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Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:05 am

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:44 am let's say there is an infinitely long the leg of a right triangle , then the hypotenuse is longer than an infinitely long leg, and this is nonsense.

Again, the abstract line does not exist physically like the abstract number. And the physical line drawn with a pencil still exists today, and tomorrow it has already been erased.

One infinity can be larger than another if there are multiple infinities. An example of this would be one line as longer than another with both lines being composed of infinite line.

The abstract line/number exists however they may not be physical only. Existence is definition, definition comes through form, all that which has form exists.

the point is that something cannot be more than infinity, otherwise it is not infinity. One actual infinity can not be larger than other actual infinities, because even one actual infinity is absurd.

The material thing cannot be infinite, eternal. And the intangible is not measured at all, because only the material can be measured. If something can be measured, then it is material.

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let's say there is an infinitely long the leg of a right triangle , then the hypotenuse is longer than an infinitely long leg, and this is nonsense.

Again, the abstract line does not exist physically like the abstract number. And the physical line drawn with a pencil still exists today, and tomorrow it has already been erased.
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One infinity can be larger than another if there are multiple infinities. An example of this would be one line as longer than another with both lines being composed of infinite line.

The abstract line/number exists however they may not be physical only. Existence is definition, definition comes through form, all that which has form exists.
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the point is that something cannot be more than infinity, otherwise it is not infinity. One actual infinity can not be larger than other actual infinities, because even one actual infinity is absurd.

The material thing cannot be infinite, eternal. And the intangible is not measured at all, because only the material can be measured. If something can be measured, then it is material.
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Infinity is in no sense particular. The most certain we can be about it is to understand it as a direction, etcetera, not a distinct thing. It's indistinguishable from "keep going".

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Age wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:25 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:00 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:00 am

Yes, and which is known by 'you', human beings, as thee True Self.

Thee ALL is Self aware, and thus KNOWS thy Self.

'you're, human beings are gradually evolving to become aware of thy Self also.



But Consciousness, Itself, does NOT change from one form to another another form. Consciousness is what 'It' IS, and remains that way.

Just like thee Universe, Itself, does NOT change from one form to another form. The Universe also is what 'It's IS, and remains that way. HOWEVER, thee Universe changies in shape and in form, always.



Why would ANY one think or say that 'they' or 'we' evolve into consciousness?

Who and/or what would ANY one thinking or saying that, think 'they' or 'we' are exactly?

It could be said that consciousness evolves into further Consciousness, or further Knowing, of thy Self. Until 'It'/this 'One' KNOWS thy Self.



Yes 'I' KNOW, to 'you', this is ALL continual 'replications of forms', which can also just be expressed as;

The One and only, always existing, Universe is continually evolving/changing in shape and in form.



In 'your' view, correct?

All awareness is grounded in form, the change of one form to another is the change of one state of consciousness to another.

The change of one conscious state into another is the change of forms. Forms are self aware as the universe is self aware.

What does the word 'forms' here mean, to you?

Limits.

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:32 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:05 am

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:44 am let's say there is an infinitely long the leg of a right triangle , then the hypotenuse is longer than an infinitely long leg, and this is nonsense.

Again, the abstract line does not exist physically like the abstract number. And the physical line drawn with a pencil still exists today, and tomorrow it has already been erased.

One infinity can be larger than another if there are multiple infinities. An example of this would be one line as longer than another with both lines being composed of infinite line.

The abstract line/number exists however they may not be physical only. Existence is definition, definition comes through form, all that which has form exists.

the point is that something cannot be more than infinity, otherwise it is not infinity. One actual infinity can not be larger than other actual infinities, because even one actual infinity is absurd.

The material thing cannot be infinite, eternal. And the intangible is not measured at all, because only the material can be measured. If something can be measured, then it is material.

A line as composed of infinite lines is infinite. One infinite line can be longer than another.

Dually a line can be measured yet the line is not limited to the physical.

Advocate wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:54 pm

Janoah wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:32 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:05 am One infinity can be larger than another if there are multiple infinities. An example of this would be one line as longer than another with both lines being composed of infinite line.

The abstract line/number exists however they may not be physical only. Existence is definition, definition comes through form, all that which has form exists.

the point is that something cannot be more than infinity, otherwise it is not infinity. One actual infinity can not be larger than other actual infinities, because even one actual infinity is absurd.

The material thing cannot be infinite, eternal. And the intangible is not measured at all, because only the material can be measured. If something can be measured, then it is material.

Infinity is in no sense particular. The most certain we can be about it is to understand it as a direction, etcetera, not a distinct thing. It's indistinguishable from "keep going".

It is particular as a line. The line composed of infinite lines is infinite.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:12 am

A line as composed of infinite lines is infinite.

if the lines are one to another, then they have a beginning and an end, and therefore they are not infinite.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:11 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:25 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:00 am
All awareness is grounded in form, the change of one form to another is the change of one state of consciousness to another.

The change of one conscious state into another is the change of forms. Forms are self aware as the universe is self aware.

What does the word 'forms' here mean, to you?

Limits.

But My awareness is NOT grounded in 'limits'.

And, how can 'limits' be self aware as the Universe is Self aware, considering the fact that thee Universe is NOT 'limited' in ANY way?

Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:09 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:12 am

A line as composed of infinite lines is infinite.

if the lines are one to another, then they have a beginning and an end, and therefore they are not infinite.

A line as composed of beginnings and ends is a line composed of infinite beginnings and ends as infinite lines. One line is composed of infinite, thus multiple, lines is a set. All lines are sets and these sets contain infinite further sets.

Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:04 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:11 am

Age wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:25 am

What does the word 'forms' here mean, to you?

Limits.

But My awareness is NOT grounded in 'limits'.

And, how can 'limits' be self aware as the Universe is Self aware, considering the fact that thee Universe is NOT 'limited' in ANY way?

"Your" awareness as distinct from another person's awareness is grounded in a limit between the two.

The universe results in unlimited forms. These forms repeat through eachother as variations of eachother, much like the branching form repeats itself through veins, rivers, trees, lightning, etc.

The repetition of these forms is self reflection.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:04 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:11 am

Limits.

But My awareness is NOT grounded in 'limits'.

And, how can 'limits' be self aware as the Universe is Self aware, considering the fact that thee Universe is NOT 'limited' in ANY way?

"Your" awareness as distinct from another person's awareness is grounded in a limit between the two.

But 'you' do NOT YET KNOW who 'I' am. Until you, literally, become Self aware, then you will NOT KNOW WHY your sentence here is False, Wrong, and Incorrect.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm The universe results in unlimited forms. These forms repeat through eachother as variations of eachother, much like the branching form repeats itself through veins, rivers, trees, lightning, etc.

So what?

You keep repeating this "forms repeat" message, but WHY?

What will understanding this actually achieve?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm The repetition of these forms is self reflection.

Yet here 'you' are unable to provide thee True, Right, and Correct answer to the question, 'Who am 'I'?'

What, EXACTLY, is this 'self', which is 'reflecting'?

Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:32 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:04 pm

But My awareness is NOT grounded in 'limits'.

And, how can 'limits' be self aware as the Universe is Self aware, considering the fact that thee Universe is NOT 'limited' in ANY way?

"Your" awareness as distinct from another person's awareness is grounded in a limit between the two.

But 'you' do NOT YET KNOW who 'I' am. Until you, literally, become Self aware, then you will NOT KNOW WHY your sentence here is False, Wrong, and Incorrect.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm The universe results in unlimited forms. These forms repeat through eachother as variations of eachother, much like the branching form repeats itself through veins, rivers, trees, lightning, etc.

So what?

You keep repeating this "forms repeat" message, but WHY?

What will understanding this actually achieve?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm The repetition of these forms is self reflection.

Yet here 'you' are unable to provide thee True, Right, and Correct answer to the question, 'Who am 'I'?'

What, EXACTLY, is this 'self', which is 'reflecting'?

1. If I do not know who you are yet then there is a distinction between you and me.

2. If forms repeat then we understand the universe as self aware, thus a form of consciousness exists beyond our own. You keep asking questions, what do you hope this achieves?

3. The point as it is. What is the "true, right and correct answer to the question "who am I?""

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:24 pm

... a line composed of infinite beginnings and ends as infinite lines.

if it is not clear that a line that has a beginning and an end is not an endless line, then yes, the discussion is probably exhausted.

Janoah wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:13 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:24 pm

... a line composed of infinite beginnings and ends as infinite lines.

if it is not clear that a line that has a beginning and an end is not an endless line, then yes, the discussion is probably exhausted.

You ignored:

"One line is composed of infinite, thus multiple, lines is a set. All lines are sets and these sets contain infinite further sets."


In shorter terms: a line is a set.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:40 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:32 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm

"Your" awareness as distinct from another person's awareness is grounded in a limit between the two.

But 'you' do NOT YET KNOW who 'I' am. Until you, literally, become Self aware, then you will NOT KNOW WHY your sentence here is False, Wrong, and Incorrect.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm The universe results in unlimited forms. These forms repeat through eachother as variations of eachother, much like the branching form repeats itself through veins, rivers, trees, lightning, etc.

So what?

You keep repeating this "forms repeat" message, but WHY?

What will understanding this actually achieve?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm The repetition of these forms is self reflection.

Yet here 'you' are unable to provide thee True, Right, and Correct answer to the question, 'Who am 'I'?'

What, EXACTLY, is this 'self', which is 'reflecting'?

1. If I do not know who you are yet then there is a distinction between you and me.

If 'you' still do not yet know who 'you' nor 'I' am, then so be it.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm 2. If forms repeat then we understand the universe as self aware, thus a form of consciousness exists beyond our own.

LOL So, 'you' somehow have concluded that 'you' have 'your' "own consciousness", and that that "consciousness" exists beyond or outside of the Universe's own Self awareness, or Consciousness.

Who, or what, by the way, does your use of the 'our' word here refer to, EXACTLY?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm You keep asking questions, what do you hope this achieves?

That 'you', human beings, will start answering them OPEN and Honestly.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm 3. The point as it is.

Which is 'what', EXACTLY?

Or, can you NOT explain NOR elaborate on this ANY further?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:27 pm What is the "true, right and correct answer to the question "who am I?""

In the visible, physical sense, the Universe.

In the non visible, spiritual sense, the Mind.

By the way, to 'me', your numbered responses do not appear to match up with ANY thing I said.