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Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:49 am And for some reason he keeps bringing up fixed all the while talking about things in a fixed way while saying it is not fixed.

Speaking of what we can and can't know... is it an epistemically fixed thing that things are in a fixed way; is it an epistemically fixed thing that things are not in a fixed way?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:54 am

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:49 am And for some reason he keeps bringing up fixed all the while talking about things in a fixed way while saying it is not fixed.

Speaking of what we can and can't know... is it an epistemically fixed thing that things are in a fixed way; is it an epistemically fixed thing that things are not in a fixed way?

Concepts are usually fixed.

For example: the concept ''death'' is fixed, it cannot be ''life'' so the concept ''death'' is a fixed concept.

And yet no concept that is known, knows anything, because a concept is known by nothing.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:10 am Concepts are usually fixed.

Except when they aren't.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:10 am For example: the concept ''death'' is fixed, it cannot be ''life'' so the concept ''death'' is a fixed concept.

Why not? Living is the process of dying.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:35 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:10 am Concepts are usually fixed.

Except when they aren't.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:10 am For example: the concept ''death'' is fixed, it cannot be ''life'' so the concept ''death'' is a fixed concept.

Why not? Living is the process of dying.

Concepts are fixed.

The concept ''apple'' is never an orange.

Yes, it is known that living is a process of dying.

But the concept ''fixed'' can never be anything other than what is it known as which is 'fixed'

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:59 am Concepts are fixed.

The concept ''apple'' is never an orange.

That puts you in a pickle.

If the concept "concept" is never "not a concept" then the only thing we can talk about is concepts.

Because non-concepts can't be conceptualised.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:02 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:59 am Concepts are fixed.

The concept ''apple'' is never an orange.

That puts you in a pickle.

If the concept "concept" is never not a "concept" then the only thing we can talk about is concepts.

The known word 'concept' is fixed. There is never anything that can be known that is not a concept known. The known 'concept' is the word 'concept' it is fixed, because 'concept' cannot be anything other than 'concept'

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:02 am Because non-concepts can't be conceptualised.

There is no such concept as a non-concept, therefore the word known as 'concept'..is fixed.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:07 am There is no such concept as a non-concept, therefore the word known as 'concept'..is fixed.

The word "concept" is not a concept. It's a word. So it's not fixed.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:12 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:07 am There is no such concept as a non-concept, therefore the word known as 'concept'..is fixed.

The word "concept" is not a concept. It's a word. So it's not fixed.

For a word to be known, it has to be conceived in this conception.

Therefore, the word (WORD) can never be anything other than WORD... because it is fixed.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:47 am

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:35 pm Mathematics is an insight someone figured out how to communicate.

Math is concept, and concept know nothing of their reality.

In this conception, there is an apparent supposition arising out of thin air, that there is a 'someone' who knows what they are communicating with another ''someone''

In reality, no communication between two things ever took place, except in this conception, as an apparent knowing, in this immediate unknowing.

Insights into reality are concepts... All insights are conceptual.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:35 pm Mathematics is an insight someone figured out how to communicate.

The guy who wrote "The Mathematical theory of Communication" would have disagreed.

If communication is mathematically communicable then there's more to mathematics than communication.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:21 am
Insights into reality are concepts... All insights are conceptual.

Yes, conceptual in this conception. Here, there are only concepts known.

All concepts are known, and that which is known knows nothing in this apparent not-knowing knowing.

'Knowing' or 'knowledge' is an infinitive appearance of nothing. Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:29 am Personally, I am referring to what is an unconditional experience of oneness. So my OP has nothing to do whatsoever with your notion regarding the ''conditions that produce incapability of sharing a common perspective''

What you thought you were talking about is not what you were really talking about. There is no ‘person’ to carry out your objective. Oneness is not the actual threeness that is what you want to get to. Stop wanting to get! There, there is your block. It’s so simple that it’s complex. If you can ‘go silent’ all that the not-me is communicating will be uncommunicated as threeness subdues oneness. Now, it’s two-ness.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:29 am Personally, I am referring to what is an unconditional experience of oneness. So my OP has nothing to do whatsoever with your notion regarding the ''conditions that produce incapability of sharing a common perspective''

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:30 pmWhat you thought you were talking about is not what you were really talking about. There is no ‘person’ to carry out your objective.

Yes, I agree.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:30 pmOneness is not the actual threeness that is what you want to get to.

Yes, I agree. There is no one to want to get to. There is only here, and one cannot get there from here.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:30 pmStop wanting to get!

Well, there's nothing wanting to get, so it's not as if once got will matter in the slightest, there'll just be the appearance of getting or not getting, and nothing will be appearing as if getting is got, or getting is not got.

Alexis Jacobi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:30 pmThere, there is your block. It’s so simple that it’s complex. If you can ‘go silent’ all that the not-me is communicating will be uncommunicated as threeness subdues oneness. Now, it’s two-ness.

Well, if you want to put it like that, then so be it for you there, but it's not how I would have put it. And you are very much entitled to put it anyway you want, it's your prerogative, not mine.

What I'm saying here, is that personal insights into the nature of oneness can never be communicated.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 1:20 pmWhat I'm saying here, is that personal insights into the nature of oneness can never be communicated.

I must differ. When I was very young — even younger than I am now — I practiced communicating oneness insights for half an hour a day, usually at a fixed hour in the morning. Why, at that blessed time I often communicated six fully-fledged insights before breakfast. Now, frankly, I don’t bother: no one is home to even care!