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attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:32 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?

This is a VERY good point bahman (and one indeed where for many moons I have need of a barman)

Y indeed should we be born into this REAL_IT_Y that GOD has formed us within, to then be WOT? ...entertainment?

..certainly it is not just to C if we fuk up for us to share some B_LAME?

..or is it? IS GOD that bored with knowing everything, that IT gets more kicks out of seeing US fuck up?


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Oh, come on dude. Jesus cannot be the way to the truth. What did He say that made you believe otherwise?

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:58 pm Oh, come on dude. Jesus cannot be the way to the truth.

What truth? If U mean whether or not God exists, then certainly since I have gnosis - and was born into Christianity (not the stupid North American evangelist crap) - it appears, that indeed it was required - that to know God, one must 1st go via the word(s) of Christ.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:58 pm What did He say that made you believe otherwise?

..the thing about the above (plus - since my gnosis - my sage has insisted HE did what HE did - got crucified for the cause, if that doesn't deserve respect, and a path to comprehension of God, then not sure what does)

What is your 'religion' of choice?

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
People in name of God who does not exist.

The ABSURDITY and RIDICULOUSNESS of this response is Truly SURPRISING, especially considering just how far 'human beings' have been existing for.

There is nothing absurd in my response.

Your FLAT OUT REFUSAL, with ABSOLUTELY NO CURIOSITY NOR CLARIFICATION AT ALL, here is just ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of a human being only LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' from their ALREADY held onto BELIEFS, ONLY.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Yes, and that is the only difference between them.

LOL What a joke. The ONLY difference.

Again, you don't understand it.

What is the 'it', which I SUPPOSEDLY do NOT understand?

Also, if I do NOT understand 'it', then is this MY FAULT ALONE, especially considering how much time I have spent trying to gain CLARITY from 'you'?

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
All sorts of things, getting punished by society for doing sin for example.

Are you 'trying to' suggest here that adult human beings do NOT get punished by society for doing, so called, "sin"'?

Sure.

What are you saying here, that adults do NOT get punished or that they do AS WELL?

If it is the former, then what is the ACTUAL DIFFERENCE HERE.

YOUR DETRACTING RESPONSES, by the way, take some effort to bring things back on track.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm You either resist the sin or break at your threshold and sin.

Completely OFF TOPIC.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
That might be the case. Mostly adults know more.

OF COURSE adults BELIEVE that they KNOW more. They have after all lived longer and thus have EXPERIENCED MORE.

So you agree?

Are you telling me or asking me? Your use of the question mark at the end conflicts with your statement here.

Either way, 'what' do I agree on, EXACTLY?

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:48 pm
Adult is more knowledgeable and probably more resistance against stress or sin.

Just as I alluded to earlier you have NOT YET worked out what the ACTUAL MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION ACTUALLY IS between 'child and 'adult'.

Subtract your life experience from yourself and see if you could do anything coherent like thinking. Therefore, the only diference between young and adult is the experiences.

If this is what you BELIEVE is true and you are NOT OPEN to ANY 'thing' else, then there is, literally, NOTHING more to say here regarding this.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 am
The ABSURDITY and RIDICULOUSNESS of this response is Truly SURPRISING, especially considering just how far 'human beings' have been existing for.

There is nothing absurd in my response.

Your FLAT OUT REFUSAL, with ABSOLUTELY NO CURIOSITY NOR CLARIFICATION AT ALL, here is just ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of a human being only LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' from their ALREADY held onto BELIEFS, ONLY.

There is no God (I have an argument against it). People do things in the name of God. So what I said is correct. What part you have an objection to.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 am
Are you 'trying to' suggest here that adult human beings do NOT get punished by society for doing, so called, "sin"'?

Sure.

What are you saying here, that adults do NOT get punished or that they do AS WELL?

If it is the former, then what is the ACTUAL DIFFERENCE HERE.

YOUR DETRACTING RESPONSES, by the way, take some effort to bring things back on track.

They get punished. They shouldn't be punsished.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm You either resist the sin or break at your threshold and sin.

Completely OFF TOPIC.

Completely relevant.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:50 am OF COURSE adults BELIEVE that they KNOW more. They have after all lived longer and thus have EXPERIENCED MORE.

So you agree?

Are you telling me or asking me? Your use of the question mark at the end conflicts with your statement here.

Either way, 'what' do I agree on, EXACTLY?

I should have said, "So you agree with me?".

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:10 am Just as I alluded to earlier you have NOT YET worked out what the ACTUAL MASSIVELY HUGE DISTINCTION ACTUALLY IS between 'child and 'adult'.

Subtract your life experience from yourself and see if you could do anything coherent like thinking. Therefore, the only diference between young and adult is the experiences.

If this is what you BELIEVE is true and you are NOT OPEN to ANY 'thing' else, then there is, literally, NOTHING more to say here regarding this.

So do you agree with me?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:58 pm Oh, come on dude. Jesus cannot be the way to the truth.

What truth? If U mean whether or not God exists, then certainly since I have gnosis - and was born into Christianity (not the stupid North American evangelist crap) - it appears, that indeed it was required - that to know God, one must 1st go via the word(s) of Christ.

I have an argument against God. Do you want to hear it?

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:58 pm What did He say that made you believe otherwise?

..the thing about the above (plus - since my gnosis - my sage has insisted HE did what HE did - got crucified for the cause, if that doesn't deserve respect, and a path to comprehension of God, then not sure what does)

What is your 'religion' of choice?

So you have an argument for the existence of God?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm
There is nothing absurd in my response.

Your FLAT OUT REFUSAL, with ABSOLUTELY NO CURIOSITY NOR CLARIFICATION AT ALL, here is just ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of a human being only LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' from their ALREADY held onto BELIEFS, ONLY.

There is no God (I have an argument against it).

You are here now just REAFFIRMING and just FURTHER PROVING what I just said here.

Also, how many times do 'you', adult human beings, need to be told that you can have a, so called, "argument" but if it is NOT a valid and sound argument, then it can just be refuted anyway?

By the way, saying; "There is no God (I have an argument 'against it')", could be read as you have an argument 'against' or 'for' God. So, which one is it?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm People do things in the name of God.

People do things in the name of lots of 'things'. But, SO WHAT?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm So what I said is correct. What part you have an objection to.

I NEVER said ANY thing about 'objecting' ANY thing here. What I ACTUALLY said was:
Your FLAT OUT REFUSAL, with ABSOLUTELY NO CURIOSITY NOR CLARIFICATION AT ALL, here is just ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of a human being only LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' from their ALREADY held onto BELIEFS, ONLY.

In other words, you are BLIND to ANY thing other than what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm
Sure.

What are you saying here, that adults do NOT get punished or that they do AS WELL?

If it is the former, then what is the ACTUAL DIFFERENCE HERE.

YOUR DETRACTING RESPONSES, by the way, take some effort to bring things back on track.

They get punished. They shouldn't be punsished.

Who should NOT be punished?

I find you have a way of writing that does NOT make things ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. That is; you use words like 'they' and 'it', but with NO actual reference to what 'they' are NOR 'it' is.

For example, just now we were talking about adults AND children. So, which one is 'it'?

And, you NEVER answered the ACTUAL clarifying question posed to you. So, what you are essentially doing by answering the way you did here was just TO DETRACT/DEFLECT, ONCE AGAIN.

You do this BECAUSE 'you' can NOT back up and support what you SAY and CLAIM here.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm You either resist the sin or break at your threshold and sin.

Completely OFF TOPIC.

Completely relevant.

If you say so, but ONLY 'you' KNOW what 'it' is that 'you' are talking about here now, correct?

Of, if ANY one else KNOWS, please will you let me KNOW as well?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm
So you agree?

Are you telling me or asking me? Your use of the question mark at the end conflicts with your statement here.

Either way, 'what' do I agree on, EXACTLY?

I should have said, "So you agree with me?".

LOL Do you PURPOSELY write the way you do just to EXTEND the discussion?

Or, do you REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND what I said and was asking here?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:56 pm
Subtract your life experience from yourself and see if you could do anything coherent like thinking. Therefore, the only diference between young and adult is the experiences.

If this is what you BELIEVE is true and you are NOT OPEN to ANY 'thing' else, then there is, literally, NOTHING more to say here regarding this.

So do you agree with me?

ON WHAT, EXACTLY?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:08 pm I have an argument against God. Do you want to hear it?

Yes.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:58 pm So you have an argument for the existence of God?

Depending on what the word 'God' means I have.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:08 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:58 pm Oh, come on dude. Jesus cannot be the way to the truth.

What truth? If U mean whether or not God exists, then certainly since I have gnosis - and was born into Christianity (not the stupid North American evangelist crap) - it appears, that indeed it was required - that to know God, one must 1st go via the word(s) of Christ.

I have an argument against God. Do you want to hear it?

Not too sure wot U mean dude? Are U arguing against the existence of God - or its attributes?

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:08 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:58 pm What did He say that made you believe otherwise?

..the thing about the above (plus - since my gnosis - my sage has insisted HE did what HE did - got crucified for the cause, if that doesn't deserve respect, and a path to comprehension of God, then not sure what does)

What is your 'religion' of choice?

So you have an argument for the existence of God?

Fuk yeah - more than 1.

As in is God divine or A.I. - intelligent species created as entropy increases. ?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:34 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am Your FLAT OUT REFUSAL, with ABSOLUTELY NO CURIOSITY NOR CLARIFICATION AT ALL, here is just ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of a human being only LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' from their ALREADY held onto BELIEFS, ONLY.

There is no God (I have an argument against it).

You are here now just REAFFIRMING and just FURTHER PROVING what I just said here.

Also, how many times do 'you', adult human beings, need to be told that you can have a, so called, "argument" but if it is NOT a valid and sound argument, then it can just be refuted anyway?

By the way, saying; "There is no God (I have an argument 'against it')", could be read as you have an argument 'against' or 'for' God. So, which one is it?

Regress. Can we agree that the regress cannot be real? I am asking because the proof is based on the impossibility of regress. By the way, I think we have discussed it in another thread.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:34 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm People do things in the name of God.

People do things in the name of lots of 'things'. But, SO WHAT?

Here we are discussing the philosophy of religion so the blame is on people who believe in God and do things in the name of God.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:34 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm So what I said is correct. What part you have an objection to.

I NEVER said ANY thing about 'objecting' ANY thing here. What I ACTUALLY said was:
Your FLAT OUT REFUSAL, with ABSOLUTELY NO CURIOSITY NOR CLARIFICATION AT ALL, here is just ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of a human being only LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' from their ALREADY held onto BELIEFS, ONLY.

In other words, you are BLIND to ANY thing other than what you ALREADY BELIEVE is true.

So, you are thinking that what I say is my belief while I think it is true? But if that is true then you are objecting.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:34 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am What are you saying here, that adults do NOT get punished or that they do AS WELL?

If it is the former, then what is the ACTUAL DIFFERENCE HERE.

YOUR DETRACTING RESPONSES, by the way, take some effort to bring things back on track.

They get punished. They shouldn't be punsished.

Who should NOT be punished?

I find you have a way of writing that does NOT make things ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. That is; you use words like 'they' and 'it', but with NO actual reference to what 'they' are NOR 'it' is.

For example, just now we were talking about adults AND children. So, which one is 'it'?

And, you NEVER answered the ACTUAL clarifying question posed to you. So, what you are essentially doing by answering the way you did here was just TO DETRACT/DEFLECT, ONCE AGAIN.

You do this BECAUSE 'you' can NOT back up and support what you SAY and CLAIM here.

The one who sins should not be punished.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am Completely OFF TOPIC.

Completely relevant.

If you say so, but ONLY 'you' KNOW what 'it' is that 'you' are talking about here now, correct?

Of, if ANY one else KNOWS, please will you let me KNOW as well?

Read through the sentence again and figure out that it is relevant. I cannot make it clearer than that.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am Are you telling me or asking me? Your use of the question mark at the end conflicts with your statement here.

Either way, 'what' do I agree on, EXACTLY?

I should have said, "So you agree with me?".

LOL Do you PURPOSELY write the way you do just to EXTEND the discussion?

Or, do you REALLY NOT UNDERSTAND what I said and was asking here?

So you agree with me?

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:57 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:57 am If this is what you BELIEVE is true and you are NOT OPEN to ANY 'thing' else, then there is, literally, NOTHING more to say here regarding this.

So do you agree with me?

ON WHAT, EXACTLY?

One everything which was subject of the discussion.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:38 am

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:08 pm I have an argument against God. Do you want to hear it?

Yes.

There are two states of affair in act of the creation, nothing then something respectively. One state of affair follows another one. This act requires time. Time is a part of the creation itself. Therefore, the act of creation is impossible since this (the act requires time and time is a part of creation) leads to regress.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:38 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:58 pm So you have an argument for the existence of God?

Depending on what the word 'God' means I have.

The creator of everything.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:38 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:08 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am
What truth? If U mean whether or not God exists, then certainly since I have gnosis - and was born into Christianity (not the stupid North American evangelist crap) - it appears, that indeed it was required - that to know God, one must 1st go via the word(s) of Christ.

I have an argument against God. Do you want to hear it?

Not too sure wot U mean dude? Are U arguing against the existence of God - or its attributes?

I have an argument against the existence of the creator/God.

bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:08 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:38 pm ..the thing about the above (plus - since my gnosis - my sage has insisted HE did what HE did - got crucified for the cause, if that doesn't deserve respect, and a path to comprehension of God, then not sure what does)

What is your 'religion' of choice?

So you have an argument for the existence of God?

Fuk yeah - more than 1.

As in is God divine or A.I. - intelligent species created as entropy increases. ?

Could you please share one of them here so we can discuss it?

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?

We should not.

The god religions are full of moral cowards who fear telling the genocidal god, Yahweh, to shove his homophobic and misogynous religion up from where he pulled them out of.

The false blame religions have created is just to loosen the purse strings.

Indulgences are always under demand. Keep the cash flowing out of the marks pockets.

Regards
DL

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:26 am

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:58 pm Oh, come on dude. Jesus cannot be the way to the truth.

What truth? If U mean whether or not God exists, then certainly since I have gnosis - and was born into Christianity (not the stupid North American evangelist crap) - it appears, that indeed it was required - that to know God, one must 1st go via the word(s) of Christ.

bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:58 pm What did He say that made you believe otherwise?

..the thing about the above (plus - since my gnosis - my sage has insisted HE did what HE did - got crucified for the cause, if that doesn't deserve respect, and a path to comprehension of God, then not sure what does)

What is your 'religion' of choice?

??

Gnostics are not usually foolish enough to be literalists or believe in a real supernatural Jesus Christ.

That would take a supernatural belief and no Gnostic worth his salt will allow his mind to be corrupted by a supernatural belief.

Regards
DL

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?

as I reckon it: god doesn't blame us for diddly

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:19 am

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 pm Why should we be blamed for coming to this world and playing a role that God is the Grand Designer?

as I reckon it: god doesn't blame us for diddly

Oh, I see, so there is no Hell.