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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:16 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:51 pm
This has very little to do with gender equality, never did.
I guess you’re right. Probably more to do with the global war on terrorism. For what happened in New York.
That is the EXCUSE.
But the US and allies invaded both Iraq and Afghanistan on that pretext. Afghanistan was supposed to be where Bin Laden was, but he buggered off to Pakistan (America's ally at the time). And Iraq was invaded due to lies about WMD.
SO what was the REAL reason for the invasions?
THe military /industrial complex.

So I guess Sarah Vine was maybe over reacting making that statement about the abandonment of the innocence, namely the women and children’s human rights and general welfare.
I do not know who Sarah VIne is, but there is no doubt the US is abandoning those people.In the last 20 years it has been International charity organisations such as Christian Aid, Save the Children, OXfam, Aide International, and many others who have taken the opportunity to set up in Afghanistan to try to modernise gender relations.
Whilst the US government may have laid claim to the humanitarian efforts ,they themselves have not done the work.
What the US and allied militaries have been doing is paying collaborators to try to control the situation, and give information as to where they can find the poppy and cannabis fields so they can destroy the local economies by burning down the cash crops.
It is the collaborators whose lives are now being lost, and under threat from the new regime.
And just like they left thousands of Vietnamese that had helped the US regime in the 1970 to die ,so too are similar individuals going to die.
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The only thing that saves anyone from being full-blown woke is being genuinely anti-war. The woke couldn't give a flying fuck about war victims. They only care about image, virtue-signalling credits, and social media trends.
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:56 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:49 pm I've heard the Taliban are murdering people in Afghanistan who had anything to do with the US forces there. Absolutely barbaric if true but the Bush administration owns the debacle that was created in the world due to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Sorry to say, but the world would have been a much better place had GW Bush and his advisors never been born. They left the world a lot darker for almost all of us. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear they will ever face justice for their crimes so I guess we have to wait for old age to take its course. I'll be so glad when the world is rid of them.
It's a bit rich, you sitting in your onfy chair in the US whilst your country has been tearing the shit out of the near east since WW2.
Is in more "barbaric" than bombing civilians as the US does and is still doing?
Face to face executions are more honest, at least.
Drone striking weddings - how do you feel about that?
What about dropping millions of tonnes or ordanace on Laos - a country the US did not even have the homour to declare war on?

You want BARBARIC - read this web site
https://www.maginternational.org/what-w ... work/laos/
Good grief. You do realize I am agreeing with you regarding our foreign policy being immoral, don't you? Did you bother to read what I wrote? What part of it do you disagree with?
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:30 pm It is the collaborators whose lives are now being lost, and under threat from the new regime.
And just like they left thousands of Vietnamese that had helped the US regime in the 1970 to die ,so too are similar individuals going to die.
I would hope the Taliban will have some mercy toward their own people. I'm sorry but killing people like that is barbaric and wrong. If you really care about those people, then I suggest standing up to voice out against the Taliban's brutality. Excusing their behavior certainly doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile. You can worry about US atrocities when it makes sense to worry about them. Right now the people facing death are facing it from the Taliban.
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:21 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:30 pm It is the collaborators whose lives are now being lost, and under threat from the new regime.
And just like they left thousands of Vietnamese that had helped the US regime in the 1970 to die ,so too are similar individuals going to die.
I would hope the Taliban will have some mercy toward their own people. I'm sorry but killing people like that is barbaric and wrong. If you really care about those people, then I suggest standing up to voice out against the Taliban's brutality. Excusing their behavior certainly doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile. You can worry about US atrocities when it makes sense to worry about them. Right now the people facing death are facing it from the Taliban.

And what's your solution? Keep bombing the population and get them before the Taliban can?

How about the US just mind its own business for once? There's an idea. It poisons everything it touches.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:37 am
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:21 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:30 pm It is the collaborators whose lives are now being lost, and under threat from the new regime.
And just like they left thousands of Vietnamese that had helped the US regime in the 1970 to die ,so too are similar individuals going to die.
I would hope the Taliban will have some mercy toward their own people. I'm sorry but killing people like that is barbaric and wrong. If you really care about those people, then I suggest standing up to voice out against the Taliban's brutality. Excusing their behavior certainly doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile. You can worry about US atrocities when it makes sense to worry about them. Right now the people facing death are facing it from the Taliban.

And what's your solution?
The only thing anyone can really do right now is to seek to exert international pressure on the Taliban in an attempt to curb the killing. I mean, there is no other way unless you can think of one.
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:21 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:30 pm It is the collaborators whose lives are now being lost, and under threat from the new regime.
And just like they left thousands of Vietnamese that had helped the US regime in the 1970 to die ,so too are similar individuals going to die.
I would hope the Taliban will have some mercy toward their own people. I'm sorry but killing people like that is barbaric and wrong. If you really care about those people, then I suggest standing up to voice out against the Taliban's brutality. Excusing their behavior certainly doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile. You can worry about US atrocities when it makes sense to worry about them. Right now the people facing death are facing it from the Taliban.
The Afghan people have been brutalised by Russia and the Western invaders, and have been under seige since 1980. What sort of people do you think that creates when all they have known is war?
So fuck you very much USA.
What the Taliban are doing to "their own people" is noting compared to what they have suffered at YOUR hands.
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:41 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:37 am
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:21 am

I would hope the Taliban will have some mercy toward their own people. I'm sorry but killing people like that is barbaric and wrong. If you really care about those people, then I suggest standing up to voice out against the Taliban's brutality. Excusing their behavior certainly doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile. You can worry about US atrocities when it makes sense to worry about them. Right now the people facing death are facing it from the Taliban.

And what's your solution?
The only thing anyone can really do right now is to seek to exert international pressure on the Taliban in an attempt to curb the killing. I mean, there is no other way unless you can think of one.
Yes the US navy is already doing that from Carriers in the Indian Ocean that deliver bombs to Taliban positions.
America's idea of external pressure is rmed drones and long-range, fixed-wing aircraft, such as the B-52 bombers. - So what else is new.
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:48 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 7:56 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:49 pm I've heard the Taliban are murdering people in Afghanistan who had anything to do with the US forces there. Absolutely barbaric if true but the Bush administration owns the debacle that was created in the world due to the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Sorry to say, but the world would have been a much better place had GW Bush and his advisors never been born. They left the world a lot darker for almost all of us. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear they will ever face justice for their crimes so I guess we have to wait for old age to take its course. I'll be so glad when the world is rid of them.
It's a bit rich, you sitting in your onfy chair in the US whilst your country has been tearing the shit out of the near east since WW2.
Is in more "barbaric" than bombing civilians as the US does and is still doing?
Face to face executions are more honest, at least.
Drone striking weddings - how do you feel about that?
What about dropping millions of tonnes or ordanace on Laos - a country the US did not even have the homour to declare war on?

You want BARBARIC - read this web site
https://www.maginternational.org/what-w ... work/laos/
Good grief. You do realize I am agreeing with you regarding our foreign policy being immoral, don't you? Did you bother to read what I wrote? What part of it do you disagree with?
I just think you are a bit naive on this issue.
Consider your silence over the last 20 years compared to your current indignation of so-called Taliban atrocities.
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My feeling is that China may well take on Afgahnistan.
They will be ruthlessly kind or ruthlessly unkind depending on the degree to which the Afghans provide China with the protection they want over the Uighur region.
CHina is the best hope of controlling the production of terrorist cells in Afghanistan. Where Russia and the West have failed since 1980, China is likley to be more pragmatic.

Here's an article which only hints at the possibility, but is of some interest, noneltheless.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/the-gl ... ghanistan/
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It is most likley that the only way calm will be restored is with the Taliban in full control, depnedant on the continued provision of aid from international organisations.
Here's a report from on region describing the degree finace that Nimroz receives from aid agencies.

https://l4p.odi.org/assets/images/L4P-N ... .08.21.pdf

Bombs don't work. But International Aid, if it is allowed by Western governments to continue is likely to be a cheaper and more effective way to urge Taliban forces to curb terrorist training camps.
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My Sculptor, u r bang on. Haven't bothered with the URLs ...

I wonder with Taliban in control, whether whoever becomes the Supreme woteva, has or..sees value in education beyond Koran for both genders.

btw. All the weapons they have...the US left or manufactured, apart from AKs....it's always a win win 4 the scum in power and their buddies that own the arms factories.
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Sculptor to Gary Childress wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 11:20 am ...It's a bit rich, you sitting in your onfy chair in the US whilst your country has been tearing the shit out of the near east since WW2.

...Consider your silence over the last 20 years compared to your current indignation of so-called Taliban atrocities.

...What the Taliban are doing to "their own people" is noting compared to what they have suffered at YOUR hands.
Aren't you making this rather personal and taking it out on Americans who talk with you? Are YOU responsible for what your country or planet has done and are doing? Can we keep some appropriate perspective, please? Aren't your rage and venting your responsibility?
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Funny that there isn't a single one of you who even knows what happened 20 years ago in the US. Still wearing rose-coloured glasses, you've been had completely. You have no idea what kind of planet you live on.
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Atla wrote: Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:51 pm Funny that there isn't a single one of you who even knows what happened 20 years ago in the US. Still wearing rose-coloured glasses, you've been had completely. You have no idea what kind of planet you live on.
....I've got my hand up, please dooo tell.
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