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Re: Belief

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:48 am
by Iwannaplato
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:33 am Religion is centred on there being a GOD...I'm saying, any belief in God is not real. No one, or thing can know their creator.
How do you know what others experience and know? Can't you be content to just not know yourself? Why all these beliefs about other people?

Re: Belief

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2023 11:11 am
by Dontaskme
Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 9:48 am
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Apr 08, 2023 7:33 am Religion is centred on there being a GOD...I'm saying, any belief in God is not real. No one, or thing can know their creator.
How do you know what others experience and know? Can't you be content to just not know yourself? Why all these beliefs about other people?
Yes, noted, good point.

The I Am is always talking about itself and what it knows.

Here, there is only the God of your own understanding.

My God is no God.

Re: Belief

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:07 am
by Consul
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:45 pm Beliefs are not real.
No one believes this.
Well,…
"Some philosophers have denied the existence of beliefs altogether. Advocates of this view, generally known as eliminativism, include Churchland (1981), Stich (in his 1983 book; he subsequently moderated his opinion), and Jenson (2016). On this view, people’s everyday conception of the mind, their “folk psychology”, is a theory on par with folk theories about the origin of the universe or the nature of physical bodies. And just as our pre-scientific theories on the latter topics were shown to be radically wrong by scientific cosmology and physics, so also will folk psychology, which is essentially still pre-scientific, be overthrown by scientific psychology and neuroscience once they have advanced far enough.

According to eliminativism, once folk psychology is overthrown, strict scientific usage will have no place for reference to most of the entities postulated by folk psychology, such as belief. Beliefs, then, like “celestial spheres” or “phlogiston”, will be judged not actually to exist, but rather to be the mistaken posits of a radically false theory. We may still find it convenient to speak of “belief” in informal contexts, if scientific usage is cumbersome, much as we still speak of “the sun going down”, but if the concept of belief does not map onto the categories described by a mature scientific understanding of the mind, then, literally speaking, no one believes anything."

Source: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/belief/