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Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:33 pm And I gave you particular examples: athletes, soldiers, rescuers and nurses, women who give birth, and almost anybody who achieves anything.

People sign up for these jobs because they falsely believe they are super heros doing their obligitory duty for mankind, an attitude probably stemming from their brainwashed childhood of constantly being spoon fed disney cartoons on a daily basis. And besides, what else is one supposed to do with their allotted time on earth but to be forced into playing some stupid dumb role like pretending they care about others. They play these roles because they care only about putting bread on the table and having enough money to pay the bills, that's why they do it. They have to spend their entire lives grinding out their energies just to survive like they've always had to from when they were mere beastly animals. What else are they supposed to with themselves. Life is an absolute meat grinder of toil and struggle to survive. We call our achievements progress and success and heroism, we all love a good hero, just like when we used to watch batman and robin, the idea stuck and we just believed that was our meaning and purpose.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 9:33 pmI always feel like people who resort to that sort of reductionism are guilty of having crabbed, sorry little lives. They seem not to know a single person who isn't intrinsically selfish. That's pretty sad.

No, it's you that's pretty sad even to think like that. And you think like that because you have been watching too much of that Jordan Peterson bloke, you know that person who thinks suffering is a great idea, the one you want to be, you are just a wannabe JP..it's sickening to think that this JP believes that pain and suffering is good for us, and that we must endure all our pains if we are to become a hero.It's a sick joke, that's not funny. Nature is an absolute arsehole creating anything with a sentient nervous system that is capable of feeling pain and suffering and torture and depression and loss and death etc etc etc.... We have no choice but to sugar coat this sadistic meat grinder of an existence, we were forced into this with absolutely no control over it, and to think we can just say it's all worth it so lets keep making more of ourselves with the aim of populating our self all over the entire solar system, with our obnoxious sense of arrogant pride that we are just so so special, it is disgusting.


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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:58 pm ...what else is one supposed to do with their allotted time on earth but to be forced into playing some stupid dumb role like pretending they care about others..

My goodness...what a lovely life you have. You seem not to know a single person of kindness or goodwill. And if that's the case, I can only say I'm sorry for you. That must be a really wretched way to live.

...we were forced into this with absolutely no control over it,

I'm certain you don't believe that. And that certainty is grounded in the fact that you are here, and remain here. In spite of all your crabbing, you continue to live...and not only to live, but to complain about the fact that you're alive. You imply you deserve better than you got. Well, I don't know what you "got," but apparently it's better than nothing. So instead of bellyaching, what about looking at whatever it is that is keeping you here, and being just a tiny bit grateful for it? Your life would be a whole lot better if you did.

It's like the old joke: "Despite the cost of living, it remains popular."

So I don't believe a word of what you are saying. And I can see that you don't believe it either.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:12 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:58 pm ...what else is one supposed to do with their allotted time on earth but to be forced into playing some stupid dumb role like pretending they care about others..

My goodness...what a lovely life you have. You seem not to know a single person of kindness or goodwill. And if that's the case, I can only say I'm sorry for you. That must be a really wretched way to live.

...we were forced into this with absolutely no control over it,

I'm certain you don't believe that. And that certainty is grounded in the fact that you are here, and remain here. In spite of all your crabbing, you continue to live...and not only to live, but to complain about the fact that you're alive. You imply you deserve better than you got. Well, I don't know what you "got," but apparently it's better than nothing. So instead of bellyaching, what about looking at whatever it is that is keeping you here, and being just a tiny bit grateful for it? Your life would be a whole lot better if you did.

It's like the old joke: "Despite the cost of living, it remains popular."

So I don't believe a word of what you are saying. And I can see that you don't believe it either.

Clueless, and pointless and extremely drab reply from you as usual. Yawn!... Are you sure you are not the actual Jordan Peterson. I think you must be. You sound like the fool. You don't know me ok, you only make a picture of my life situation by reading my opinions. . but your picture is wrong. I know many loving and kind people, I'm one of them. I just happen to be one who does not hold back with my thoughts and feeling about life, like most folk do, I am genuine, and straight to the point...I do not pretend to pretend I am anything other than who I am, but it seems you have a problem with my negativity, which I do not have by the way...

I have an opinion about being alive, is that ok with you, do I have to be grateful just because you think it's a moral and ethical thing to be grateful, that you need to assume others should be too, do you think it's your moral duty to impose your ideals that we should be grateful onto someone else just because you think it's what we should be like. I really do not think it's your right to do that, and none of your business anyway to try and impose your own moral and ethical standards onto other people just because you believe it's the right way to live your life..and that others should feel grateful too, just because you do, just because you say it's the way to a better life, ..I mean what!!! who the hell are you to push such an agenda of how wonderful life is...take a look at the real world you absolute moron, it's fucked up, why do you think people are drugging themselves up all day long, maybe just maybe they are trying to tell us something that maybe human society is insane and on the verge of total collapse, humans are a useless over-entitled spoilt self-distracted selfish waste of space. I'm just a realist I do not like to bury my head and think about chasing pink rainbows all day like you do.

It's popular to those who cannot think of anything better or more intelligent than to keep living in this insane asylum, while some people actually are intelligent to wise up and realise that life is a stupid dumb game that only an idiot would want to play it over and over again... and then go on to assume we all want to play your dumb game just because you think it's fun..well it's not fun for everyone at all.. My life is absolutely perfect right now, despite your insane projections of it could be better...why do you assume that, is it because you said so, so it has to better... well no actually, you do not have the right to inform of what's better for me, do not impose your ideal at me just because you think that's the best and better way to be...arsehole.

Do you get off on talking about people as though they are shit on your shoe, who must be having a terrible life just because they have an opinion about it that does not harmonise with your opinion. ?


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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:00 pm Clueless...opinion.

That response is not worth my time. Sorry.

But I've got you pegged now. Henry was right: it's all drama with you.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:04 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:00 pm Clueless...opinion.

That response is not worth my time. Sorry.

But I've got you pegged now. Henry was right: it's all drama with you.

Usual pointless and unimaginative reply as usual. It's My way or the high ho my bestest buddy henry way, with you, everytime a coconut.

Just keep chasing your pink balloons if that's what gets you through the obvious traumatic drama that is your definition of what is a philospohical debate. Run away, it's all getting too negative, oh my god help me please, save me from all this mess I have to endure, please help me god, help me to make them understand, please I know I can just make them understand that life can be better, I just know I can....oh if only I could make this pipe dream a reality, and make other people live it too....blah blah blah...

If only life was better, then everything would be perfect...oh I wish I could make them understand....that life can be better, it's always about better ..because life as it actually is is never enough is it...it's always got to be better...and better and better...even though in reality it's actually getting worse, but nothing to see here, lets all ignore that ...oh ffs

Nukes next, isn't that fun...yeah, that'll be fun...because life is wonderful don't you know, because Jordan Peterson said so ..so it must be true.

Wow, I'm so lucky I live in the real word and not some made up silly childish fantasy about God and Jesus and life is just so wonderful like strawberry icecream with pink sprinkles on top and don't forget to be bloody grateful you ungrateful bastard. FuuuuuuuuuuuuK Uooooooooh stick your wonderful life on the bbq where it belongs. It's disgusting and vile.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:47 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:45 am I have argued here
There are Moral Facts
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29777
that are objective moral principles that can ground morality.

You've argued incorrectly, as also here:

God is an Impossibility to be real
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24704

A better argument for both is needed.

You did counter in both posts but they are full of holes.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:34 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:47 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 7:45 am I have argued here
There are Moral Facts
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29777
that are objective moral principles that can ground morality.

You've argued incorrectly, as also here:

God is an Impossibility to be real
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24704

A better argument for both is needed.

You did counter in both posts but they are full of holes.

Your posts? Your arguments there?

Yes, there are many holes in them. You just don't seem to know what they are. That doesn't stop them being there...it just makes you trust that which is clearly wrong.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:42 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:34 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jan 04, 2022 4:47 pm
You've argued incorrectly, as also here:

A better argument for both is needed.

You did counter in both posts but they are full of holes.

Your posts? Your arguments there?

Yes, there are many holes in them. You just don't seem to know what they are. That doesn't stop them being there...it just makes you trust that which is clearly wrong.

I said "your" arguments therein are full of holes.

Surely you [or any theist] are not going to accept your God is an arsehole and inferior!

As such you need to claim your God is absolute perfect [P2] so it follows such a God is impossible to be real [empirically and philosophically].
Btw, I don't want to argue in detail here.
If you want to you can argue in that thread.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:58 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:42 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:34 am
You did counter in both posts but they are full of holes.

Your posts? Your arguments there?

Yes, there are many holes in them. You just don't seem to know what they are. That doesn't stop them being there...it just makes you trust that which is clearly wrong.

I said "your" arguments therein are full of holes.

I know what you said. You were wrong.