Examine Logically To Arrive at the Truth

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Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:52 am
dattaswami wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 8:19 am MATTHEW: 5 : 17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill”.
You'll notice that there is a name other than Jesus who is quoting Jesus: Matthew. Most scholars put Matthew at 80 to 90 AD, which means he was not even a witness to the life of Jesus. And what is not quoted, but written, in Matthew, is written by, well, not Jesus.
The right interpretations of the old traditional scriptures given by Holy Jesus appear to be quite revolutionary. But they are the real essence of the scriptures.
Yes, the Jesus that Matthew and others wrote about, when they were writing that part of the Bible, did, according to them, interpret and comment on what Christians call the Old Testement. But that doesn't mean Jesus wrote the OT. He didn't.

Jesus did not write the Bible. That's not a controversial statement. Certainly not for Christians or religious scholars or theologians.

What I notice here, again, is that you're not really responsding to what I wrote. You bring up other issues and here an interesting one. But it does not in anyway support the idea that Jesus wrote the Bible.
Jesus did not write the bible with pen that is true. He gave the divine knowledge orally. Either somebody would have written down or might have remembered through oral recitation all the incidents in the bible and it might have then written down by the 4 gospel writers afterwards. Many points told by Jesus would not have included also. Afterwards, Church fathers also cut short the bible which is available in the present form removing many parts. But the core teaching is one and the same in all 4 gospel, that God comes to this world and preached divine knowledge and He carried the sins of His real devotees who reformed through His divine knowledge.

Likewise Quran also.
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dattaswami wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 12:44 pm Jesus did not write the bible with pen that is true. He gave the divine knowledge orally.
The divine knowledge in the NT perhaps. Not in the OT.
Either somebody would have written down or might have remembered through oral recitation all the incidents in the bible and it might have then written down by the 4 gospel writers afterwards
Sure. And that's a chain of people over a period of many years. Playing telephone with what somone else overheard, sometimes called https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers. Might be accurate might not.
Many points told by Jesus would not have included also.
Sure, yes. All I pointed out was that he didn't write the Bible.
Afterwards, Church fathers also cut short the bible which is available in the present form removing many parts. But the core teaching is one and the same in all 4 gospel, that God comes to this world and preached divine knowledge and He carried the sins of His real devotees who reformed through His divine knowledge.
Not through divine knowledge, but though the act of the crucifixion. His divine knowledge is purported to be repeated in the NT. But it was a sacrificial (as interpreted even later in the Bible) where paid for the sins of others.
Likewise Quran also.
?. The writing of the Koran was a very different process from that of the Bible. Even in the not supported version of that process many muslims believe.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 1:16 pmNot through divine knowledge, but though the act of the crucifixion. His divine knowledge is purported to be repeated in the NT. But it was a sacrificial (as interpreted even later in the Bible) where paid for the sins of others.
Likewise Quran also.
?. The writing of the Koran was a very different process from that of the Bible. Even in the not supported version of that process many muslims believe.
Main purpose of God coming to this world is the propagation of divine knowledge to uplift the human beings existing in that area in that point of time. Later on the disciples of human incarnation propagate that divine knowledge. Another purpose God coming to this world is to give the facilities of touch, vision and co-living with Him to His close devotees. Such God in human form also carry the sins of His beloved devotees and not for any X, Y or Z. Such God in human form perform miracles which are unimaginable events not for show and crowd pulling but for establishing the existence of God even to an atheist.
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dattaswami wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 2:33 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 1:16 pmNot through divine knowledge, but though the act of the crucifixion. His divine knowledge is purported to be repeated in the NT. But it was a sacrificial (as interpreted even later in the Bible) where paid for the sins of others.
Likewise Quran also.
?. The writing of the Koran was a very different process from that of the Bible. Even in the not supported version of that process many muslims believe.
Main purpose of God coming to this world is the propagation of divine knowledge to uplift the human beings existing in that area in that point of time. Later on the disciples of human incarnation propagate that divine knowledge. Another purpose God coming to this world is to give the facilities of touch, vision and co-living with Him to His close devotees. Such God in human form also carry the sins of His beloved devotees and not for any X, Y or Z. Such God in human form perform miracles which are unimaginable events not for show and crowd pulling but for establishing the existence of God even to an atheist.
Yes, you've said these things elsewhere and htey don't really have to do with the issue.
That said, you consider yourself one of these incarnations of God, right`?
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Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:01 pm Yes, you've said these things elsewhere and htey don't really have to do with the issue.
That said, you consider yourself one of these incarnations of God, right`?
I can only say that divine knowledge is the identify mark of God in human form.
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dattaswami wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:04 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:01 pm Yes, you've said these things elsewhere and htey don't really have to do with the issue.
That said, you consider yourself one of these incarnations of God, right`?
I can only say that divine knowledge is the identify mark of God in human form.
I don't think that is all you can say. You say more on your website. Shall I quote?
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Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:16 pm
dattaswami wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:04 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:01 pm Yes, you've said these things elsewhere and htey don't really have to do with the issue.
That said, you consider yourself one of these incarnations of God, right`?
I can only say that divine knowledge is the identify mark of God in human form.
I don't think that is all you can say. You say more on your website. Shall I quote?
When God came as Jesus, 3 types of people approached Him.

1. 1st type of people was full with ego and jealosy to such low level people Jesus told that He is only a messenger or Prophet of God
2. 2nd type of people: These people have conquered ego and jealosy to some extent to such group of people He told that He is Son of God who is very near and dear to God like a son
3. 3rd type of people: They were His disciples who conquered ego and jealosy completely to those devotees He told that He is God Himself

The first type of people killed Jesus.
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Walker wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:35 am
Lacewing wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:05 pm
Walker wrote: Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:24 pm
Given the politics of Swami Vivekananda, and given Swami dattaswami’s affinity with Swami Vivekananda, I find it interesting that you have not found more common ground with Swami dattaswami.
I agree that there are concepts I can feel familiarity with. However, it's not simply about the content... it's about the manner in which it is delivered. Unbalanced torrent of preaching and claims about that which is not known, all without reasonable interaction with challenges. This is a discussion forum... not a preaching platform for someone to bombard with thousands of posts in a short period of time. Where is dattaswami's respect for BALANCE? What is dattaswami's NEED in doing this, and why is it more important than attaining balance and connection for and with other posters? These are reasonable considerations.

You don't need to answer. You tend to offer your allegiance so unquestioningly and foolishly that your perspective is usually skewed and unbalanced anyway.
- I'm not the one complaining that dattaswami is an "unbalancing" presence.
- This is because equanimity puts him, and you, into proportion.

- You are the one complaining about being unbalanced.

- You unbalance yourself.

- Dattaswami is not unbalancing you.

- You are responsible for your own unbalancing.

- To say that I am imbalanced, for not supporting your unbalanced notions, is rather unbalanced of you.

- dattaswami is inconvenient to your sense of balance, so you think he's gotta go.

- He's not the cause of your unbalance.

- You are.

- Drink less wine and you won't fall over so much.

*

This is how we logically deduce truth, but I figure you're not a fan.
#Walker

You’ve gone off the charts, overboard, or over the top.


#Lacewing

Am I correct that you’re saying that there’s an absence of balance in the forum because of D’s numerous threads scattered about?

Is there anything that can be done short of reporting him?

I called his threads clickbait because so many of the thread titles sound intriguing, only to turn out to be sermons that don’t belong here.
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dattaswami wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 5:45 pm When God came as Jesus, 3 types of people approached Him.

1. 1st type of people was full with ego and jealosy to such low level people Jesus told that He is only a messenger or Prophet of God
2. 2nd type of people: These people have conquered ego and jealosy to some extent to such group of people He told that He is Son of God who is very near and dear to God like a son
3. 3rd type of people: They were His disciples who conquered ego and jealosy completely to those devotees He told that He is God Himself

The first type of people killed Jesus.
The conquering ego idea is much more Hindu and Buddhist than Christian or in the case of Jesus, Jewish. And let's put this exchange in context. Someone who is claiming on his website to be the incarnation of Datta - that is the unified God - is implying things about other people's egos - for example me. This is the bathroom sink calling the bathtub white.

The assumption that a problem with you or your ideas must be based on jealousy - apart from being an egotistical assumption - may well be true for people who want to have the kind of self-relation you have. Or want the kind of adulation a guru gets.

You may need to consider that what you want is not what everyone wants, even if some do.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:03 pmThe conquering ego idea is much more Hindu and Buddhist than Christian or in the case of Jesus, Jewish. And let's put this exchange in context. Someone who is claiming on his website to be the incarnation of Datta - that is the unified God - is implying things about other people's egos - for example me. This is the bathroom sink calling the bathtub white.

The assumption that a problem with you or your ideas must be based on jealousy - apart from being an egotistical assumption - may well be true for people who want to have the kind of self-relation you have. Or want the kind of adulation a guru gets.

You may need to consider that what you want is not what everyone wants, even if some do.
When God comes here in human form, He will not say that He is God in human form. This is the reason by in Bible Jesus strictly prohibited His disciple not to tell to the public that He is God in human form. Common public cannot digest such a higher truth.


I am not at all saying any body is egoistic etc. I have stated a general statement. It is a general statement and not pointed to any individual, kindly please understand this point...If it hurt anybody i apologise for it...I have described only the line of action of God in human form or human incarnation of God in general.
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commonsense wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 7:49 pm Am I correct that you’re saying that there’s an absence of balance in the forum because of D’s numerous threads scattered about?

Is there anything that can be done short of reporting him?

I called his threads clickbait because so many of the thread titles sound intriguing, only to turn out to be sermons that don’t belong here.
Yes. It has been a flood of preaching under all sorts of thread titles, and he does not address the questions and challenges that arise. He just preaches more. It's very one-sided and excessive.

One solution would be for him to create ONE thread... 'Dattaswami's Belief's', or whatever. Since he's not interested in truly engaging with people, then he could present his views in a way that didn't deceptively lure people into reading his one-way communication unless that's what they want.

But seeing as how he's trying to overrun the forum in a selfish way while luring people in, and not acknowledging whether he is indeed the DattaSwami of 'Universal Spirituality for World Peace', his is but another self-serving agenda being blasted at the divine in all. 8)
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commonsense wrote: Sat Dec 24, 2022 7:49 pm
Walker wrote: - I'm not the one complaining that dattaswami is an "unbalancing" presence.
- This is because equanimity puts him, and you, into proportion.

- You are the one complaining about being unbalanced.

- You unbalance yourself.

- Dattaswami is not unbalancing you.

- You are responsible for your own unbalancing.

- To say that I am imbalanced, for not supporting your unbalanced notions, is rather unbalanced of you.

- dattaswami is inconvenient to your sense of balance, so you think he's gotta go.

- He's not the cause of your unbalance.

- You are.

- Drink less wine and you won't fall over so much.

*

This is how we logically deduce truth, but I figure you're not a fan.
#Walker

You’ve gone off the charts, overboard, or over the top.
Perhaps.

However, the simplicity expresses what is in play here. What is sought in dattaswami’s change, or removal, is to reach a timeless state of consciousness that cannot be disturbed by circumstances. This is the endpoint.

Dattaswami is an element of this circumstance. To some, he is disturbing. He disturbs the peace of mind, so he must be changed or removed.

He is a ROLE. A spiritual role. His role, whether intended or not, is annoyance. Annoyance is a aspect, a form of suffering. It is caused by conflict, which at the root is mental conflict, which is fitting for this realm.

My philosophy, such as it is in this realm, is to make something out of offerings of others via contemplation, whatever their offering may be, and move if the spirit moves me to action. Same goes for whatever dattaswami’s offerings, which are not always shall we say moving, may be.

I find this path, this method of "how", as timelessly asked by Lacewing elsewhere in her energy thread, provides the energy for immunity from disturbance by circumstance.

I just happened to know about Swami Vivekananda’s life, and Bhagavan Ramakrishna’s life, so I have an idea of dattaswami’s evangelical intent behind his offerings, because he has invoked their names, and they were mortal men not long removed.



“Man has throughout the ages been seeking something beyond himself, beyond material welfare – something we call truth or God or reality, a timeless state – something that cannot be disturbed by circumstances, by thought or by human corruption.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti
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dattaswami wrote: Sun Dec 25, 2022 2:44 am When God comes here in human form, He will not say that He is God in human form. This is the reason by in Bible Jesus strictly prohibited His disciple not to tell to the public that He is God in human form. Common public cannot digest such a higher truth.
Well, then you'd best tend to your website. You or devotees have said this about you.
Therefore, I have to answer the question "Who are You?" for different people in different ways

1. Yes, I am the very Lord Datta

2. Lord Datta is in My heart as I am His strongest devotee

3. I have been sent by Lord Datta as His messenger
And if this is read in context, it is even clearer that this is being claimed by you and anyone running that website. It is clear what you believe and are saying. The only reason, as you say in the text, that you focus on answer 3, is because of the three types of people who are out there and how they react.

There are other places on the website that make it clear what you are claming to be. If you want to say that this is true for everyone, you have made it clear in your writings that that is not the case. That you consider yourself as one with Jesus, the Buddha, and so on. You in particular.
I am not at all saying any body is egoistic etc. I have stated a general statement. It is a general statement and not pointed to any individual, kindly please understand this point...If it hurt anybody i apologise for it...I have described only the line of action of God in human form or human incarnation of God in general
OK, apology accepted. I wasn't hurt, but I think it was an implicit accusation based on false assumptions. Implicit.

That said, I will say goodbye. I don't see any point in continued dialogue between us. Others however, I am quite sure, will keep pushing back on what is, at root, disrespectful.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Sun Dec 25, 2022 8:36 am That said, I will say goodbye. I don't see any point in continued dialogue between us. Others however, I am quite sure, will keep pushing back on what is, at root, disrespectful.
I never believed when the Lord appeared before Me and told that He is going to give the best and highest spiritual knowledge through Me, even though the Lord showed Me the clear vision of His entry in to Me. I thought that the vision might have been by imagination. Yet, that vision was unique since when I touched His feet, the feet were part of the materialized body as experienced through My touch. Generally, the visions are of energetic forms only. But, that vision was unique due to the experience of materialistic touch with My hands. Still, I thought that My such experience was also imaginary. But, after the emission of this excellent and unimaginable knowledge, I confirmed that My vision was true.

The form of Lord Dattatreya was in the form of Bhagavan Shri Satya Sai Baba as a boy of 16 yrs sitting on silver throne, who was alive at that time indicating the importance of contemporary human incarnation. The Lord told Me that He selected Me for the propagation of this special spiritual knowledge. I told with extreme surprise “Me...!, who is just a professor of chemistry teaching EAMCET and IIT entrance coaching...! while several divine saints are available for this purpose...!”. The Lord said that there is no better deserving person than Me! I thought that the Lord is testing My ego and diverted the conservation to some spiritual concepts. The whole vision lasted for about 30 minutes. Some may not like Shri Baba and hence, I did not often tell this incident since this incident is not so important as the spiritual knowledge given to us, which alone can guide us to the goal.

But, in the context of the answer to your question, I feel that I should reveal this. I should not hide the truth and should speak the truth whether somebody likes it or not. Not even a single word of this spiritual knowledge is My property. I am also one of the beggars to enjoy this divine feast along with you. As the human being component, I am also one of the hungry guests to enjoy this food. The only difference is that I enjoy this food in the kitchen itself and not in the dining hall! I feared to tell this incident to all since some devotees of Shri Baba told that Shri Baba will speak by Himself and not through somebody.

I, therefore, replaced the name of Shri Baba by the name of Lord Dattatreya so that there may not be any objection. Of course, Shri Baba also proved through a miracle that He was the incarnation of Lord Dattatreya. The Lord while entering Me was energetic form of Lord Dattatreya only. When I laid on the steps of the temple of the Divine Mother (Bhramaramba) in Shrisailam, the Lord appeared before Me and His back faced Me. He slowly fell on Me in that inverted position and merged with Me in such a manner that all the limbs merged in similar limbs. While merging took place, Lord recited one Vedic hymn, which means the ear of the ear, the eye of the eye etc. After that day onwards this excellent divine knowledge started flowing out.

The ground for this future divine programme was already founded in Me when I was 11 yrs old. My father started teaching Me Sanskrit language and he taught Me just eight verses in an epic. After that, I started telling spontaneous poetry in Sanskrit as prayer on God. All the divine scriptures in Sanskrit like the Vedas and the Shastras entered My brain in fraction of a second and this was proved in the test conducted by several eminent scholars of My native village. They told My father that this is impossible even through study for several years and I must have been possessed by a Brahmaraakshasa (a specific ghost resulting from the death of a Vedic scholar, who does not donate his knowledge to others).

My father conducted several forms of worship through the Vedic hymns to send the ghost from Me. I told My father that the ghost is none but Lord Dattatreya, who composed the Vedas. I wrote about 100 books in Sanskrit on spiritual knowledge by the age of 16 yrs. I liked to study Sanskrit in My education. My mother forced Me to study science, which gives better livelihood. The will of the Lord is that I should study science so that I can preach the spiritual knowledge in a scientific way. In the recent times, the Lord told Me this when I asked Him the reason to force Me in to the line of science in My education. He also told that there was no need of Sanskrit since He has already injected that in to My brain in the childhood. In this way, the miracle of the foundation of this programme occurred in My case. All this information shows that God takes all the care for His divine programme fixed in His will.
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dattaswami wrote: Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:14 am
I never believed when the Lord appeared before Me and told that He is going to give the best and highest spiritual knowledge through Me, even though the Lord showed Me the clear vision of His entry in to Me. I thought that the vision might have been by imagination. Yet, that vision was unique since when I touched His feet, the feet were part of the materialized body as experienced through My touch. Generally, the visions are of energetic forms only. But, that vision was unique due to the experience of materialistic touch with My hands. Still, I thought that My such experience was also imaginary. But, after the emission of this excellent and unimaginable knowledge, I confirmed that My vision was true.

The form of Lord Dattatreya was in the form of Bhagavan Shri Satya Sai Baba as a boy of 16 yrs sitting on silver throne, who was alive at that time indicating the importance of contemporary human incarnation. The Lord told Me that He selected Me for the propagation of this special spiritual knowledge. I told with extreme surprise “Me...!, who is just a professor of chemistry teaching EAMCET and IIT entrance coaching...! while several divine saints are available for this purpose...!”. The Lord said that there is no better deserving person than Me! I thought that the Lord is testing My ego and diverted the conservation to some spiritual concepts. The whole vision lasted for about 30 minutes. Some may not like Shri Baba and hence, I did not often tell this incident since this incident is not so important as the spiritual knowledge given to us, which alone can guide us to the goal.
You're a bigger fibber than Walker, dattaswami. :?
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