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Interesting.

Infinity and I,
share the same clue.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:05 pm Interesting.

Infinity and I,
share the same clue.

Every clue is clueless.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:13 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:05 pm Interesting.

Infinity and I,
share the same clue.

Every clue is clueless.

Interesting.
You and a rock share the same clue to infinity.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:13 am The clue to infinity is not that you do not know - you can't
The key here is that you can NEVER know. You could live to eternally but you would never be able to verify if the universe never ends, because there can be no point in time to make that determination.
So is the universe infinite? The answer can only be "no" or "maybe", it can never be "yes".

I think it's really not infinity, but the idea that the universe has no beginning or end that is the fact. I do not think it is possible for existence ever to not have been or ever to not be. It may all change, but that there, "is nothing," is a self-contradiction.

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:23 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:13 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:05 pm Interesting.

Infinity and I,
share the same clue.

Every clue is clueless.

Interesting.
You and a rock share the same clue to infinity.

Concepts known are imagined mentally constructed ideas.

In reality, there is no you and there is no rock.

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:12 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:13 am The clue to infinity is not that you do not know - you can't
The key here is that you can NEVER know. You could live to eternally but you would never be able to verify if the universe never ends, because there can be no point in time to make that determination.
So is the universe infinite? The answer can only be "no" or "maybe", it can never be "yes".

I think it's really not infinity, but the idea that the universe has no beginning or end that is the fact. I do not think it is possible for existence ever to not have been or ever to not be. It may all change, but that there, "is nothing," is a self-contradiction.

There are two things wrong with this.

1) You are expressing an opinion based on your inability to imagine. I think it very likely that there may be many things in the universe which you or I are not capable of imagining.
2) The empirical evidence as it stands says that there is, in fact, a beginning, and that an end is inferred from what is known.

There is no "proof" as such since we cannot do a double blind comparison with some other universe.

If there is no God and there is a beginning with nothing then everything started from nothing without any intervention.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:33 pm

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:12 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:13 am The clue to infinity is not that you do not know - you can't
The key here is that you can NEVER know. You could live to eternally but you would never be able to verify if the universe never ends, because there can be no point in time to make that determination.
So is the universe infinite? The answer can only be "no" or "maybe", it can never be "yes".

I think it's really not infinity, but the idea that the universe has no beginning or end that is the fact. I do not think it is possible for existence ever to not have been or ever to not be. It may all change, but that there, "is nothing," is a self-contradiction.

There are two things wrong with this.

1) You are expressing an opinion based on your inability to imagine. I think it very likely that there may be many things in the universe which you or I are not capable of imagining.
2) The empirical evidence as it stands says that there is, in fact, a beginning, and that an end is inferred from what is known.

There is no "proof" as such since we cannot do a double blind comparison with some other universe.

It's not my imagination, it's yours. It is purely logical. A thing cannot both be and not be. There cannot both be existence and not be existence. If there is existence, it is, and it is not possible that existence not be. If you imagine there could be a, "time," (or any other case) where there is no existence, logically, there could be no such time (or case), because there would be nothing, so there cannot be a time or any actual case where there is nothing. You can imagine nothing, but there cannot be nothing.

But, if you want to believe nothing is possible (with all the mysticism that opens the door to) it doesn't matter to me. Not trying to convince you, only explaining why I do not believe there cannot be nothing. If nothing else, I don't have to bother myself with all the cosmological and creation theories of origins.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:58 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 1:07 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:18 am

... 'DAM' is a known concept...the 'known' know nothing.

The 'known' can be pointed to as an imagined object of knowing (conceptualized).
The 'knower' cannot be pointed to, because NO 'conceptual object known' can have a 'Nondual Experience'

'Knowing' cannot be known because it's Infinitely ONE without a second.


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But ALL 'things' CAN BE and ARE ACTUALLY ALREADY KNOWN, including ALL of those 'things' that "dontaskme" CLAIMS can NOT be KNOWN.

By the way, 'WHERE did the Universe come from?', is just a MOOT question as the Universe did NOT come from ANY 'where'.

The Universe has ALWAYS been HERE-NOW.

Also, that question is NOT "the one question to all our answers", AT ALL, anyway.

The question, when answered properly and correct, which will provide ALL of the answers to all of "our" questions, and thus also provide ALL of the solutions to "our" problems is ACTUALLY 'very different'.

Where did the universe come from?

The Universe did NOT come "from" ANYWHERE.

This is absolutely IRREFUTABLE.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:58 am Is the one question to all our answers.

This is an absolutely IDIOTIC comment.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:58 am I do not know.

There is a LOT 'you' STILL do NOT YET KNOW "dontaskme".

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:26 am

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:32 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:13 am Where did the universe come from?

The universe store!

[Stupid question!]

Yes, it is a stupid question, because questions assume there is a 'someone' who questions it's existence. There is no one who can question existence because that would imply separation which is a stupid idea, in the sense infinity cannot be divided.

BUT, absolutely EVERY one of 'you', human beings, CAN question, absolutely ANY 'thing' for that matter. So, there are MANY 'things', which are named or referred to as 'you', human beings, who CAN question "your" existence. So, there ACTUALLY is MANY 'things' ACTUALLY questioning "their OWN existence" and questioning "Existence", Itself.

Therefore, what 'you' SAID here "dontaskme" was Wrong AND Incorrect, AGAIN.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:13 am The clue to infinity is not that you do not know - you can't
The key here is that you can NEVER know. You could live to eternally but you would never be able to verify if the universe never ends, because there can be no point in time to make that determination.
So is the universe infinite? The answer can only ne "no" or "maybe", it can never be "yes".

But thee one and ONLY True, Right, and IRREFUTABLY Correct answer IS, 'Yes'.

As this can be and will be PROVED True, and VERY SIMPLY and VERY EASILY I will add.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:58 am Where did the universe come from?

Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:43 amThe Universe did NOT come "from" ANYWHERE.

Answering a question assumes the questioner exists. Which brings me back to the main point of this thread...where does the questioner come from? is the one question to all our answers, because where there is a question there will be an answer. As you have already proved by answering the question.

The universe comes from the idea there is a universe. The universe is an imagined idea, it's a construction of consciousness that must exist infinitely forever else the question couldn't be answered. A concept imagined is possible only because consciousness is infinite and inseparable from it's known conceptual form. Being inseparable, a formed concept in and of itself knows nothing. Imagined things already exist within consciousness that can never be known because consciousness is already this immediate infinite knowing, one without a second. This is absolutely IRREFUTABLE. The 'who' Who questions it's existence Is the one question to all our answers and every answer will be consciousness one without a second..

What does the IDEA that is conceptually known as the ''universe'' look like? It looks like consciousness.
What does consciousness look like? it looks like a ''universe''.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:58 am I do not know.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:43 amThere is a LOT 'you' STILL do NOT YET KNOW "dontaskme".

Dontaskme is a concept known by consciousness the only knowing there is, and that which is conceptually known, knows nothing. I is a known concept, that cannot be known because concepts know nothing.

The clue to infinity is that it is not a ''someone'' or a ''something'' who knows...There is ONLY knowing..As consciousness, you are the knowing that cannot be known, there is only infinite consciousness one without a second..


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RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:56 am A thing cannot both be and not be.

If a 'thing' can be imagined, the imagined thing must already exist. In this context, everything that is, was, and will be, exists absolutely infinitely for eternity.

The knower of the thing and the thing itself are the same knowing, inseparably one without a second.

To assume 'a thing' (cannot be / and be ) is the illusion of division where there isn't any.. as the contents of consciousness is consciousness and no thing else. No thing is consciousness and consciousness is every thing.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:33 pm

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:12 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:13 am The clue to infinity is not that you do not know - you can't
The key here is that you can NEVER know. You could live to eternally but you would never be able to verify if the universe never ends, because there can be no point in time to make that determination.
So is the universe infinite? The answer can only be "no" or "maybe", it can never be "yes".

I think it's really not infinity, but the idea that the universe has no beginning or end that is the fact. I do not think it is possible for existence ever to not have been or ever to not be. It may all change, but that there, "is nothing," is a self-contradiction.

There are two things wrong with this.

1) You are expressing an opinion based on your inability to imagine.

No matter how much one IMAGINES, I have YET to hear of a 'logical' EXPLANATION of HOW Everything could be created, at one given moment.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:33 pm I think it very likely that there may be many things in the universe which you or I are not capable of imagining.

But, by 'definition', absolutely ANY 'thing' can be IMAGINED.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:33 pm 2) The empirical evidence as it stands says that there is, in fact, a beginning, and that an end is inferred from what is known.

Talk about IMAGININGS, AT WORK here.

There is absolutely NO empirical 'proof' AT ALL, AND, there is absolutely NO empirical 'evidence' AT ALL, EITHER. Some people, however, have very NARROWED views, and those one just INTERPRET the ACTUAL 'results' and 'data' as being "empirical evidence" for what they have ALREADY BELIEVED is true.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:33 pm There is no "proof" as such since we cannot do a double blind comparison with some other universe.

The ACTUAL 'proof' that thee one and ONLY Universe is 'eternal' is found within the sound and valid argument.

bahman wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:44 pm If there is no God and there is a beginning with nothing then everything started from nothing without any intervention.

Absolutely ALL of this sentence is NONSENSICAL, although each word, on its own, makes sense.