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I have the same problem communicating with others too.
When the desire to make this all about me is demanded, that's when the blank slate of presence fills itself up until full filled.
Ah this is where TRUE LOVE comes into the picture.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 10:17 amYes, all these things you have mentioned do make sense to me.Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 9:46 amWe attempt to do it.
To me, the word 'love' just refers to either;
That 'feeling' you 'get' when it does NOT matter where you are NOR what you are doing, but you just want to SHARE that 'experience' WITH someone. And, it is that 'feeling' you have with WANTING to be with those "others" or 'other', which is what the 'love' word could refer to. Have you EVER 'experienced' 'this feeling'. Some refer to it as also a 'warm and/or fuzzy feeling within'.
That 'feeling' that you 'have' when you just want to PLEASE "another" or when you just to make them 'feel Truly happy, content, wanted, and/or belonging.
Or,
That 'feeling' that you 'have' when it does NOT matter what "another" would say or do, you would still WANT to BE with them and/or SHARE living and being alive with them.
Do ANY of these make ANY sense AT ALL to you?
(It does not matter if they do not because some people NEVER REALLY get to experience these things. Or, some do but they happened in life when they were NOT YET AWARE enough to notice these feelings.)
I have experienced these things you’ve mentioned, so they make sense to the one who is experiencing them, that being me.
But how can two people have the exact same feelings they have with themselves with another person as well, and it last forever?
This is getting very 'deep', as some would say.
If 'you' have 'experienced' 'it' once, then it was 'real' was is not?
That's a fine piece of romantic fiction, you should send it to Mills and Boon.Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:39 pm
If 'you' have 'experienced' 'it' once, then it was 'real' was is not?
If 'it' was 'real', then it could be said that 'that experience' [of love] was 'reality'. But if you are meaning that you would 'love' it to be a 'reality' as a 'forever feeling', then that is another thing. Which, very sad to say, 'me' and you', "dontaskme", may NEVER get to 'experience'. It all depends on just how QUICKLY I am ABLE TO LEARN how to communicate better, with 'you', human beings. But in saying that, just KNOW 'your children and/or grandchildren' WILL get to 'experience' 'that', which is the MOST IMPORTANT thing here. 'me' and 'you' are just BEING USED here for the BETTERMENT of the future ones. So, ALL is good, Right, and PERFECT here.
Now, as for WHAT TRUE LOVE IS, EXACTLY, and HOW 'IT' plays a part, and works, in the ever-lasting 'experience' of 'feeling' those ways, you just have to realize that 'love', in those senses that I described before was just in relation to 'emotional feelings' and NOT in relation to DOING or BEHAVING. (It is some thing to do with 'nouns', 'adjectives', or 'adverbs' or something like that. I NEVER did, NOR have YET, learned how to communicate PROPERLY.)
But anyway, to 'experience' those 'feelings', of that 'love feeling' or 'love sensation', then they came from 'feeling' ACCEPTED for WHO 'you' ARE, and for being WANTED, in Life. Which just relates to 'belonging' and 'listening'. For example, when one is being Truly LISTENED TO, and HEARD, then they ARE FEELING WANTED, and being ACCEPTED for WHO they Truly ARE.
See, that last 'feeling' that I expressed above, MOST human babies are on the other side of 'this experience', and so 'experience' this 'feeling', but because they are so young to be Truly AWARE of what is happening, and because 'this' just come Truly Natural from most parents, they are NOT consciously aware of it. See, those babies who are lucky enough to 'experience' that 'loving feeling' do, when they are just being hugged and fed. When it does NOT matter what you "say" or do, and "another" still WANTS to BE with 'you', and WANTS to SHARE their life with you, CARING and GUIDING you, then you are 'experiencing', first hand, the result of that last sense of 'love' above. Most babies who get to 'experience' this 'feeling', however, just take it for granted though. As they grow up 'experiencing' 'that feeling' as just being a VERY normal and a VERY Natural part of life, they do NOT realize just how PRECIOUS 'it' REALLY IS. Which, OBVIOUSLY, would be the BEST or IDEAL way of life, and one that absolutely EVERY one WANTS and DESIRES.
Now, before I get to more DISTRACTED, that 'unconditional love' 'feeling' is 'experienced' when one just WANTS 'you', for WHO 'you' ARE, 'unconditionally'. This happens to most babies and young children. BUT, to receive and have 'this experience' one HAS TO BE Trusted, Respected, Understood, and Empathized, with absolute Loyalty (Honesty), Openness, and Voluntary Enthusiasm. This is TRUE LOVE. And, ONLY when one has
Trust,
Respect,
Understanding,
Empathy,
with
Loyalty
Openness, and
Voluntary
Enthusiasm
with AND for ''another'', then one CAN 'experience' what TRUE LOVE, really is.
Now, to be ABLE TO obtain and have this LOVE for "another", then the BEST WAY is to LEARN IT from "others". But because NO one HAS OBTAINED this YET, human beings are just STILL EVOLVING INTO 'this'.
To be ABLE TO live in 'a world' 'feeling' and 'experiencing' this KIND of TRUE LOVE, ALWAYS or FOREVER MORE, then absolutely EVERY one HAS TO have 'experienced' and thus 'obtained' TRUE LOVE "themselves", and then HAVE TRUE LOVE FOR, and WITH, EVERY one.
MOST human beings 'experience' that 'love', as babies.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 11:18 amWhen the desire to make this all about me is demanded, that's when the blank slate of presence fills itself up until full filled.
What I want to know is what it is we think we know is real. And I can only find out what is real, via it's concept which is usually manifested as words that are then exchanged between two people.
I do not need to use words to feel the love of my cat. My cat that stays loyal to me, unconditionally, and enjoys my company, even when I call it a black bastard. I want to know about that kind of love, the love that does not judge me.
But that is NOT God saying that. That is just what SOME human beings WILL, and DID, TELL you.
If you have even 'experienced' indigenous lives, BEFORE they were influenced by "outsiders", then they do NOT 'have to' tell each other that they love each other. This is because besides NOT being 'needed' because they were WITH each other ALL THE TIME looking after, caring, and guiding each other, INSTEAD of being away from each other CHASING AFTER MORE 'money', then ALSO had NO comprehension of the 'love' word. Well as far as I know anyway. And, considering just how LITTLE people REALLY KNOW about, What 'love' is, EXACTLY'? in the days when this was being written, then there 'love' word would have been absolutely UNNECESSARY as it seemingly WAS and IS, in the days when this is being written.
LOL 'Proving' 'it' with words WILL NEVER WORK. Especially when one's behaviors SHOW and REVEAL the EXACT OPPOSITE.
Okay. I will think about it, but in the meantime considering we are in a philosophy forum, IF there is ANY 'fault', 'fallacy', 'incorrectness', or 'wrongness' you have NOTICED in what I SAID and WROTE here, how about you POINT 'it/them' OUT, and then EXPLAIN WHY 'you' SEE what you do.Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:01 pmThat's a fine piece of romantic fiction, you should send it to Mills and Boon.Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:39 pm
If 'you' have 'experienced' 'it' once, then it was 'real' was is not?
If 'it' was 'real', then it could be said that 'that experience' [of love] was 'reality'. But if you are meaning that you would 'love' it to be a 'reality' as a 'forever feeling', then that is another thing. Which, very sad to say, 'me' and you', "dontaskme", may NEVER get to 'experience'. It all depends on just how QUICKLY I am ABLE TO LEARN how to communicate better, with 'you', human beings. But in saying that, just KNOW 'your children and/or grandchildren' WILL get to 'experience' 'that', which is the MOST IMPORTANT thing here. 'me' and 'you' are just BEING USED here for the BETTERMENT of the future ones. So, ALL is good, Right, and PERFECT here.
Now, as for WHAT TRUE LOVE IS, EXACTLY, and HOW 'IT' plays a part, and works, in the ever-lasting 'experience' of 'feeling' those ways, you just have to realize that 'love', in those senses that I described before was just in relation to 'emotional feelings' and NOT in relation to DOING or BEHAVING. (It is some thing to do with 'nouns', 'adjectives', or 'adverbs' or something like that. I NEVER did, NOR have YET, learned how to communicate PROPERLY.)
But anyway, to 'experience' those 'feelings', of that 'love feeling' or 'love sensation', then they came from 'feeling' ACCEPTED for WHO 'you' ARE, and for being WANTED, in Life. Which just relates to 'belonging' and 'listening'. For example, when one is being Truly LISTENED TO, and HEARD, then they ARE FEELING WANTED, and being ACCEPTED for WHO they Truly ARE.
See, that last 'feeling' that I expressed above, MOST human babies are on the other side of 'this experience', and so 'experience' this 'feeling', but because they are so young to be Truly AWARE of what is happening, and because 'this' just come Truly Natural from most parents, they are NOT consciously aware of it. See, those babies who are lucky enough to 'experience' that 'loving feeling' do, when they are just being hugged and fed. When it does NOT matter what you "say" or do, and "another" still WANTS to BE with 'you', and WANTS to SHARE their life with you, CARING and GUIDING you, then you are 'experiencing', first hand, the result of that last sense of 'love' above. Most babies who get to 'experience' this 'feeling', however, just take it for granted though. As they grow up 'experiencing' 'that feeling' as just being a VERY normal and a VERY Natural part of life, they do NOT realize just how PRECIOUS 'it' REALLY IS. Which, OBVIOUSLY, would be the BEST or IDEAL way of life, and one that absolutely EVERY one WANTS and DESIRES.
Now, before I get to more DISTRACTED, that 'unconditional love' 'feeling' is 'experienced' when one just WANTS 'you', for WHO 'you' ARE, 'unconditionally'. This happens to most babies and young children. BUT, to receive and have 'this experience' one HAS TO BE Trusted, Respected, Understood, and Empathized, with absolute Loyalty (Honesty), Openness, and Voluntary Enthusiasm. This is TRUE LOVE. And, ONLY when one has
Trust,
Respect,
Understanding,
Empathy,
with
Loyalty
Openness, and
Voluntary
Enthusiasm
with AND for ''another'', then one CAN 'experience' what TRUE LOVE, really is.
Now, to be ABLE TO obtain and have this LOVE for "another", then the BEST WAY is to LEARN IT from "others". But because NO one HAS OBTAINED this YET, human beings are just STILL EVOLVING INTO 'this'.
To be ABLE TO live in 'a world' 'feeling' and 'experiencing' this KIND of TRUE LOVE, ALWAYS or FOREVER MORE, then absolutely EVERY one HAS TO have 'experienced' and thus 'obtained' TRUE LOVE "themselves", and then HAVE TRUE LOVE FOR, and WITH, EVERY one.
I just saw it as your personal feelings about your experience of love, and it only means anything to you. It is neither right nor wrong in any sense that I am in a position to judge. The type of language you used is not really my cup of tea, but that is neither here nor there. I guess I'm not as romantic as you.Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:21 pm Okay. I will think about it, but in the meantime considering we are in a philosophy forum, IF there is ANY 'fault', 'fallacy', 'incorrectness', or 'wrongness' you have NOTICED in what I SAID and WROTE here, how about you POINT 'it/them' OUT, and then EXPLAIN WHY 'you' SEE what you do.
But there is absolutely NOTHING 'romantic' in there, NOR about it, AT ALL.Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:41 pmI just saw it as your personal feelings about your experience of love, and it only means anything to you. It is neither right nor wrong in any sense that I am in a position to judge. The type of language you used is not really my cup of tea, but that is neither here nor there. I guess I'm not as romantic as you.Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:21 pm Okay. I will think about it, but in the meantime considering we are in a philosophy forum, IF there is ANY 'fault', 'fallacy', 'incorrectness', or 'wrongness' you have NOTICED in what I SAID and WROTE here, how about you POINT 'it/them' OUT, and then EXPLAIN WHY 'you' SEE what you do.
Yes Age, all of what you have said here makes perfect sense to me. I also agree with everything you have said about what is true LOVEAge wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:39 pmAh this is where TRUE LOVE comes into the picture.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 10:17 amYes, all these things you have mentioned do make sense to me.Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 9:46 am
We attempt to do it.
To me, the word 'love' just refers to either;
That 'feeling' you 'get' when it does NOT matter where you are NOR what you are doing, but you just want to SHARE that 'experience' WITH someone. And, it is that 'feeling' you have with WANTING to be with those "others" or 'other', which is what the 'love' word could refer to. Have you EVER 'experienced' 'this feeling'. Some refer to it as also a 'warm and/or fuzzy feeling within'.
That 'feeling' that you 'have' when you just want to PLEASE "another" or when you just to make them 'feel Truly happy, content, wanted, and/or belonging.
Or,
That 'feeling' that you 'have' when it does NOT matter what "another" would say or do, you would still WANT to BE with them and/or SHARE living and being alive with them.
Do ANY of these make ANY sense AT ALL to you?
(It does not matter if they do not because some people NEVER REALLY get to experience these things. Or, some do but they happened in life when they were NOT YET AWARE enough to notice these feelings.)
I have experienced these things you’ve mentioned, so they make sense to the one who is experiencing them, that being me.
But how can two people have the exact same feelings they have with themselves with another person as well, and it last forever?
This is getting very 'deep', as some would say.
The 'I', which is WITHIN, BOTH of the human beings known here as "dontaskme" and "age", and WITHIN EVERY other human beings, has been, in a sense, reciprocating with Itself.
If 'you' have 'experienced' 'it' once, then it was 'real' was is not?
If 'it' was 'real', then it could be said that 'that experience' [of love] was 'reality'. But if you are meaning that you would 'love' it to be a 'reality' as a 'forever feeling', then that is another thing. Which, very sad to say, 'me' and you', "dontaskme", may NEVER get to 'experience'. It all depends on just how QUICKLY I am ABLE TO LEARN how to communicate better, with 'you', human beings. But in saying that, just KNOW 'your children and/or grandchildren' WILL get to 'experience' 'that', which is the MOST IMPORTANT thing here. 'me' and 'you' are just BEING USED here for the BETTERMENT of the future ones. So, ALL is good, Right, and PERFECT here.
Now, as for WHAT TRUE LOVE IS, EXACTLY, and HOW 'IT' plays a part, and works, in the ever-lasting 'experience' of 'feeling' those ways, you just have to realize that 'love', in those senses that I described before was just in relation to 'emotional feelings' and NOT in relation to DOING or BEHAVING. (It is some thing to do with 'nouns', 'adjectives', or 'adverbs' or something like that. I NEVER did, NOR have YET, learned how to communicate PROPERLY.)
But anyway, to 'experience' those 'feelings', of that 'love feeling' or 'love sensation', then they came from 'feeling' ACCEPTED for WHO 'you' ARE, and for being WANTED, in Life. Which just relates to 'belonging' and 'listening'. For example, when one is being Truly LISTENED TO, and HEARD, then they ARE FEELING WANTED, and being ACCEPTED for WHO they Truly ARE.
See, that last 'feeling' that I expressed above, MOST human babies are on the other side of 'this experience', and so 'experience' this 'feeling', but because they are so young to be Truly AWARE of what is happening, and because 'this' just come Truly Natural from most parents, they are NOT consciously aware of it. See, those babies who are lucky enough to 'experience' that 'loving feeling' do, when they are just being hugged and fed. When it does NOT matter what you "say" or do, and "another" still WANTS to BE with 'you', and WANTS to SHARE their life with you, CARING and GUIDING you, then you are 'experiencing', first hand, the result of that last sense of 'love' above. Most babies who get to 'experience' this 'feeling', however, just take it for granted though. As they grow up 'experiencing' 'that feeling' as just being a VERY normal and a VERY Natural part of life, they do NOT realize just how PRECIOUS 'it' REALLY IS. Which, OBVIOUSLY, would be the BEST or IDEAL way of life, and one that absolutely EVERY one WANTS and DESIRES.
Now, before I get to more DISTRACTED, that 'unconditional love' 'feeling' is 'experienced' when one just WANTS 'you', for WHO 'you' ARE, 'unconditionally'. This happens to most babies and young children. BUT, to receive and have 'this experience' one HAS TO BE Trusted, Respected, Understood, and Empathized, with absolute Loyalty (Honesty), Openness, and Voluntary Enthusiasm. This is TRUE LOVE. And, ONLY when one has
Trust,
Respect,
Understanding,
Empathy,
with
Loyalty
Openness, and
Voluntary
Enthusiasm
with AND for ''another'', then one CAN 'experience' what TRUE LOVE, really is.
Now, to be ABLE TO obtain and have this LOVE for "another", then the BEST WAY is to LEARN IT from "others". But because NO one HAS OBTAINED this YET, human beings are just STILL EVOLVING INTO 'this'.
To be ABLE TO live in 'a world' 'feeling' and 'experiencing' this KIND of TRUE LOVE, ALWAYS or FOREVER MORE, then absolutely EVERY one HAS TO have 'experienced' and thus 'obtained' TRUE LOVE "themselves", and then HAVE TRUE LOVE FOR, and WITH, EVERY one.
But before I begin to keep WAFFLING ON, ANYMORE, does ANY of this here make ANY sense AT ALL to you?
You think so perhaps because you take the Cosmos for granted.
Well it's certainly true that I do take the Cosmos for granted.
It is by me.
It's not really a gift if it can be taken back, is it?