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Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:52 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 5:42 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 12:52 am

But the proof already exists that something did not, and could not, come from nothing. The proof that thee One and ONLY Universe is infinite and eternal already exists.

To say something comes from a prior being is to say one thing results in the variation of another thing.

Okay.

Who, exactly, says, "something comes from a prior being", by the way?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 5:42 pm Being from being is variation where the new phenomenon is a variation of the prior. This variation necessitates one phenomenon as having something another phenomenon lacks. This lack, as an absence, necessitates a void between phenomena. This void appears prior to the new phenomena as that which seperates it from the old, thus these new changes result in being coming from nothing at the same time being comes from being.

What, exactly, does the word 'being' mean or refer to, to you?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:43 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:52 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 5:42 pm

To say something comes from a prior being is to say one thing results in the variation of another thing.

Okay.

Who, exactly, says, "something comes from a prior being", by the way?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 5:42 pm Being from being is variation where the new phenomenon is a variation of the prior. This variation necessitates one phenomenon as having something another phenomenon lacks. This lack, as an absence, necessitates a void between phenomena. This void appears prior to the new phenomena as that which seperates it from the old, thus these new changes result in being coming from nothing at the same time being comes from being.

What, exactly, does the word 'being' mean or refer to, to you?

1. Those who say being does not come from void.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:52 am 2. Being is that which has form.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:47 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:43 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:52 am

Okay.

Who, exactly, says, "something comes from a prior being", by the way?



What, exactly, does the word 'being' mean or refer to, to you?

1. Those who say being does not come from void.

BUT, if one says this, then that does NOT mean that they are saying, "something comes from a prior being".

They may be saying, 'something comes from at least two other prior physical things coming together", instead.

And, to those people, those 'physical things' may not be 'beings' at all.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:52 am 2. Being is that which has form.

So, a slab of concrete is a 'being', to you, correct?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:11 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:47 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:43 pm

1. Those who say being does not come from void.

BUT, if one says this, then that does NOT mean that they are saying, "something comes from a prior being".

They may be saying, 'something comes from at least two other prior physical things coming together", instead.

And, to those people, those 'physical things' may not be 'beings' at all.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:52 am 2. Being is that which has form.

So, a slab of concrete is a 'being', to you, correct?

1. Two prior physicals things coming together are being.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:11 pm 2. A slab of concrete has form thus "it is".

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:03 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:11 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:47 am

BUT, if one says this, then that does NOT mean that they are saying, "something comes from a prior being".

They may be saying, 'something comes from at least two other prior physical things coming together", instead.

And, to those people, those 'physical things' may not be 'beings' at all.



So, a slab of concrete is a 'being', to you, correct?

1. Two prior physicals things coming together are being.

Okay.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:11 pm 2. A slab of concrete has form thus "it is".

This reply, however, did NOT answer the ACTUAL CLARIFYING question I posed, to 'you'.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:11 am There is a difference between the expression "A being" , and the verb "being".

I've noted that the common cross over between verb and noun; the gerund, is seen on this forum a flagrant abuse of meaning.

Whilst one might say that the builder brought a block of concrete into being; it is not okay to say that a block of concrete is "a being".

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:13 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:11 am There is a difference between the expression "A being" , and the verb "being".

I've noted that the common cross over between verb and noun; the gerund, is seen on this forum a flagrant abuse of meaning.

Whilst one might say that the builder brought a block of concrete into being; it is not okay to say that a block of concrete is "a being".

A being is a series of actions which take form.

Being is action.

A block of concrete expands and contracts, cracks and crumbles, etc. It produces a series of actions therefore is a being.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:57 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:13 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:11 am There is a difference between the expression "A being" , and the verb "being".

I've noted that the common cross over between verb and noun; the gerund, is seen on this forum a flagrant abuse of meaning.

Whilst one might say that the builder brought a block of concrete into being; it is not okay to say that a block of concrete is "a being".

A being is a series of actions which take form.

Bollocks

Being is action.

Bollocks

A block of concrete expands and contracts, cracks and crumbles, etc. It produces a series of actions therefore is a being.

DOn't be a fucking moron.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:21 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:57 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:13 pm

A being is a series of actions which take form.

Bollocks

Being is action.

Bollocks

A block of concrete expands and contracts, cracks and crumbles, etc. It produces a series of actions therefore is a being.

DOn't be a fucking moron.

I see we once again reached the limits of your ability to argue a point.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:34 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:21 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 6:57 pm
Bollocks

Bollocks

DOn't be a fucking moron.

I see we once again reached the limits of your ability to argue a point.

It would be pointless of me to argue with an idiot.
You are too stupid to understand the most simple thing.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:52 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:34 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:21 pm

I see we once again reached the limits of your ability to argue a point.

It would be pointless of me to argue with an idiot.
You are too stupid to understand the most simple thing.

Grrrrr...someone lost their thinking cap.

To get back on track a slab of concrete both acts and has form therefore is a being. Being is that which acts and has form.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:52 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:34 pm
It would be pointless of me to argue with an idiot.
You are too stupid to understand the most simple thing.

Grrrrr...someone lost their thinking cap.

To get back on track a slab of concrete both acts and has form therefore is a being. Being is that which acts and has form.

A slab of concrete is not "a being".
Pretty much all the threads you contrinute to, or start ,are all about this sort of basic abuse of language.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:59 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:56 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:52 pm

Grrrrr...someone lost their thinking cap.

To get back on track a slab of concrete both acts and has form therefore is a being. Being is that which acts and has form.

A slab of concrete is not "a being".
Pretty much all the threads you contrinute to, or start ,are all about this sort of basic abuse of language.

It acts. Being is that which acts. A slab of concrete is a being and as one facet of being it reflects all of being as having a degree of consciousness.