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Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:31 am
by dattaswami
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:09 am
I'm not suffering. I have no problem with being blind.

Your initial assumptions are faulty.
Ok it may be true for one or 2 or few blind persons. But you cannot generalise it for all the blind people in this world!

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:50 am
by Maia
dattaswami wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:31 am
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:09 am
I'm not suffering. I have no problem with being blind.

Your initial assumptions are faulty.
Ok it may be true for one or 2 or few blind persons. But you cannot generalise it for all the blind people in this world!
I'm not trying to.

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:53 am
by dattaswami
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:50 am
dattaswami wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:31 am
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:09 am
I'm not suffering. I have no problem with being blind.

Your initial assumptions are faulty.
Ok it may be true for one or 2 or few blind persons. But you cannot generalise it for all the blind people in this world!
I'm not trying to.
ok then what is your point?

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:57 am
by vegetariantaxidermy
dattaswami wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:53 am
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:50 am
dattaswami wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:31 am

Ok it may be true for one or 2 or few blind persons. But you cannot generalise it for all the blind people in this world!
I'm not trying to.
ok then what is your point?
And what sin did you commit in a past life that made you come back as a boring imbecile?

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:04 pm
by dattaswami
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:57 am

And what sin did you commit in a past life that made you come back as a boring imbecile?
Reformation is a golden opportunity given by God to us. It consists of three steps. The first step is related to knowledge. It is realization or jñāna yoga, which is identifying the sin through analysis. The second step is related to emotions and it involves sincere repentance before God with deep devotion to Him, which is bhakti yoga. The third and final step, is the practical step of karma yoga in which you should not repeat the same sin in your life. Many fail in the third step. It is of no use because the third step is practical and the first two steps are merely theoretical. A person can be said to be reformed only when he does not repeat the sin practically. Some clever people try to exploit this concept thinking that they will reform their souls, just before death! Such over-intelligence brings double punishment as no one can cheat God since He is omniscient!

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 1:54 pm
by Maia
dattaswami wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:53 am
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:50 am
dattaswami wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:31 am

Ok it may be true for one or 2 or few blind persons. But you cannot generalise it for all the blind people in this world!
I'm not trying to.
ok then what is your point?
The point is that those who come out with this rubbish have probably never even spoken to a blind person or asked them for their opinions on the subject.

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:07 pm
by Iwannaplato
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:50 am
dattaswami wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:31 am
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:09 am
I'm not suffering. I have no problem with being blind.

Your initial assumptions are faulty.
Ok it may be true for one or 2 or few blind persons. But you cannot generalise it for all the blind people in this world!
I'm not trying to.
I'm sure you know this, but I felt compelled to say it in the thread. DS is generalizes incorrectly about the blind. In response to you pointing this out, he accuses you of generalizing. And as you later point out, he is generalizing with less experience than you about the subject.

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:25 pm
by Maia
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:07 pm
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:50 am
dattaswami wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 11:31 am

Ok it may be true for one or 2 or few blind persons. But you cannot generalise it for all the blind people in this world!
I'm not trying to.
I'm sure you know this, but I felt compelled to say it in the thread. DS is generalizes incorrectly about the blind. In response to you pointing this out, he accuses you of generalizing. And as you later point out, he is generalizing with less experience than you about the subject.
He doesn't appear the slightest bit interested in learning anything, either.

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:45 pm
by Walker
dattaswami:

Where did Jesus say that?

With this thread title, are you asserting eye-blindness, or the blindness of misunderstanding?

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:07 pm
by Walker
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:07 pm... he accuses you of generalizing.
You inserted the part about accusing.

- Maia in fact was generalizing about what all blind people think about their blindness.
- Dattaswami is also generalizing, however the difference is, he does not deny it.
- Maia did.
- He offers a basis for his generalizations.
- His basis is how he interprets Hinduism.

- Maia’s basis for generalizing is her personal experience.

- The only accusing going on is in your own noggin, and you are projecting it onto dattaswami. Quite tiresome of you. You're not dealing with children.

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:09 pm
by Walker
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:25 pm
He doesn't appear the slightest bit interested in learning anything, either.
What you've offered is your indignation, and he has likely learned that.

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:22 pm
by Maia
Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:07 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:07 pm... he accuses you of generalizing.
You inserted the part about accusing.

- Maia in fact was generalizing about what all blind people think about their blindness.
- Dattaswami is also generalizing, however the difference is, he does not deny it.
- Maia did.
- He offers a basis for his generalizations.
- His basis is how he interprets Hinduism.

- Maia’s basis for generalizing is her personal experience.

- The only accusing going on is in your own noggin, and you are projecting it onto dattaswami. Quite tiresome of you. You're not dealing with children.
I was not generalising, and was very clear that I was talking about myself.

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:22 pm
by Maia
Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:07 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 3:07 pm... he accuses you of generalizing.
You inserted the part about accusing.

- Maia in fact was generalizing about what all blind people think about their blindness.
- Dattaswami is also generalizing, however the difference is, he does not deny it.
- Maia did.
- He offers a basis for his generalizations.
- His basis is how he interprets Hinduism.

- Maia’s basis for generalizing is her personal experience.

- The only accusing going on is in your own noggin, and you are projecting it onto dattaswami. Quite tiresome of you. You're not dealing with children.
I was not generalising, and was very clear that I was talking about myself.

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:23 pm
by Maia
Walker wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:09 pm
Maia wrote: Wed Dec 28, 2022 5:25 pm
He doesn't appear the slightest bit interested in learning anything, either.
What you've offered is your indignation, and he has likely learned that.
On the contrary, I was offering the benefit of my experience.

Re: Reason why Jesus told that blindness is because of grace of God...

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2022 7:28 pm
by Walker
Therefore, you are asserting that dattaswami's generalizations, which he bases on his interpretation of Hinduism, is incorrect because his assertions are not based upon the thoughts of all blind people, about blindness. Correct?

Or, are you asserting his generalizations are incorrect because you personally do not agree with them.