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That is not acceptable. If the arrangement is not the thing that makes something alive then what it is?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:55 pmYou can have exactly the same, "arrangement," of elementary particles without there being life. See my article, "The Nature of Life."
Life is only a property. Nothing else, "makes," organisms have life as a property. Not arrangement of non-living physical entities will ever result in life. All physical entities have mass as a property. Nothing else makes entities have mass.bahman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:29 pmThat is not acceptable. If the arrangement is not the thing that makes something alive then what it is?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:55 pmYou can have exactly the same, "arrangement," of elementary particles without there being life. See my article, "The Nature of Life."
Is your mass a function of your parts?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:25 pmLife is only a property. Nothing else, "makes," organisms have life as a property. Not arrangement of non-living physical entities will ever result in life. All physical entities have mass as a property. Nothing else makes entities have mass.bahman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:29 pmThat is not acceptable. If the arrangement is not the thing that makes something alive then what it is?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:55 pm
You can have exactly the same, "arrangement," of elementary particles without there being life. See my article, "The Nature of Life."
Your didn't read the article.
I've already answered this question in my comments to you here.
Of course not. Neither is life or consciousness a function of any parts. Properties are not functions of something else.bahman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:18 pmIs your mass a function of your parts?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:25 pmLife is only a property. Nothing else, "makes," organisms have life as a property. Not arrangement of non-living physical entities will ever result in life. All physical entities have mass as a property. Nothing else makes entities have mass.
Your didn't read the article.
I've already answered this question in my comments to you here.
So your mass is not a function/sum of the mass of your parts?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:53 pmOf course not. Neither is life or consciousness a function of any parts. Properties are not functions of something else.bahman wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:18 pmIs your mass a function of your parts?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 3:25 pm
Life is only a property. Nothing else, "makes," organisms have life as a property. Not arrangement of non-living physical entities will ever result in life. All physical entities have mass as a property. Nothing else makes entities have mass.
Your didn't read the article.
I've already answered this question in my comments to you here.
bahman,bahman wrote: ↑Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:08 pm They say that emergence of consciousness is like the emergence of salt from Chloride and Sodium. They however forget to answer how salt emerges from Chloride and Sodium. In another word, how salt could possibly have a property that parts don't have. So the problem of emergence is not understood well. The second problem is due to the fact that Chloride and Sodium are not irreducible parts therefore they should not consider them in the problem of emergence.
You are confusing weight and mass.bahman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:24 amSo your mass is not a function/sum of the mass of your parts?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:53 pmOf course not. Neither is life or consciousness a function of any parts. Properties are not functions of something else.
No, I am not confusing anything with anything else. Your total mass is the sum of the mass of your parts.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:44 pmYou are confusing weight and mass.bahman wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:24 amSo your mass is not a function/sum of the mass of your parts?RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:53 pm
Of course not. Neither is life or consciousness a function of any parts. Properties are not functions of something else.