gaffo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:29 am
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:04 am
gaffo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 4:58 am
All atheists and non beliers in the the correct God go to Hell forever.
Gaffo old sport. Hell is for the living and can only exist in the present. Quite often its existence is caused by awakening to what caused it.
thnaks for the non-sequitor, i guess. ;-/
You’re quite welcome, Gaffo. Certainly, I’ll supply the obvious sequitur for you to deny or accept, rather than draw your own conclusion and discuss the implications of your thoughts. Always glad to help, don't be shy about asking.
You reference the “correct God.” I understand what you mean. I hear ya baby. You are referencing anyone from any religion who considers that the view of God worshiped within that religion is the correct God. Likewise, you are saying that those who don’t believe in that view will experience the consequences of their non-belief, as defined within the traditions of that religion which has defined the correct God, whatever that religion may be. Those consequences we call punishment, thus in principle religions share a principle of punishment called, Hell. It is a principle that goes by various names, but the Pentecostals and others call it Hell.
Of course your stylish economy condenses all of this, and it so happens that I agree with your assessment, although presented in my woefully inadequate, pedestrian style mostly sincere but with a slice of twinkle twinkle eye and tongue in cheek. However, I’ve deduced that surrendering to the tutelage of such inspiration as yours stirs some distress in some, in various manifestations, and so we'll adjust accordingly.
To my humble observation, which as you incisively point out lacks a conclusion from me for you to analyze with perhaps even more clarifying economy than previous displayed, as interpreted from your wisdom I can see that hell is the promise of a future, and in the moralization of most any religion that promise is a future punishment and not a reward. In this view, as a principle, hell is an inevitable consequence for the stupidity of being exposed to truth and ignoring truth (an act of ignorance;) for these reasons:
As we all know, the future only exists in the mind as imagination with unknown qualities that are subject to predictability and probability. Therefore, the hell promised by religions only exists in the mind. And like hell, future reality, whatever we think it may turn out to be, only exists in the mind as an inference of probability.
In the actuality of the physical, however, reality can only exist in the present as Now (differentiating the “present” from “NOW” to accommodate the time-lag between phenomena and apprehension of time-lag, NOW being the consequence of the time-lag.)
Therefore, actual hell does and can only exist in the present …
What is hell like in the present? Well, that’s defined in many ways, of course, just as many people have their own definitions for truth, justice, and the American Way. And other things too.
For example, for many hell is regret. Regret for all the hell caused in the lives of other people, in the past, when stupidity reigned. Memories of this are the hell lived in the present. Awakening to the realization that one is the cause of suffering for others and oneself, to be experienced perpetually in the present, awakens one to the realization of karma and the physical burning of anguish, the experience of forever. All the suffering caused for others comes back as suffering upon oneself, in the form of hell, hell which can only exist now, within the awareness that one is.
Thus, the admonitions to avoid hopping on the spiritual path if too old. The unstoppable path can cause one to become an unfortunate hell-being, ‘specially without any guidance back when all the hell was being raised.
The redemption of Christianity has that covered.
The way things are gets translated into various traditions and religions. It’s the reason for teachings. Old folks see the chain of causation that applies to all situations as principles affected by the conditions of the situation, and from this vision issues warnings according to the tradition which may include interpretation of scriptures. Those who heed the warnings of the tradition or the religion tell the lil’ chillen’, mind your P’s and Q’s and do as we teach you in order to be healthy, wealthy, and wise. If you don't, here's a dose of brimstone to light your way.
Gaffo, old sport, thank you for the opportunity to offer what appears at the moment … inspired by … yes I said it, inspired by the wisdom expressed within the meaning of your cogent economy which somehow encompasses all of your past. The meaning of your influence extends far beyond the meaning either I, or you, attribute.
I was once what's known as a no-one. And that no-one is the same no-one that is now a word. We're all just parrots here. . We're all the same no-one wording the same words over and over again. Just 26 symbolic empty letters of the alphabet making-up billions and billions of different stories, all just beliefs no-one made. 
