attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:12 pm
You have overlooked this statement I made above:
IF AI interfaces to biology, then perhaps one day, what was once merely a machine MAY become consciously sentient - HOWEVER, that sentient consciousness is never going to be reducible to mathematical equations.
And in that you are stating above has NOTHING to do with what this topic is about - whether CONSCIOUSNESS is computable (NOT whether feeding electrical impulses to what is ALREADY consciouss is going to give an input - such a via prosthetics (As in your above waffle)
U really are tedious to deal with.
Actually you are the one who has overlooked the statement I made above;
IF AI interfaces to biology, then perhaps one day, what was once merely a machine MAY become consciously sentient - HOWEVER, that sentient consciousness is never going to be reducible to mathematical equations.
Something like E = MC2?
You are asking the impossible.
It took appx. 4 billion years for the present human consciousness to evolve from abiogenesis of the first one-celled living thing from RNA.
It is not practical [impossible] to replicate this and to put that into a mathematical equation.
Note this problem re the definition of what is consciousness?
Consciousness, at its simplest, is sentience and awareness of internal and external existence.[1] However, the lack of definitions has led to millennia of analyses, explanations and debates by philosophers, theologians, linguisticians, and scientists.
Opinions differ about what exactly needs to be studied or even considered consciousness.
In some explanations, it is synonymous with the mind, and at other times, an aspect of mind. In the past, it was one's "inner life", the world of introspection, of private thought, imagination and volition.[2]
Today, it often includes any kind of cognition, experience, feeling or perception.
It may be awareness, awareness of awareness, or self-awareness either continuously changing or not.[3][4]
The disparate range of research, notions and speculations
raises a curiosity about whether the right questions are being asked.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness
I believe the last point above is related to "the hard problem of consciousness" which is not the right question for what is consciousness; it not a logical question as it is infected with equivocation.
Consciousness is not a question for physics and mathematics like reducible gravity, atoms, quarks, and the likes.
I believe the issues with Consciousness should be driven by Biology & Psychology with Chemistry & Physics in the background within BioChemistry. Btw, I took courses in BioChemsistry from Harvardx and Genetics, Molecular Biology, Genomics and Rational Medicine MITx.
Note the Problems of the Definition of Consciousness;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscious ... definition
Consciousness is something dynamic and continuously evolving; thus consciousness should more rightly belong to a question involving primarily biology & psychology [evolutionary]. Mathematics can be used but that is secondary. What is more important is computable models and algorithms that will generate equivalent results as in reality.
I believe the problem you are barking at should be the question of
abiogenesis, how did life [Biology & Psychology] originate from non-life [Chemistry & Physics]. This concern of yours is driven [selfishly] by your internal existential angst towards an ontological consciousness-in-itself originating from a God.
As for real consciousness what is most critical is - regardless of the answer to abiogenesis- consciousness is empirically real that is verifiable and justifiable, thus objective.
From this real consciousness, the most critical focus for humanity is to re-engineer its functions and structures so that it can be replicated via computable models in addition to enhancing our average level of consciousness in terms of cognition [intelligences] towards
the optimal well being of humanity.