Indoctrinations and philosophy

[bobmax]

I have examined or search for god for 40 years... and I couldn't
find any proof for god... if you have any type of proof for god, I would love to hear it...

How can you think of finding proof of what grounds every possible proof?

Only you, in perfect solitude, with nothing absolutely "true" to cling to, can tell if God is.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Iwannaplato:

''Well, actually bloodletting may very well have helped against some infections
And I think the pharmacological approach to modulating emotions will go the way of the barber. Unless the transhumanists take over.''

K: this the second time you have mentioned ''transhumanists''..
could you elaborate?

Kropotkin

[Peter Kropotkin]

I have examined or search for god for 40 years... and I couldn't
find any proof for god... if you have any type of proof for god, I would love to hear it...''

BM: ''How can you think of finding proof of what grounds every possible proof?
Only you, in perfect solitude, with nothing absolutely "true" to cling to, can tell if God is.''

K: I am sure the failure is mine, but this statement isn't clear to me...

Kropotkin

[bobmax]

Peter Kropotkin,

What does it mean to prove?

To prove something, isn't it necessary to rely on something else that is taken for granted?

But if there is nothing else, because is it impossible for there to be anything else, do we not necessarily have to turn to ourselves?

There is a profound difference between existing and being.

To exist is to be there.
While being does not exist, there is not, being is.

If you seek the being, that is the Truth, only within you can you find it.

In fact you are being!
What else would you ever be?

[Peter Kropotkin]

Peter Kropotkin,

What does it mean to prove?

To prove something, isn't it necessary to rely on something else that is taken for granted?

But if there is nothing else, because is it impossible for there to be anything else, do we not necessarily have to turn to ourselves?

There is a profound difference between existing and being.

To exist is to be there.
While being does not exist, there is not, being is.

If you seek the being, that is the Truth, only within you can you find it.

In fact you are being!
What else would you ever be?

K: you say there is a difference between being and existence, but
you also seem to use the words interchangeably..

if you could be so kind as to specifically lay out the difference between
being and existence, that would help...

Kropotkin

[bobmax]

K: you say there is a difference between being and existence, but
you also seem to use the words interchangeably..

if you could be so kind as to specifically lay out the difference between
being and existence, that would help...

Existence is being there.

That is, downstream of the original subject-object split.

While being is what lies behind this split.

Being is not there.
Being is.

And since it does not exist, being coincides with nothingness.
God = Being = Nothing

As existences, we are there, but we are not.

While God is not there, because God is!

[Peter Kropotkin]

K: you say there is a difference between being and existence, but
you also seem to use the words interchangeably..

if you could be so kind as to specifically lay out the difference between
being and existence, that would help...

Existence is being there.

That is, downstream of the original subject-object split.

While being is what lies behind this split.

Being is not there.
Being is.

And since it does not exist, being coincides with nothingness.
God = Being = Nothing

As existences, we are there, but we are not.

While God is not there, because God is!

K: OK, I'm a little confused.. at first you say, "being is"
than you say, "God=being=nothing..
and then this, "as existences we are there, but we are not"
and then, ''While god is not there, because god is!"

if you are trying to be vague and ambiguous and fuzzy,
you are there... if you want to be clear and distinct
and definite, you are not there...

I have a dislike of those who are unable to make themselves very clear
and obvious.. I write for a 12 year old.. I make everything I write
understandable to someone who is 12...

as Einstein once said, or not,

"If you can't explain it to a 12-year-old,
you don't understand it yourself"

Words to live by...

Kropotkin

[bobmax]

K: OK, I'm a little confused.. at first you say, "being is"
than you say, "God=being=nothing..
and then this, "as existences we are there, but we are not"
and then, ''While god is not there, because god is!"

if you are trying to be vague and ambiguous and fuzzy,
you are there... if you want to be clear and distinct
and definite, you are not there...

I have a dislike of those who are unable to make themselves very clear
and obvious.. I write for a 12 year old.. I make everything I write
understandable to someone who is 12...

as Einstein once said, or not,

"If you can't explain it to a 12-year-old,
you don't understand it yourself"

I don't think I'm ambiguous.

Rather, it does not seem to me that you are addressing the substantial difference between existing and being.

The simple is always difficult.
It takes great effort.

Even more so if you want the obvious to be said.
Quite the opposite of a twelve year old...

Regarding being there or being, that "there" needs to be figured out.

[Iwannaplato]

Iwannaplato:

''Well, actually bloodletting may very well have helped against some infections
And I think the pharmacological approach to modulating emotions will go the way of the barber. Unless the transhumanists take over.''

K: this the second time you have mentioned ''transhumanists''..
could you elaborate?

Kropotkin

On the transhumanists? Well, there are many of them who see transhumanism as a way to transcend all human problems. Yes, end death perhaps or delay it incredibly, all give us all sorts of cognitive adn physical powers. But beyond that there is the urge to tweak us emotionally. Remove our own self-obstacles, those 'negative' emotions, for example. IOW transhumanism may may pharmcological approached to suppressing emotions obselete. I hope it's clear I am skeptical in the extreme that this will be positive.

[Iwannaplato]

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:23 pm
I have examined or search for god for 40 years... and I couldn't
find any proof for god..''

How did you examine or search for God. I mean, what methods?

[Peter Kropotkin]

Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:23 pm
I have examined or search for god for 40 years... and I couldn't
find any proof for god..''

How did you examine or search for God. I mean, what methods?

K: and no matter what I answered, I will be wrong, so no, I am not
going to engage in this game...I have seen this one before..

Kropotkin

[Iwannaplato]

K: and no matter what I answered, I will be wrong, so no, I am not
going to engage in this game...I have seen this one before..
Kropotkin

Ah, you think you are a psychic. In any case, it might be best in a philosophy forum to not present things (implicitly) as arguments when you have no interest in explaining them.