Re: living?
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:21 pm
Completely irrelevant, but I knew an old preacher many years ago who used to say:
"The automobile has divided between the quick and the dead."
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Re: living?
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:31 pm
"The automobile has divided between the quick and the dead."
Re: living?
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2022 11:32 pm
Re: living?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:11 am
Oh, really? I thought you had to be alive to form desires, objectives, ends and purposes. In order to be alive, certain needs must be met at regular intervals. If you have some alternative method, please share.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:19 pm Where there are no desires, there are no needs. Desires (objectives, goals, ends, and purposes) always precede needs.
Re: living?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:02 am
"Completely," is reserved for absolute references.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:31 pmCompletely irrelevant, but I knew an old preacher many years ago who used to say:
"The automobile has divided between the quick and the dead."
Relevance is found in, or linked to, the pre-cognitive commonalities that are inherent to human nature.
(Call it the water part of the broth flavour)
An aside to that is the influence of nurture that folks often mistake for, "choice."
Consider: the FBI employs clever people who can identify a stranger based on the stranger's "unconscious," choices.
Re: living?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:05 am
No sir *.
Not that.
Suffering results when an attachment ends, not by "choice", despite the desire that it not end.
Be it loss of home, or a beloved person or animal, or a precious possession, or a belief, or a delusion, (or a thread!), the suffering that follows the loss is caused by ... ignorance.
The ignorance is caused by emotionally (feelingly) attaching the quality of permanence, to what is intellectually known to be impermanent.
* Addressing you as sir,
which is the feeling to do,
speaks to the best in me,
to reach the same in you.
Re: living?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 1:23 pm
Not everyone who is alive desires to remain alive. Where have you been?Skip wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:11 amOh, really? I thought you had to be alive to form desires, objectives, ends and purposes. In order to be alive, certain needs must be met at regular intervals. If you have some alternative method, please share.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:19 pm Where there are no desires, there are no needs. Desires (objectives, goals, ends, and purposes) always precede needs.
Only those who desire to live, achieve, and be something need anything. Those who have no desire for anything, need nothing. What would they need it for?
Re: living?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:34 pm
When only one thing needs to be achieved, then the achievement of that one thing is all that is desired, and all actions point towards realizing that achievement.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Mar 05, 2022 3:19 pmWhere there are no desires, there are no needs. Desires (objectives, goals, ends, and purposes) always precede needs. Where there is no desire, and nothing is aspired to aimed at, nothing is needed. The individual who desires nothing, needs nothing--something is only needed as a means to some end. Nothing is needed if nothing is to be achieved.
Thus, all desires coalesce into that one desire, and all life force naturally directs towards that achievement.
Some needs of the individual, and society, require that singularity of focused energy.
*
After that one desire has been fulfilled, it's all gravy.
Re: living?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:22 pm
Re: living?
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:49 pm
I think it depends upon what is meant by "living" and what is meant by "desires". Some differentiate between "needs" and "desires" and some differentiate between "living" and "just existing".
Re: living?
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:35 am
Really? Examples abound.
How about, the need to stop an invader from slaughtering.
Re: living?
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:54 am
Stopping invaders from slaughtering is something you personally need?
If that's what you want, I suppose you need it, and I hope you get it.
Re: living?
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:33 am
After they've died, they will have no needs. Until they get up the nerve to off themselves, they need to breathe in air and breathe it out again, need to drink water and piss it out again. At a minimum.
Re: living?
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:19 am
You're too old to be playing dumb.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:54 amStopping invaders from slaughtering is something you personally need?
If that's what you want, I suppose you need it, and I hope you get it.
Your question did not imply that your question pertained to "personal" need.
As far as my personal needs go, wouldn't I be the fool to share personal values that define need with one who screws around playing dumb.
*
Regarding an example that pertains to the gist of desire ...
For Ukrainians, stopping invaders is currently an all-consuming need.
As such, all their needs have been put into one basket, have coalesced into one need.
Into one all-consuming, burning desire to be fulfilled.
Here's the important part for you to remember, and perhaps twist into some other meaning, as appears to be your wont.*
Such an all consuming desire, as the inferred experience of Ukrainians currently in the news, is not by their choice.
It is choiceless and as has been mentioned, and ignored ...
Choiceless loss causes suffering.
However, I've made my point and if you don't get it by now, your loss, Cisco.
You'll continue to live ... in ignorance.
* If your deliberate twisting is one of those old timer methods to elicit interaction, well, there's a good old-time response to such hubris and arrogance, oft' used in these environs.
Re: living?
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:32 pm
It is very difficult to be nice to some people, bit I keep trying. Have a nice day, Walker.Walker wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:19 amYou're too old to be playing dumb.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:54 amStopping invaders from slaughtering is something you personally need?
If that's what you want, I suppose you need it, and I hope you get it.
Your question did not imply that your question pertained to "personal" need.
As far as my personal needs go, wouldn't I be the fool to share personal values that define need with one who screws around playing dumb.
*
Regarding an example that pertains to the gist of desire ...
For Ukrainians, stopping invaders is currently an all-consuming need.
As such, all their needs have been put into one basket, have coalesced into one need.
Into one all-consuming, burning desire to be fulfilled.
Here's the important part for you to remember, and perhaps twist into some other meaning, as appears to be your wont.*
Such an all consuming desire, as the inferred experience of Ukrainians currently in the news, is not by their choice.
It is choiceless and as has been mentioned, and ignored ...
Choiceless loss causes suffering.
However, I've made my point and if you don't get it by now, your loss, Cisco.
You'll continue to live ... in ignorance.
* If your deliberate twisting is one of those old timer methods to elicit interaction, well, there's a good old-time response to such hubris and arrogance, oft' used in these environs.