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Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:15 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:15 pm Patterns can be divided into 6 categories, namely logic, rules, concepts, analogies, images, and connections. You are familiar with the pattern of logic so I give you an example rule: All students who work hard and are smart enough get good marks.

So, when we are illogical, we aren't thinking?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:15 pm An image is not a pattern. A series of images might be a pattern. I can see an image I've never seen before.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:15 pm Why does everyone have to use reductionism?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:15 pm Why can't complexity be complexity?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:15 pm Hey, I just remembered an exception to that rule about students. Not a pattern, an exception.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:15 pm Ooh, I hate that guy at the gas station.
Not pattern recognition.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 3:11 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:15 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:53 am Thinking certainly includes recognizing patterns. But it is a lot of other things also. The OP is asserting something. It didnt do this but it might 'give and example'. Perhaps when reading it we remember something unrelated and think about that. A later argument may use 'deduction'.

Patterns can be divided into 6 categories, namely logic, rules, concepts, analogies, images, and connections. You are familiar with the pattern of logic so I give you an example rule: All students who work hard and are smart enough get good marks.

But it is ONLY those people who COPY and FOLLOW "others" 'teachings' who get so-called 'good marks'.

SEE, and OBVIOUSLY, A 'student' could so-called 'work hard' and be VERY so-called 'smart' but NOT get so-called 'good marks' BECAUSE 'it' provides answers, which may well be FAR MORE True, Right, and/or Correct but which are NOT the answers being 'sought after'.

So, I suggest that if one would like to provide an example of a 'pattern of ACTUAL logic', then they provide an ACTUAL 'good' or 'working' example of 'logic', itself.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:43 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Apr 02, 2023 3:11 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 3:15 pm
Patterns can be divided into 6 categories, namely logic, rules, concepts, analogies, images, and connections. You are familiar with the pattern of logic so I give you an example rule: All students who work hard and are smart enough get good marks.

But it is ONLY those people who COPY and FOLLOW "others" 'teachings' who get so-called 'good marks'.

SEE, and OBVIOUSLY, A 'student' could so-called 'work hard' and be VERY so-called 'smart' but NOT get so-called 'good marks' BECAUSE 'it' provides answers, which may well be FAR MORE True, Right, and/or Correct but which are NOT the answers being 'sought after'.

So, I suggest that if one would like to provide an example of a 'pattern of ACTUAL logic', then they provide an ACTUAL 'good' or 'working' example of 'logic', itself.

A good example of logic: Socrates is a man, all men are mortal, therefore Socrates is mortal.

Agent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:00 am AXXXAXAAAXAAAAAAXXAXAX

Is there a pattern?

Agent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:00 am AXXXAXAAAXAAAAAAXXAXAX

Is there a pattern?

Agent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:00 am AXXXAXAAAXAAAAAAXXAXAX

Is there a pattern?

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Mon Jul 28, 2025 9:53 am

Agent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:00 am AXXXAXAAAXAAAAAAXXAXAX

Is there a pattern?

What's funny is that you engaged in pattern recognition to make this post. You recognized the pattern that in contexts about pattern recognition, sequences of letters are used to test pattern recognition.

Bravo for the meta pattern.

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:58 pm We experience all sorts of things from our birth to death. There are however patterns in what we experience. Thinking is a process which through it we recognize patterns in our experiences.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 4:52 am

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:58 pm We experience all sorts of things from our birth to death. There are however patterns in what we experience. Thinking is a process which through it we recognize patterns in our experiences.

Any arrangement repeated is a pattern. What does the pattern mean to some consciousness, that would be both perceptions, the sensations, and the understanding, which provides the meaning. The meaning tells the organism how it relates to its survival and well-being or its insignificance.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 5:55 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 4:52 am

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:58 pm We experience all sorts of things from our birth to death. There are however patterns in what we experience. Thinking is a process which through it we recognize patterns in our experiences.

Any arrangement repeated is a pattern. What does the pattern mean to some consciousness, that would be both perceptions, the sensations, and the understanding, which provides the meaning. The meaning tells the organism how it relates to its survival and well-being or its insignificance.

"Organism" is a concept derived from patterns. The application of meaning is the awareness of what one thing leads to, the inherent transformation of a thing, meaning is not limited to organisms.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 10:47 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 5:55 pm

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 4:52 am

Any arrangement repeated is a pattern. What does the pattern mean to some consciousness, that would be both perceptions, the sensations, and the understanding, which provides the meaning. The meaning tells the organism how it relates to its survival and well-being or its insignificance.

"Organism" is a concept derived from patterns. The application of meaning is the awareness of what one thing leads to, the inherent transformation of a thing, meaning is not limited to organisms.

Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. Life, organism, and consciousness are the only sources of meaning in the world. You need to grasp that if nothing else.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 28, 2025 3:53 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 10:47 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 5:55 pm

"Organism" is a concept derived from patterns. The application of meaning is the awareness of what one thing leads to, the inherent transformation of a thing, meaning is not limited to organisms.

Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. Life, organism, and consciousness are the only sources of meaning in the world. You need to grasp that if nothing else.

Biology is a distinction, it is an occurence. Consciousness is inseperable from distinction for consciousness occurs through distinction as a distinction of itself. Biology is one of many distinctions but all existence is consciousness by nature of it being distinctions.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 31, 2025 3:40 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 28, 2025 3:53 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 27, 2025 10:47 pm

Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. Life, organism, and consciousness are the only sources of meaning in the world. You need to grasp that if nothing else.

Biology is a distinction, it is an occurence. Consciousness is inseperable from distinction for consciousness occurs through distinction as a distinction of itself. Biology is one of many distinctions but all existence is consciousness by nature of it being distinctions.

The terminology is rather crazy, but is what you are saying the same thing as what I have already said? The world of objects/patterns is the fuel of consciousness, and without consciousness, they cease to be. You live in your own subjective world; the truth of the statement is of necessity.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 01, 2025 5:54 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 31, 2025 3:40 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 28, 2025 3:53 am

Biology is a distinction, it is an occurence. Consciousness is inseperable from distinction for consciousness occurs through distinction as a distinction of itself. Biology is one of many distinctions but all existence is consciousness by nature of it being distinctions.

The terminology is rather crazy, but is what you are saying the same thing as what I have already said? The world of objects/patterns is the fuel of consciousness, and without consciousness, they cease to be. You live in your own subjective world; the truth of the statement is of necessity.

That is your subjective state by degree of you claiming subjectivity as the pivotal means of truth.

Consciousness ceases without distinction, consciousness is a distinction made by consciousness thus relegating consciousness to purely the process of distinction.

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 02, 2025 2:35 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 01, 2025 5:54 am

popeye1945 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 31, 2025 3:40 am

The terminology is rather crazy, but is what you are saying the same thing as what I have already said? The world of objects/patterns is the fuel of consciousness, and without consciousness, they cease to be. You live in your own subjective world; the truth of the statement is of necessity.

That is your subjective state by degree of you claiming subjectivity as the pivotal means of truth.

Consciousness ceases without distinction, consciousness is a distinction made by consciousness thus relegating consciousness to purely the process of distinction.

Does that mean the subjective perception of the physical world?