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Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 3:13 am
by bahman
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:43 am
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:39 pm
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:42 pm
Not at all. Most choice does not involve any physical movement at all, because most choice is about what one thinks. When one decides to act overtly it is never a, "choice followed by an action," but always a continuous integrated act between consciousness and the physical behavior. It isn't like your childish view of volition: the thought, "hand move," followed by the hand doing something on its own, or even a thought followed by some event in the brain. The events that occur in the brain and can be detected (though very poorly) are associated with physical actions, because those brain events are associated with consciousness, some related to motor nerves related to specific physical actions.
I am specifically interested in the phenomena of moving the body rather than thoughts.
OK!
Ok? Do you stimulate different parts of your brain in order to move?
Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 12:45 pm
by Terrapin Station
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:36 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:33 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 4:30 am
No, it does only experience mental things.
Right, so some of what consciousness experiences
isn't created by the mind, then.
I think so. Other minds probably.
I wish I could figure out why these sorts of views are so prominent on boards like this, but people are too veiled to make it easy to figure out. It would be easier to figure out in person.
Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 10:37 pm
by bahman
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:45 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:36 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 1:33 pm
Right, so some of what consciousness experiences
isn't created by the mind, then.
I think so. Other minds probably.
I wish I could figure out why these sorts of views are so prominent on boards like this, but people are too veiled to make it easy to figure out. It would be easier to figure out in person.
What you, conscious mind, experience is not created by you. Other minds created that. You also create thoughts.
Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 11:07 pm
by Terrapin Station
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:37 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:45 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 10:36 pm
I think so. Other minds probably.
I wish I could figure out why these sorts of views are so prominent on boards like this, but people are too veiled to make it easy to figure out. It would be easier to figure out in person.
What you, conscious mind, experience is not created by you. Other minds created that. You also create thoughts.
Other minds create nothing of what we experience, and our own minds don't create most of it.
Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Sun May 30, 2021 11:33 pm
by bahman
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:07 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:37 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:45 pm
I wish I could figure out why these sorts of views are so prominent on boards like this, but people are too veiled to make it easy to figure out. It would be easier to figure out in person.
What you, conscious mind, experience is not created by you. Other minds created that. You also create thoughts.
Other minds create nothing of what we experience, and our own minds don't create most of it.
Of course, we do.
Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 12:10 am
by Terrapin Station
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:33 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:07 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 10:37 pm
What you, conscious mind, experience is not created by you. Other minds created that. You also create thoughts.
Other minds create nothing of what we experience, and our own minds don't create most of it.
Of course, we do.
Based on?
Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 5:35 am
by bahman
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:10 am
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:33 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 11:07 pm
Other minds create nothing of what we experience, and our own minds don't create most of it.
Of course, we do.
Based on?
Mind is needed for any change.
Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 12:12 pm
by Terrapin Station
bahman wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 5:35 am
Mind is needed for any change.
No it isn't. Again, your responses to my comments in that thread were the usual set of inabilities to understand my comments plus your usual confusions, insanities, idiocies, etc. I keep hoping you're trolling, because the alternative is depressing.
Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:50 pm
by bahman
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:12 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 5:35 am
Mind is needed for any change.
No it isn't. Again, your responses to my comments in that thread were the usual set of inabilities to understand my comments plus your usual confusions, insanities, idiocies, etc. I keep hoping you're trolling, because the alternative is depressing.
You are very unkind!
Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:18 am
by Terrapin Station
bahman wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:50 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:12 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 5:35 am
Mind is needed for any change.
No it isn't. Again, your responses to my comments in that thread were the usual set of inabilities to understand my comments plus your usual confusions, insanities, idiocies, etc. I keep hoping you're trolling, because the alternative is depressing.
You are very unkind!
You are very frustrating to try to talk to.
Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:47 am
by bahman
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:18 am
bahman wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:50 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:12 pm
No it isn't. Again, your responses to my comments in that thread were the usual set of inabilities to understand my comments plus your usual confusions, insanities, idiocies, etc. I keep hoping you're trolling, because the alternative is depressing.
You are very unkind!
You are very frustrating to try to talk to.
You are not making any sense.
Re: Subconscious mind is huge
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:12 am
by Terrapin Station
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:47 am
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:18 am
bahman wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:50 pm
You are very unkind!
You are very frustrating to try to talk to.
You are not making any sense.
lol