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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:29 am All beliefs fall short of the understanding that there is nothing to understand.

All beliefs are born in this conception, the emergent property of a fearful suffering mind that then seeks solace in a conceptual antidote according to it's addiction. It is the price one pays for being alive. Where we are basically paying for something we didnt buy. It's a gross and stupid game that we play over and over and over again, until we see through the game for what it actually is...A DEAD END

Nothing to see here, nothing to do, nothing to accomplish, nothing to gain, nothing to win.

And ultimately NOTHING TO LOSE.



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U.G. Krishnamurti said that without belief one would literally die a physical death.

Something else to think about.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:27 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:29 am All beliefs fall short of the understanding that there is nothing to understand.

All beliefs are born in this conception, the emergent property of a fearful suffering mind that then seeks solace in a conceptual antidote according to it's addiction. It is the price one pays for being alive. Where we are basically paying for something we didnt buy. It's a gross and stupid game that we play over and over and over again, until we see through the game for what it actually is...A DEAD END

Nothing to see here, nothing to do, nothing to accomplish, nothing to gain, nothing to win.

And ultimately NOTHING TO LOSE.



.

U.G. Krishnamurti said that without belief one would literally die a physical death.

Something else to think about.

Awakening from the dream of separation, the idea that I exist and you exist separate from me, is the end of the great human PRETENSE



“The human phenomenon is but the sum
Of densely coiled layers of illusion
Each of which winds itself on the supreme insanity
That there are persons of any kind
When all there can be is mindless mirrors
Laughing and screaming as they parade about
in an endless dream
”
― Thomas Ligotti

"Most people learn to save themselves by artificially limiting the content of consciousness."

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:05 pm Say what?

Are you basically suggesting that "God" is a term for "something we don't (and/or aren't capable of) understanding"? If so, what would people referring to God think they're referring to? Are you saying that they'd have in mind that the term is basically a variable for "stuff I don't understand" when folks use the term? (In other words, that they literally have that idea in mind, that they're using the term as a variable for "stuff I don't understand"?)

God or any word for that matter is just a meaning, purported to be understood or not.

It is not understood what it is that is capable of understanding conceptual meanings.

In other words, words are all I've got to prove I am knowledable, without which I am nothing at all.

It cannot be understood how nothing exists as something.

Reality will never make any rational sense. The mind always tries to make sense of the irrational, it does so in vain.

I myself used to get pulled into the emotional magical realm of belief in God. But then something pulled me out of the imaginary trance, that seemed to want to hold onto to something, until I decided to just let it all go.

God really is a human construct, because humans have got the mind and imagination that is unique to the species, something not seen in any other animal. In evolutionary terms, human stories only showed up a few seconds ago. And that's why humans are basically full of shit.

If we are to believe the story of Genesis in the Bible. Then humans are hybrid creations made in the image of the Anunnaki Sumerian Deities.

Sent to Earth in search of life-saving gold, these ancient Anunnaki astronauts from the planet Nibiru created the first humans as a slave race to mine gold.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:44 am
Reality will never make any rational sense. The mind always tries to make sense of the irrational, it does so in vain.

That’s not true at all. Death is irrational, and so the sense of that which is made by mind, is life, as evidenced by human action and evolution.


You need look no further than individual human recognition of patterns, and adaptations of the species to environment.


Recognition of seasonal patterns made agriculture possible, which created a predictable food source, which increased population and exploration of the unknown … all of which for many extremists was the beginning of the end for the planet.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:56 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:44 am
Reality will never make any rational sense. The mind always tries to make sense of the irrational, it does so in vain.

That’s not true at all.

It is true.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:56 pm Death is irrational, and so the sense of that which is made by mind, is life, as evidenced by human action and evolution.

Life is the same as death, in the the irrational sense of the rational seeking mind.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:33 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:56 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:44 am
Reality will never make any rational sense. The mind always tries to make sense of the irrational, it does so in vain.

That’s not true at all.

It is true.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:56 pm Death is irrational, and so the sense of that which is made by mind, is life, as evidenced by human action and evolution.

Life is the same as death, in the the irrational sense of the rational seeking mind.

Isnot.


Death is the same as life, in the sense that life is all that can be known.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:56 pm That’s not true at all. Death is irrational, and so the sense of that which is made by mind, is life, as evidenced by human action and evolution.


You need look no further than individual human recognition of patterns, and adaptations of the species to environment.

So what? you just repeating what we already know about origins of the species, rehashed knowledge can go no further that rehashed knowledge.

We were once fish in a cosmic soup or our origins are from the Anunnaki not of this planet earth, or we have been programmed to believe we have an animalistic slave like nature, but can tap in to our dormant Anunnaki DNA, and realise the longevity and intelligence of our creators. Or we can believe whatever else mush that comes to mind.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:56 pmRecognition of seasonal patterns made agriculture possible, which created a predictable food source, which increased population and exploration of the unknown … all of which for many extremists was the beginning of the end for the planet.

Says nothing of the actual origin of the recognition machine that is capable of such actions.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:39 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:33 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:56 pm
That’s not true at all.

It is true.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:56 pm Death is irrational, and so the sense of that which is made by mind, is life, as evidenced by human action and evolution.

Life is the same as death, in the the irrational sense of the rational seeking mind.

Isnot.


Death is the same as life, in the sense that life is all that can be known.

All that can be known is known by no knower, except for the pretense.

The pretense is proved in the fact that you cannot know you are dead.

There is no one alive to know they are alive, except the pretense that one is alive.

Motion denotes life.

Extend the principle and universal consciousness denotes animism.

On this rational basis the whole world is alive, and because it's what you make of it the whole world is in you.

Who are you again?

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:00 pm

Who are you again?

There is no you.

commonsense disagrees.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:00 pm

On this rational basis the whole world is alive, and because it's what you make of it the whole world is in you.

The whole pretense of what you make of the world is in the pretense. There is no you in which the pretense of you is. The pretense is a nonlocatable presence, it cannot be pinned down to one particual exact location that can be known.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:07 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:00 pm

On this rational basis the whole world is alive, and because it's what you make of it the whole world is in you.

The whole pretense of what you make of the world is in the pretense. There is no you in which the pretense of you is. The pretense is a nonlocatable presence, it cannot be pinned down to one particual exact location that can be known.

That is no negation of existence.

commonsense exists. Try to find it other than in motion, of thought or body.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:05 pm commonsense disagrees.

Of course there will be disagreement with because knowledge claims are always a self bias model artificially created by a brain.

No brain ever built the brain. Reality is a mindless phenomena, pretending to be mind full.