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Only ignorance is original...

John 1:18, ESV: "No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known."

In verse 18, "seeing God" is meant in the sense of seeing God the Father in a physical, literal sense. God chose to reveal Himself in certain forms in the past, but He is essentially a Spirit (John 4:24). The gospel of John describes Jesus as the "Word" of God, using the Greek word logos. Jesus is the message, or the definition, of God. Words are tangible symbols of ideas, both for our eyes and our ears. The fact that God came in human form is critical. Jesus is a human being who experiences our struggles (Hebrews 4:15), one to whom we can relate. Jesus is a message from God, in a language we all understand: relationship. Jesus explains God to us in a way we could never understand otherwise. Here, John also repeats the claim that Jesus is God. The Greek term monogenes is used here, as well as in verse 14 and John 3:16, both for the phrase "one and only." This word means Jesus is of the exact same "stuff" as God the Father.

No human being has ever spoken or written the Logos..."Word" of God. ( Original Position)

God is KNOWN and HEARD only through listening.

Only Ignorance is original knowledge. The Bliss of Not-Knowing. The knowing you are KNOWN.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:52 pm No human ever wrote or spoke God's Vocabulary. Only through Jesus the man is the word of God HEARD.

It's all very simple.

From what I’ve seen, the intellectual appeal of Christianity is redemption for sins, and that can give emotional peace after awakening to the suffering left in one’s wake.

Once personal causes of suffering are on the radar, then the need for atonement naturally follows redemption, and keeps it renewed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Agc9jyadqfI

The seeker of truth already holds all the answers to every question. As logic demands that every question must contain it's own answer. And this is why the human species is an imaginitive being.

It would be unthinkable to ask HOW is God possible, it would be like asking HOW 'am i' possible. You do not need to think about such things like how 'am i' possible, for you already exist prior to thinking about anything. . . so HOW was that possible? that's the real question? that question can only be answered by inverting the original question into the answer which is I'mpossible.

So all that you can be certain of knowing right now is that YOU ARE without doubt or error, there is no question about that, and so the buck stops there, right here. Everything else is just pure imagination.
HOW is it possible that there is only ONE sentient creature on the planet who is abundantly endowed with the most creative and vivid imagination, who is able to build incredible sophisticated technologies that can even surpass our own biological intellectual capacity to think? We can only imagine HOW that is possible. So many, even multitudes of ideas and theories crop up all the time in the mind of man in the desire to know the answer of HOW 'i am' possible, not to forget, the desire to know from where did I come from and why am I here.

The point is...there is an innate CAUSE seeking energy embodied within the mind of man, so of course this energy is going to imagine all manner of ways of finding what it is looking for. The phenonema cannot be avoided. It's a real phenomena, and it's effects are seen without doubt or error, they are self-evident undeniable and irrefutable. Ideas are infinite and inexhaustible available to us as and through the vehicle of expression which is the body of man.

Think about this...what is seen can never be unseen. What is written can never be unwritten. It's all saved.

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(Proverbs 9:10). Now Isaiah shows us the God who is the source of that knowledge and wisdom, and why our understanding of who God is matters in our life and work.

God has given us our very being: “[You] have been borne by me from your birth, carried from the womb; even to your old age I am he, even when you turn gray I will carry you. I have made, and I will bear; I will carry and will save” (Is. 46:3-4).

God has given us knowledge and understanding: “I am the Lord your God who teaches you for your own good, who leads you in the way you should go” (Is. 48:17). The God who made us and gave us understanding is the only source of such knowledge.

Isaiah takes us repeatedly to a vision of God that, once grasped, will cause us to bow low in humble adoration. God is the source of all that we are, all that we have and all that we know. Three hundred years earlier, Solomon had encapsulated this truth: “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge” (Proverbs 1:7) and “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom”

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:01 am The seeker of truth already holds all the answers to every question. As logic demands that every question must contain it's own answer. And this is why the human species is an imaginitive being.

It would be unthinkable to ask HOW is God possible, it would be like asking HOW 'am i' possible. You do not need to think about such things like how 'am i' possible, for you already exist prior to thinking about anything. . . so HOW was that possible? that's the real question? that question can only be answered by inverting the original question into the answer which is I'mpossible.

So all that you can be certain of knowing right now is that YOU ARE without doubt or error, there is no question about that, and so the buck stops there, right here. Everything else is just pure imagination.
HOW is it possible that there is only ONE sentient creature on the planet who is abundantly endowed with the most creative and vivid imagination, who is able to build incredible sophisticated technologies that can even surpass our own biological intellectual capacity to think? We can only imagine HOW that is possible. So many, even multitudes of ideas and theories crop up all the time in the mind of man in the desire to know the answer of HOW 'i am' possible, not to forget, the desire to know from where did I come from and why am I here.

The point is...there is an innate CAUSE seeking energy embodied within the mind of man, so of course this energy is going to imagine all manner of ways of finding what it is looking for. The phenonema cannot be avoided. It's a real phenomena, and it's effects are seen without doubt or error, they are self-evident undeniable and irrefutable. Ideas are infinite and inexhaustible available to us as and through the vehicle of expression which is the body of man.

Think about this...what is seen can never be unseen. What is written can never be unwritten. It's all saved.

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(Proverbs 9:10). Now Isaiah shows us the God who is the source of that knowledge and wisdom, and why our understanding of who God is matters in our life and work.

God has given us our very being: “[You] have been borne by me from your birth, carried from the womb; even to your old age I am he, even when you turn gray I will carry you. I have made, and I will bear; I will carry and will save” (Is. 46:3-4).

God has given us knowledge and understanding: “I am the Lord your God who teaches you for your own good, who leads you in the way you should go” (Is. 48:17). The God who made us and gave us understanding is the only source of such knowledge.

Isaiah takes us repeatedly to a vision of God that, once grasped, will cause us to bow low in humble adoration. God is the source of all that we are, all that we have and all that we know. Three hundred years earlier, Solomon had encapsulated this truth: “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge” (Proverbs 1:7) and “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom”

posting from tv which is difficult...but will keep it short, that was pretty darn good. Was the top bit you!?
i dont agree with 1st line tho



Also, maybe i need to read Isiah...eyes higher

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:09 am
posting from tv which is difficult...but will keep it short, that was pretty darn good. Was the top bit you!?
i dont agree with 1st line tho

Yes the the bold print was all my own, coming from my own personal heart of knowing.
The first line I believe is true in the context that the kingdom of heaven is within you, you do not have to seek farther. Father is within you. The Holy texts are his voice to all those who listen.

It's time to get right with our Father God. That's what I'm doing.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 3:09 amAlso, maybe i need to read Isiah...eyes higher

Is Genesis History?

I personally believe that The Bible is historically, scientifically, and geologically correct.

The proof and evidence of creator God is already within you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM82qxx ... R&index=16

The Bible, the greatest story ever told. His story.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:01 am Think about this...what is seen can never be unseen. What is written can never be unwritten. It's all saved.

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Think about the Akashic record(s).

Have you used it as a reference source?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:01 am The seeker of truth already holds all the answers to every question. As logic demands that every question must contain it's own answer. And this is why the human species is an imaginitive being.

Imagination tells part of the story.
- Imagination refers to karmic knowledge.
- Clarity refers to innate knowledge.
- Situations clearly understood in terms of innate knowledge are often simple, non-conceptual, and survival oriented, such as: this is good and that is bad, or such as that big bear I see in the forest sees me, and he’s hungry.
- You just know it, with clarity, and sometimes the discovery arrives as a sinking feeling in the gut, before the bear is there.
- To ignore the innate clarity is an error.
- Karmic knowledge may contradict innate knowledge and in the extreme contradiction you end up with Winston Smith from 1984, a neurotic mess.
- However, when clarity permeates dualistic understanding of rules and propriety, then freedom of mind is possible in any circumstance, from the extremes of refugee desperation to status quo and in between.
- Follow?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:01 am
So all that you can be certain of knowing right now is that YOU ARE without doubt or error, there is no question about that, and so the buck stops there, right here. Everything else is just pure imagination.

As Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj noticed, I Am is all we know for sure, all else is inference. Interesting note, these saints and enlightened beings have been known to appear in more than one body, such as in the form of a regular on the corner stool down at the corner tavern.

Here’s the contemplation. All else is inference. Inference either reflects the way things were, the way things are, the way things will be … or it does not. The degree to which it does is called reality. The degree to which it does not is called delusion.

There is another realm, where the inner becomes the outer. Here, imagination and the objective world are one, the creator of each is the same. You think it, and it appears. This is most commonly known as immense material wealth.

However, when time is transcended the principle applies to a single transient lifetime, one can see in memory that the child saw with utmost clarity what is to be, makes all the right moves, and imagination becomes reality as the three times become one, outside of time. What is, always was to be.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:01 am
The point is...there is an innate CAUSE seeking energy embodied within the mind of man, so of course this energy is going to imagine all manner of ways of finding what it is looking for. The phenonema cannot be avoided.

Although not fully understood, energy can be led in directions, in known ways in which inevitability supplants the energy of any one individual and co-op's other individual energy sources to naturally maintain perpetual motion ... such as what has happened with the energy that sustains Christianity.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:03 am
Think about the Akashic record(s).

Have you used it as a reference source?

No, I have not used the Akashic record(s) as a reference source.

What I said earlier: what is seen can never be unseen just came out of my own reasoning logical sense.

On the other hand, I have heard of the Akashic record(s) idea. But as of yet, I have not really studied the idea in great detail, but I can well imagine what the Akashic record(s) mean, in the context that all that is known can never be unknown, and that all known knowledge is saved to file. And that knowledge filed can never be defiled.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:11 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:01 am
The point is...there is an innate CAUSE seeking energy embodied within the mind of man, so of course this energy is going to imagine all manner of ways of finding what it is looking for. The phenonema cannot be avoided.

Although not fully understood, energy can be led in directions, in known ways in which inevitability supplants the energy of any one individual and co-op's other individual energy sources to naturally maintain perpetual motion ... such as what has happened with the energy that sustains Christianity.

The way I see it, is that the one infinite love energy, when apparently separated in space time duality, ( the dream) yearns to come together again in unity, because the separation is too painful. In the same context when a man or a woman in true God love are parted they yearn to be together again. Same applies to the mother and child reunion, when the child is separated from it's mother, it will feel stressed and confused, it's painful for the child, although the pain vanishes upon reunion with it's mother.

The child is inside the mother, planted via the Father, the seed at conception...this is all God's Knowledge.

When the child leaves it's mothers womb, the child then feels the sense of separation from the mother, it becomes a separate being from the mother. That's the pain of separation. In reality, the father, mother and child are all the same one love energy dreaming difference where there is none, as and through knowledge.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:15 am What I said earlier: what is seen can never be unseen just came out of my own reasoning logical sense.

You discovered the principle of Pandora's Box, which pre-existed in infinite potentiality, and pre-existed your discovery via reason and logic, which by any other name would still smell as sweet.

Interesting how things work.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:30 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:15 am What I said earlier: what is seen can never be unseen just came out of my own reasoning logical sense.

You discovered the principle of Pandora's Box, which pre-existed in infinite potentiality, and pre-existed your discovery via reason and logic, which by any other name would still smell as sweet.

Interesting how things work.

Yes it's very interesting how things work. And that is why it is also worth remembering that each and every seedling wakes up to it's own inner oak tree in it's own good time when it's ready to understand the vastness of what was once a puny self. Every path taken and every expression of that path taken is a but just one tiny step toward full blown awakening. So there is never anything wrong with how source returns to it's own source, there is no wrong path to take here, for all paths lead to the same destination, which is back to the Godhead.

Walker wrote: ↑Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:38 am - Follow?

Many authors appear, many stories and accounts are written, which are all unique to the one who is attempting to understand the nature of reality and being. But there is only one true author, and that is God. He is the author of all authors.

He is the ONE READER of all accounts as he listens to his own words, via intuition. Judge not, lest you be judging yourself.

I follow the word of Jesus the Father God, the only true and real authority ...I do not follow the authorities, words of man who are capable of lying.

The Bible is the road map, not the actual territory. The actual territory is the direct experience of the word itself, we reap what we sow, where the proof is in the pudding. The sweet of our own making.

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