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Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:22 am Bodies do NOT 'die'. They just change in shape and form.

That change in shape and form, AKA decomposition, is almost universally accepted as a symptom of being dead.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:03 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:06 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:38 pm According to the English language, “eternal” means “without beginning or end, always existing, lasting forever.

That defines the present, where reality is.

Knowledge is an inference.

"I Am is true, all else is inference."
- Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

The logic of this quote is ironclad.
It is irrefutable, and answers your every metaphysical wonderment.

The quote is wrong.

It’s a claim without a claimer. It’s an illusion believed to be literal, by the illusion itself.
Knowledge therefore can only point to the illusory nature of reality.

How could there even be an " illusory 'nature' or 'reality' ", when, by definition, the word 'reality' refers to 'that', which is ACTUALLY REAL and True?

The ONLY 'thing' that would have an "illusory nature" would be 'that' was is NOT REAL.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:38 pm To know can only appear as a duality which is the mirror image of no thing/ nonduality

No thing can ever be eternal.

Except for thee Universe, Itself, which, by the way, can NOT be ANY thing other than eternal, and infinite.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:38 pm Religion has had the brain fooled since it’s conception…there is no God because there is only God. And God is not what humans think it is.

What do 'you', human beings, THINK 'God' is?

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:54 am
What do 'you', human beings, THINK 'God' is?

Nothing any more implausible than whatever you thing you are, I suspect.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:38 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:30 am

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:58 pm

So once a consciousness accepts this to be the case, then what?

Nothing.

Nothing remains.

There’s nothing to hold onto, because there’s nothing here, except empty dreams.

Discussing about this subject either happens or there’s just silence, at the moment there’s discussion which is just mindless information being processed by the nothing, appearing to be something.

Isn’t that fun.

So what's the point in telling us? Wouldn't we be better off not knowing?

Nothing is informing.

We are already this not- knowing assuming and believing knowledge.

The belief appears to make what isn’t there…seem like it’s there.
Same goes for what appears to be happening…nothing is actually happening and yet appears to be the exact opposite.

Why is there philosophical discussion? Because that’s what appears to be happening…apparently!

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:03 am The belief appears to make what isn’t there…seem like it’s there.
Same goes for what appears to be happening…nothing is actually happening and yet appears to be the exact opposite.

How come you understand this, yet nobody else does? Are you a very special -nay, unique- form of consciousness?

RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:23 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:33 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:38 pm Knowledge is an illusion.

How do YOU know??

He just has an, illusion, knowledge is an illusion, err .... something like that.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:54 am

How could there even be an " illusory 'nature' or 'reality' ", when, by definition, the word 'reality' refers to 'that', which is ACTUALLY REAL and True?

The word Real or True and it’s associated meaning or definition is a belief…it’s a knowledge in a kind of conceptual context. But that’s an imprint upon a blank canvas which can be subject to change according to perception. However what is being pointed to here is the blank canvas on which changes are known to have happened. In other words, nothing knows, nor does nothing make claims to know. There is no conceptual knowledge but illusory conceptual knowledge. Proof is already available, it’s known as silence. And everything exists within this default prime unchanging position known as silence, including all noise.



The ONLY 'thing' that would have an "illusory nature" would be 'that' was is NOT REAL.

Take away the conceptual knowing of the words NOT REAL ….and there remains just pure not knowing…there’s just pure silent IS-ness, which is neither real or unreal.


Belief in contextual concepts are an illusory overlay upon silence. To claim a truth about contextual conceptual knowledge requires BELIEF…. ALL of which is pure story telling by no one.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:39 am

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:59 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:03 pm No thing can ever be eternal.

That means the present ain't a thang.

Thangs, thongs or whatever things are is irrelevant.

'things' ARE, literally, things. And, if what 'things' ARE, "is irrelevant", then the CLAIM that "NO thing can ever be eternal", which means, to 'you', ALL 'things' ARE NOT eternal. And, whatever these 'things' ARE, which are NOT eternal, 'is JUST irrelevant', correct?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:38 pm All there is is consciousness, the sense that "I am". Whatever rises within consciousness is no different from consciousness itself and to make something of it is totally pointless. Reality is a zero sum game for no one.

Are 'you' here 'trying to' make some 'thing' of consciousness, that is; are 'you' 'trying to' make "reality a zero sum game for no one' of consciousness?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:38 pm illusion.

Is 'disillusion' the opposite of 'illusion'?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:38 pm Knowledge is a mere remedy to cure the disease of ignorance, and once ignorance has vanished, knowledge no longer has any real existence.

Except that children learn how to communicate better with 'you', adult human beings, through gaining the knowledge of words, and language.

So, some say this is ACTUALLY A REAL EXISTENCE, which can be Truly MEANINGFUL.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:38 pm "Within Reality there is neither knowledge nor ignorance.

Is this the 'reality', which is "a zero sum game for no one"?

Or is this the 'reality', which has an 'illusory NATURE' to it?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:38 pm When "I" do not exist, when "I" am not, He only is and that is Reality, that is Self without self."

But there is OBVIOUSLY Self, WITH self. That is WHILE there are human being selfs existing, that is.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:38 pm God is just another word for consciousness or every thing and no thing. In other words, ultimately all knowledge is a made up story, knowledge is a fable. A claim without a claimer.

ALL knowledge is made up, or created, by 'you', human beings. ALL of that knowledge are stories made up, created, and told, by 'you', human beings. ALL fables could be said to be stories as ALL fables could be 'conveying a moral', or, 'telling a fictitious tale'.

So, until ANY CLAIM is PROVED irrefutably True, then those CLAIMS just remain just A story, which was CLAIMED by A human being, which is; the claimer.

And, when the knowledge, which is made up by 'you', human being, FINALLY fits in PERFECTLY, and UNIFORMLY, with what thee ACTUAL Truth of things IS, then that, made up, knowledge becomes NOT just A STORY but thee, ACTUAL, irrefutable STORY of 'Life', Itself.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:14 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:03 am The belief appears to make what isn’t there…seem like it’s there.
Same goes for what appears to be happening…nothing is actually happening and yet appears to be the exact opposite.

How come you understand this, yet nobody else does? Are you a very special -nay, unique- form of consciousness?

Good grief no not special at all.

My knowledge is just another story, one of an infinite stories arising here.

Any one and everyone can know what ever they wish to believe in,. Including you Harbal.

This blank slate is all yours to draw what ever you like upon it..it’s all you.

Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:58 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:39 am


All there is is consciousness, the sense that "I am". Whatever rises within consciousness is no different from consciousness itself and to make something of it is totally pointless. Reality is a zero sum game for no one.

illusion.

Knowledge is a mere remedy to cure the disease of ignorance, and once ignorance has vanished, knowledge no longer has any real existence. "Within Reality there is neither knowledge nor ignorance. When "I" do not exist, when "I" am not, He only is and that is Reality, that is Self without self."


God is just another word for consciousness or every thing and no thing. In other words, ultimately all knowledge is a made up story, knowledge is a fable. A claim without a claimer.

So once a consciousness accepts this to be the case, then what?

But Consciousness, would NOT and does NOT accept 'that' to be the case, AT ALL.

However, you did make your point VERY WELL "harbal".

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:24 am
Any one and everyone can know what ever they wish to believe in,. Including you Harbal.

I will carry on believing in nothing then.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:48 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:22 am Bodies do NOT 'die'. They just change in shape and form.

That change in shape and form, AKA decomposition, is almost universally accepted as a symptom of being dead.

VERY, VERY TRUE.

But thee ACTUAL Thing that is changing in shape and form can NOT and does NOT die.

Bodies are, essentially, ONLY sub-atomic particles rearranged in shape or form. A rearranged shape of matter, in the form of a human body, which may be breathing with a pumping heart and flowing blood may be referred to as "alive", and when the blood stops flowing, the heart stops pumping, and the body stops breathing, then it may be referred to, and accepted, by some, as being "dead". But bodies, of matter, themselves, do NOT actually 'live' and 'die'. They are just continuously being rearranged into different shapes and forms.

'you', however, are another 'matter'.

And, if ANY one would like to delve into this deeper, or further, then let us proceed.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:00 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:54 am
What do 'you', human beings, THINK 'God' is?

Nothing any more implausible than whatever you thing you are, I suspect.

But 'I' KNOW what the 'you' IS, what thee 'I' is, and what 'God' IS.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:48 am

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:22 am Bodies do NOT 'die'. They just change in shape and form.

That change in shape and form, AKA decomposition, is almost universally accepted as a symptom of being dead.

Actually being dead just means the body mechanism which is a vital instrument that is required by all sentience bodies in order to experience sense perception. So when this mechanism switches itself off, that’s seen as death.

Remember though, the sense perceptions are only temporarily switched off, they will activate again when a new body becomes manifest.

No one is experiencing these sense perceptions..they’re just appearances that blink in and out of reality, off, on off on, … alternating continuously as long as there are sentient feeling experiencing life forms.

Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:33 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:24 am
Any one and everyone can know what ever they wish to believe in,. Including you Harbal.

I will carry on believing in nothing then.

Good for you Harbal.

I myself have found the belief in nothing to be quite blissful.