1. Considering there are NONE of these so-called 'mind' 'things' OF "others", there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to worry NOR fear that your OWN visions could END UP 'in the minds of others'.

2. I am pretty CERTAIN NO one would think that YOUR 'visions' WERE TRUE.

3. I am STILL NOT SURE 'what horror' there IS or WAS in 'those visions' OF YOURS here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm Did I not do the right thing to keep those visions to myself?

IF 'you' WANT to GET Truly BETTER, then KEEPING 'those visions' to "your" OWN 'self,' ONLY, is ABSOLUTELY and CERTAINLY NOT the 'right thing' TO DO.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:28 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 11:34 am

So could EVERY one here.

But this ONLY DISTRACTS from the Fact that what the words about 'living in hell and being tortured and suffering forever' are BEING COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD and MISINTERPRETED here.



you KNOW 'this' HOW, EXACTLY?



But you ARE speaking of 'it' here now.

But what 'horror'? Will you let us IN what was, supposedly, so HORRIFIC and TERRIFYING to you that it was, allegedly worse than your OWN personal death?


Will you EVER let us IN on what you are ON ABOUT, EXACTLY?

If no, then WHY ALLUDE to 'it' here?



Well this can be REFUTED.



UNTIL you START TO INFORM us of what these so-called 'horrible visions imaginable' ARE OF, EXACTLY, then we can NOT BEGIN TO INFORM you of WHY you are GETTING 'them'.


Being CLOSED and Dishonest.


But there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL that is so-called 'too horrible' to just 'think about'. Well NONE that I KNOW OF, SO FAR.

MAYBE you can SHOW us OTHERWISE.

I have had visions of the end of all life on Earth.

Well absolutely NOTHING terrifying NOR horrific, so far.

Lots of people have had 'visions' of the end of ALL 'life' on earth.

I have, and still can have, LOTS of 'visions' of the end of ALL 'life' on earth, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. But, absolutely NONE of them are horrific NOR terrifying.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I have had visions of masses of human beings resorting to cannibalism because the food chain that once supplied us with what we needed to eat to survive has collapsed.

Absolutely NO terror nor horror here.

Stop right here Age. If you do not find the things I described as "HORRIBLE" (the end of all life on Earth, cannibalism and other things I mentioned out of fear) then you have a problem. You are insane to think that. I am sorry but you need to be on medication, not me. If you don't want to take medication then I suggest you do something productive to stem the tide of such things ever happening. Preserve and conserve the ecosystems as much as possible. If you are young, you need to work toward the preservation of life on Earth. If you are old, then you need to work toward the preservation of life on Earth. If you cannot affect positive change toward such things, then you need to practice mental care and self-hygiene while others do that work for you.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:28 pm

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm

I have had visions of the end of all life on Earth.

Well absolutely NOTHING terrifying NOR horrific, so far.

Lots of people have had 'visions' of the end of ALL 'life' on earth.

I have, and still can have, LOTS of 'visions' of the end of ALL 'life' on earth, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. But, absolutely NONE of them are horrific NOR terrifying.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 1:22 pm I have had visions of masses of human beings resorting to cannibalism because the food chain that once supplied us with what we needed to eat to survive has collapsed.

Absolutely NO terror nor horror here.

Stop right here Age. If you do not find the things I described as "HORRIBLE" (the end of all life on Earth, cannibalism and other things I mentioned out of fear) then you have a problem.

And what IS 'that problem', EXACTLY?

And while you are 'at it', what IS 'a problem', itself, to you, anyway, and EXACTLY?

By the way, 'things' that WERE, ARE, or WILL BE INEVITABLE are NOT AT ALL 'horrible', to me. 'things' that could HAVE BEEN, or could BE, PREVENTED, which HURT and/or HARM "others", however, but STILL OCCURS by a species that HAS True INTELLIGENCE is FAIRLY HORRIBLE, to me.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm You are insane to think that.

Okay. So the one WITH 'visions', and ON 'medication', SAYS that; 'I am INSANE to THINK that THEIR OWN 'visions' are NOT 'HORRIBLE'.

Which MEANS that; 'I' am the INSANE 'one', RIGHT?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm I am sorry but you need to be on medication, not me.

Okay. Do you KNOW of ANY 'medication', which ACTUALLY WORKS, ALL OF THE TIME. 'you' have INFORMED 'us', ALREADY, that the VERY LONG LIST of 'medication' that 'you' have been ON does NOT WORK.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm If you don't want to take medication then I suggest you do something productive to stem the tide of such things ever happening.

Do you BELIEVE that BECAUSE you HAVE 'visions', like some "prophet", then 'I' and/or "others" WILL ALSO?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm Preserve and conserve the ecosystems as much as possible.

Absolutely NO one NEEDS 'visions' to SEE and KNOW that 'you', adult human beings, are HARMING, HURTING, and/or DESTROYING the ACTUAL 'place' and/or 'system' that 'you' ALL NEED FOR 'your' CONTINUAL SURVIVAL.

'This' is just A PLAIN OLD OBVIOUS Fact. So, PRESERVING and CONSERVING the 'ecosystems' is just ANOTHER OBVIOUS Fact, which 'human beings' LONG, LONG BEFORE the ones around when this was being written, KNEW FULLY, and WELL.

Somehow 'this' OBVIOUS Fact got LOST and FORGOTTEN, along the way, until in the days when this was being written there WERE some of 'you' who ACTUALLY 'tried to' ARGUE TO KEEP DOING what was DESTROYING the VERY planet and 'ecosystems' that you ACTUALLY NEEDED for your continued SURVIVAL.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm If you are young, you need to work toward the preservation of life on Earth.

LOL

So, what I TAKE FROM this STATEMENT and CLAIM of YOURS here IS; the so-called 'old' CAN KEEP DOING what is HARMING and DESTROYING 'life on earth', BUT it IS the so-called 'young' of the species who NEED 'to work' TOWARD 'the preservation of life on earth', and SO, in other words, THE RESPONSIBILITY, is AGAIN, LEFT TO, and PUT ON, 'the young', of the species.

Which, by the way, ALL FITS IN PERFECTLY WITH what I HAVE TO SHOW and PROVE here. So, THANK YOU AGAIN, for 'your' (INSIGHTFUL and WISE) WORDS here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm If you are old, then you need to work toward the preservation of life on Earth.

And HOW does one DO 'this', EXACTLY?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm If you cannot affect positive change toward such things, then you need to practice mental care and self-hygiene while others do that work for you.

OKAY.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:07 am

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:28 pm

Well absolutely NOTHING terrifying NOR horrific, so far.

Lots of people have had 'visions' of the end of ALL 'life' on earth.

I have, and still can have, LOTS of 'visions' of the end of ALL 'life' on earth, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. But, absolutely NONE of them are horrific NOR terrifying.



Absolutely NO terror nor horror here.

Stop right here Age. If you do not find the things I described as "HORRIBLE" (the end of all life on Earth, cannibalism and other things I mentioned out of fear) then you have a problem.

And what IS 'that problem', EXACTLY?

And while you are 'at it', what IS 'a problem', itself, to you, anyway, and EXACTLY?

By the way, 'things' that WERE, ARE, or WILL BE INEVITABLE are NOT AT ALL 'horrible', to me. 'things' that could HAVE BEEN, or could BE, PREVENTED, which HURT and/or HARM "others", however, but STILL OCCURS by a species that HAS True INTELLIGENCE is FAIRLY HORRIBLE, to me.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm You are insane to think that.

Okay. So the one WITH 'visions', and ON 'medication', SAYS that; 'I am INSANE to THINK that THEIR OWN 'visions' are NOT 'HORRIBLE'.

Which MEANS that; 'I' am the INSANE 'one', RIGHT?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm I am sorry but you need to be on medication, not me.

Okay. Do you KNOW of ANY 'medication', which ACTUALLY WORKS, ALL OF THE TIME. 'you' have INFORMED 'us', ALREADY, that the VERY LONG LIST of 'medication' that 'you' have been ON does NOT WORK.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm If you don't want to take medication then I suggest you do something productive to stem the tide of such things ever happening.

Do you BELIEVE that BECAUSE you HAVE 'visions', like some "prophet", then 'I' and/or "others" WILL ALSO?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm Preserve and conserve the ecosystems as much as possible.

Absolutely NO one NEEDS 'visions' to SEE and KNOW that 'you', adult human beings, are HARMING, HURTING, and/or DESTROYING the ACTUAL 'place' and/or 'system' that 'you' ALL NEED FOR 'your' CONTINUAL SURVIVAL.

'This' is just A PLAIN OLD OBVIOUS Fact. So, PRESERVING and CONSERVING the 'ecosystems' is just ANOTHER OBVIOUS Fact, which 'human beings' LONG, LONG BEFORE the ones around when this was being written, KNEW FULLY, and WELL.

Somehow 'this' OBVIOUS Fact got LOST and FORGOTTEN, along the way, until in the days when this was being written there WERE some of 'you' who ACTUALLY 'tried to' ARGUE TO KEEP DOING what was DESTROYING the VERY planet and 'ecosystems' that you ACTUALLY NEEDED for your continued SURVIVAL.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm If you are young, you need to work toward the preservation of life on Earth.

LOL

So, what I TAKE FROM this STATEMENT and CLAIM of YOURS here IS; the so-called 'old' CAN KEEP DOING what is HARMING and DESTROYING 'life on earth', BUT it IS the so-called 'young' of the species who NEED 'to work' TOWARD 'the preservation of life on earth', and SO, in other words, THE RESPONSIBILITY, is AGAIN, LEFT TO, and PUT ON, 'the young', of the species.

Which, by the way, ALL FITS IN PERFECTLY WITH what I HAVE TO SHOW and PROVE here. So, THANK YOU AGAIN, for 'your' (INSIGHTFUL and WISE) WORDS here.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm If you are old, then you need to work toward the preservation of life on Earth.

And HOW does one DO 'this', EXACTLY?

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:55 pm If you cannot affect positive change toward such things, then you need to practice mental care and self-hygiene while others do that work for you.

OKAY.

I know nothing about you Age. I only assume you are a human being and not some AI program nested inside the hard drive of someone's laptop (or desktop or mainframe) computer or something. YES, THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A COMPUTER. AND NO, A COMPUTER IS NOT A HUMAN BEING.

I'm going to assume you are a human being, person, sentient being, conscious being, nothingness or everything or whatever. Whatever you are, when you write about "when these words were written" you sound like Dr. Doom or something. You put all the blame on "you adult human beings" as though you are not an adult human being yourself or as though you will never be an "adult human being."

If you're not an "adult human being" (or some syntactical or grammatical equivalent, or whatever) and you don't think you will ever be one, then why do you think you won't ever be one? OR if you think you'll be one someday, then why do you seek to condemn all "adult human beings" for speaking what was on our minds "back in the days when this was written"?