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Now I can go to bed happy.

Conservative Republicans want stability, abhor progressive changes, and would like the world to be like it was circa 1950 in America.

Back then gays were in the closet, women were in the kitchen and blacks were in their place, making it easier for Conservatives to suppress anything that challenged their comfort zone, firmly anchored in white male power.

Conservative Republicans today don’t feel safe in a world where gays are free to be themselves, women are free to have careers and minorities are free to celebrate their uniqueness. A tribal kind of fear is what fuels the righteous indignation of Conservatives and the hatred found among Republicans.

It is the duty of us wokies to understand Republicans in the same way that we empathize with those who are targets of Republican ire. Republicans are not to be pitied, but rather to be given kind consideration.

Someday Republicans will give kind consideration to others, if they are accepted lovingly today.

Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:24 am Now I can go to bed happy.

If you can sleep in the heat. I hear it's pretty unbearable at the moment.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:52 pm It doesn't matter if individuals don't like people for whatever reason. Heck. Humans hate each other anyway.

Here we have the reason WHY, back in those days when this was being written, adult human beings fought and warred with each other, while at the same time killing each other.

'Hate' became, and had, a very big impact on the way those adult human beings thought, and thus then misbehaved.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:52 pm What matters is equal rights in the eyes of the law.

But laws are written by human beings, and as you so rightly POINTED OUT 'you', human beings, just HATE each other anyway.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:52 pm A politician can personally be anti-choice but vote pro-choice.

ALL human beings are absolutely FREE to 'vote' for whatever they like.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:52 pm 'Homophobia' is such a stupid, over-used word anyway.

REALLY?

What word do you subscribe to and use?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:52 pm It means 'fear of men'.

REALLY?

I thought that word was more about having a dislike of or a prejudice against human beings who like having sex with human beings of the same gender.

I did NOT know that if a child, female, or male was, let us say for example was afraid because they were just about to get raped or be attacked by a man or by men, then that fear that child, female, or male is experiencing is just 'homophobia', itself.

I could now say, 'you learn something new everyday', but that too could be just another stupid, over-used saying, term, or phrase, as well.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:52 pm doubt if fear is what motivates some people to dislike them. Some women genuinely fear men, and for good reason, so you could use that word to describe 'them', otherwise it's just another overused-until-it's-meaningless word that wokies use to silence anyone who doesn't follow the exact rules of their manifesto.

Do some men genuinely fear women, and if so, for good reason also?

Or, does this only work one way?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 10:17 pm And what about gay men who are misogynistic? Men who call women 'bitches' instead of 'women'? Lesbians who don't like straight women? And what kind of person sticks their penis in a hole in a public toilet? Am I supposed to like someone like that?
As for 'inter racial' marriage--I'm pretty sure that ship sailed a very long time ago
Funny how wokies are always insisting that there is 'no such thing as race', yet they are the ones who are constantly using the word

What about the ones who HATE those so-called 'wokie' things, is there a name or label for them yet?

commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:39 am Conservative Republicans want stability, abhor progressive changes, and would like the world to be like it was circa 1950 in America.

Back then gays were in the closet, women were in the kitchen and blacks were in their place, making it easier for Conservatives to suppress anything that challenged their comfort zone, firmly anchored in white male power.

Conservative Republicans today don’t feel safe in a world where gays are free to be themselves, women are free to have careers and minorities are free to celebrate their uniqueness. A tribal kind of fear is what fuels the righteous indignation of Conservatives and the hatred found among Republicans.

It is the duty of us wokies to understand Republicans in the same way that we empathize with those who are targets of Republican ire. Republicans are not to be pitied, but rather to be given kind consideration.

Someday Republicans will give kind consideration to others, if they are accepted lovingly today.

As usual 'your' 'commonsense' remarks shine through brightly, "commonsense".

What I have observed and found is that EACH and EVERY one of these names or labels is PLACED UPON just ANOTHER 'human being'.

REALLY, all that is taking place here is just that EVERY one of these 'names' is just an Incorrect 'label' placed on a 'human being', with DIFFERENT 'thoughts'. Of which EVERY 'human being' just has DIFFERENT 'thoughts' Naturally, and logically.

Instead of placing ANY 'label' onto ANY 'human being' I just SEE ALL of 'you', human beings, as THE SAME, that being just 'a human being', WITH different 'thoughts' and 'thinking' within. That way I do NOT and can NOT 'judge'.

There's that high-pitched squeaking again. This site needs a squirt of CRC.

"i think I'm going to stop with this now, VT, your vibes feel a bit negative."

no dude she's going along with the joke. she doesn't really think you've ever stuck your willy in a toilet.

jesus man you said something really funny earlier, taxi played along to give you the set up, and you totally botched it and turned the tone into something dreadfully serious. you hear that awkward silence? yeah harb, that's all u, bro. u did that.

"And what kind of person sticks their penis in a hole in a public toilet?"

Wait a minute you're talking about that glory hole shit i think it's called, arncha? On the first read I thought 'sticking your unit in a toilet must be some kind of strange fetish I ain't never heard of' and thought nothing more of it. Now I see what you meant.

Okay nevermind but the joke was still funny in either case.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:40 am If you can sleep in the heat. I hear it's pretty unbearable at the moment.

It's cooled down a bit now. Tuesday was the worst, we don't get heat like that vey often, I'm glad to say.

Congratulations!!!


Your thread has been nominated for The Tautology of the Week Award

Just noticed it says 'homophibic'

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:24 pm 157 out of 213 Republicans voted against the Respect for Marriage Act.

They didn't have to vote fot it; or against it - they had the option to abstain.

75% of Republicans are actively against the legality of same sex and interracial marriages.

How can we keep pretending that racism and homophibia aren't the defining characteristics of the Republican party?

What has that vote have to do with Racism at all? And, myself having none whatsoever problem with who marries who, the US Republican stance has always appeared to be that a conservative one, that the traditional marriage construct is the one that gives stability and works best for society. While only partially agreeing, I see no homphobia in that, just a statement that same sex marriages is not beneficial for society. Which of course do not rule out that congressmen and others have personal objections.

Heck, being far left of democrats as a slightly left wing Scandinavian, I have no personal love for same sex connections. On an intellectual plane and as far as legislation goes I strongly support all rights, have personally helped friends to come out of the cupboard(closet? My english fails me here) and cherish the happiness they get. But I hate to see any intimacy between persons of the same sex. If thats homophobia I am homophobic. Simply do not like it. But my likes and dislikes should not rule the world.

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:32 am

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:24 pm 157 out of 213 Republicans voted against the Respect for Marriage Act.

They didn't have to vote fot it; or against it - they had the option to abstain.

75% of Republicans are actively against the legality of same sex and interracial marriages.

How can we keep pretending that racism and homophibia aren't the defining characteristics of the Republican party?

What has that vote have to do with Racism at all? And, myself having none whatsoever problem with who marries who, the US Republican stance has always appeared to be that a conservative one, that the traditional marriage construct is the one that gives stability and works best for society. While only partially agreeing, I see no homphobia in that, just a statement that same sex marriages is not beneficial for society. Which of course do not rule out that congressmen and others have personal objections.

Heck, being far left of democrats as a slightly left wing Scandinavian, I have no personal love for same sex connections. On an intellectual plane and as far as legislation goes I strongly support all rights, have personally helped friends to come out of the cupboard(closet? My english fails me here) and cherish the happiness they get. But I hate to see any intimacy between persons of the same sex. If thats homophobia I am homophobic.

To me, 'homophobia' is NOT the dislike NOR hate of seeing or watching same sex human beings being intimate nor just hating nor disliking the 'behavior' itself. 'Homophia' is NOT liking or hating the 'people' who engage in those 'behaviors'.

These are two VERY DIFFERENT things.

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:32 am Simply do not like it.

Most people probably do NOT like the 'behavior' enough to engage in.

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:32 am But my likes and dislikes should not rule the world.

We certainly hope that your likes and dislikes should not, and will not, 'rule the world'.

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:32 am What has that vote have to do with Racism at all?

Somebody doesn't understand how revealed preference works. It has everything to do with voting behavior.

When I feel strongly for something - I support it.
When I feel strongly against something - I oppose it.
When I have no strong feelings either way - I abstain from taking a side on the issue.

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:32 am And, myself having none whatsoever problem with who marries who

Precisely. So if I made you vote on the issue - you could abstain from taking a side. Thus letting the matter be decided by those who are negatively affected by (and therefore feel strongly about) the issue.

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:32 am the US Republican stance has always appeared to be that a conservative one, that the traditional marriage construct is the one that gives stability and works best for society.

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:32 am While only partially agreeing, I see no homphobia in that, just a statement that same sex marriages is not beneficial for society.

Why are you addressing only half of the issue here?

Marriage between people with different genitals is legally recognized.
Marriage between people with the same genitals is not legally recognized.

If you are climing that the latter is "not beneficial to society" the onus to justify that claim is on you.

Marriage between people of the same races is legally recognises.
Marriage between people of different races is actively opposed by Republicans.

If you are climing that the latter is "not beneficial to society" the onus to justify that claim is on you.

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:32 am Which of course do not rule out that congressmen and others have personal objections.

Precisely the point!

The lack of personal objection to people of same race marying + the presence of personal objection to people of different races marrying is what we call "racism".

The lack of personal objection to people of different genitals marrying + the presence of personal objection to people of the same genitals marrying is what we call "homophobia".

Ansiktsburk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:32 am Heck, being far left of democrats as a slightly left wing Scandinavian, I have no personal love for same sex connections. On an intellectual plane and as far as legislation goes I strongly support all rights, have personally helped friends to come out of the cupboard(closet? My english fails me here) and cherish the happiness they get. But I hate to see any intimacy between persons of the same sex. If thats homophobia I am homophobic. Simply do not like it. But my likes and dislikes should not rule the world.

Yes. It's homophobia. And precisely that your likes and dislikes should not rule the world.

When you recognize that your likes and dislikes should not rule the world you abstain from voting. That's what grown ups do.
When you fail to recognize that your likes and dislikes should rule the world - you vote whichever you feel. That's what Republicans do.