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Probably so.Walker wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:26 amYou will forget them even sooner because you don't know them.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:52 am Probably not. Although, some of those more intimately affected might.
I stand corrected. There is nothing in there about one's dying accidentally via an 'act of stupidity'.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:00 amI'm not 100% sure. As far as I know, it generally refers to people who just take themselves out of the gene pool doing really stupid stuff.Age wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:42 pmI thought the darwin awards went to those who killed themselves doing stupid things,Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:51 pm They've apparently identified the person most likely responsible. Some former IT guy. Blew himself up in the name of what, God only knows. No motive discernable yet. A real Darwin award winner, no doubt.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/an ... d=msedgdhp
accidentally.
Did that one forget to get out of the vehicle?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_AwardsThe Darwin Awards are a tongue-in-cheek honor originating in Usenet newsgroup discussions around 1985. They recognize individuals who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by selecting themselves out of the gene pool from dying or becoming sterilized via their own actions.
The project became more formalized with the creation of a website in 1993, followed by a series of books starting in 2000 by Wendy Northcutt. The criterion for the awards states: "In the spirit of Charles Darwin, the Darwin Awards commemorate individuals who protect our gene pool by making the ultimate sacrifice of their own lives. Darwin Award winners eliminate themselves in an extraordinarily idiotic manner, thereby improving our species' chances of long-term survival."[1]
Accidental self-sterilisation also qualifies; however, the site notes: "Of necessity, the award is usually bestowed posthumously." The candidate is disqualified, though, if "innocent bystanders" are killed in the process, as they might have contributed positively to the gene pool. The logical problem presented by award winners who may have already reproduced is not addressed in the selection process due to the difficulty of ascertaining whether or not a person has children; the Darwin Award rules state that the presence of offspring does not disqualify a nominee
I'd say anyone who does something like blow up an entire city block--endangering the lives of countless others--just to commit suicide is a thoughtless inconsiderate piece of shit who deserves ridicule. No? Or are we now empathizing with suicide bombers?Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:04 amI stand corrected. There is nothing in there about one's dying accidentally via an 'act of stupidity'.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:00 amI'm not 100% sure. As far as I know, it generally refers to people who just take themselves out of the gene pool doing really stupid stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_AwardsThe Darwin Awards are a tongue-in-cheek honor originating in Usenet newsgroup discussions around 1985. They recognize individuals who have supposedly contributed to human evolution by selecting themselves out of the gene pool from dying or becoming sterilized via their own actions.
The project became more formalized with the creation of a website in 1993, followed by a series of books starting in 2000 by Wendy Northcutt. The criterion for the awards states: "In the spirit of Charles Darwin, the Darwin Awards commemorate individuals who protect our gene pool by making the ultimate sacrifice of their own lives. Darwin Award winners eliminate themselves in an extraordinarily idiotic manner, thereby improving our species' chances of long-term survival."[1]
Accidental self-sterilisation also qualifies; however, the site notes: "Of necessity, the award is usually bestowed posthumously." The candidate is disqualified, though, if "innocent bystanders" are killed in the process, as they might have contributed positively to the gene pool. The logical problem presented by award winners who may have already reproduced is not addressed in the selection process due to the difficulty of ascertaining whether or not a person has children; the Darwin Award rules state that the presence of offspring does not disqualify a nominee
But, in recognizing and saying this, I would NOT say nor suggest that one just committing 'suicide', which some would classify are ALL 'acts of stupidity' is an 'act of stupidity' at all. That is; I found that if one does not want to live anymore, then it would be far more an 'act of stupidity' to just keep living. However, in saying this, the Truly sad and unfortunate Truth that ANY human being does not want to live ANY more is a HUGE blight on human society, itself.
If adult human beings have created a 'world' in which some human beings do not want to live in it anymore, then this is an OBVIOUS SIGN that something NEEDS to be changed. Therefore, the True 'act of STUPIDITY' here is what is 'it', which you adult human beings are doing, that is causing some of your OWN fellow beings to want to commit suicide so as to not have to bear living with in this human created 'world' anymore?
From what I have observed, laughing AT people and ridiculing them causes them to feel 'left out' and 'alone'. And, what is Truly STUPID and Truly SAD here is that there are some people who feel so ALONE and feel that there is absolutely NO hope anymore, that they would prefer to die all the while feeling that they could not be listened to or could not be heard by anyone. They have obviously felt so alone that they could not turn to absolutely ANY one else. So, they have preferred to kill themselves and be dead rather than to live in this one and only Life, alone.
And what makes this even more sad and depressing is that 'you', human beings have made up some, so called, "prize" for these VERY SAD and LONELY people, and have REWARDED them with the title of being "STUPID".
Do 'you', adult human beings, ever really just STOP and consider the consequences from some of the things that you ALL do?
Laughing AT a human being because they were doing something REALLY STUPID, and then they 'accidentally' died from doing that, is one thing. But laughing AT your fellow human being because they did not want to SUFFER anymore and could NOT handle just wanting to live anymore in this 'world', SHOWS just how callous and cruel human beings have Truly become.
What makes this even the more worse is that when 'you', adult human beings, are laughing AT these people and behaving like this 'you' are teaching your children that it is PERFECTLY FINE and ACCEPTABLE to laugh AT and RIDICULE people, even when they are "on their last legs" or "at the end of their tether" and have even killed themselves.
If 'you' are going to "reward people for 'eliminating themselves", then no wonder more and more people commit suicide every year.
And also, if you are going to ridicule people for doing 'stupid things', which EVERY one does anyway, then no wonder more and more people are going to WANT to commit suicide every year.
Laughing WITH each other at the stupid things we ALL do is one thing. But laughing AT, and RIDICULING, people for the stupid things that they do is ANOTHER 'thing', which the consequences of this mis/behavior should be OBVIOUS, by now, in the days of when this is being written.
I am pretty sure it is possible to count the number of people within a city block.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:39 amI'd say anyone who does something like blow up an entire city block--endangering the lives of countless others--Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:04 amI stand corrected. There is nothing in there about one's dying accidentally via an 'act of stupidity'.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:00 am
I'm not 100% sure. As far as I know, it generally refers to people who just take themselves out of the gene pool doing really stupid stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Awards
But, in recognizing and saying this, I would NOT say nor suggest that one just committing 'suicide', which some would classify are ALL 'acts of stupidity' is an 'act of stupidity' at all. That is; I found that if one does not want to live anymore, then it would be far more an 'act of stupidity' to just keep living. However, in saying this, the Truly sad and unfortunate Truth that ANY human being does not want to live ANY more is a HUGE blight on human society, itself.
If adult human beings have created a 'world' in which some human beings do not want to live in it anymore, then this is an OBVIOUS SIGN that something NEEDS to be changed. Therefore, the True 'act of STUPIDITY' here is what is 'it', which you adult human beings are doing, that is causing some of your OWN fellow beings to want to commit suicide so as to not have to bear living with in this human created 'world' anymore?
From what I have observed, laughing AT people and ridiculing them causes them to feel 'left out' and 'alone'. And, what is Truly STUPID and Truly SAD here is that there are some people who feel so ALONE and feel that there is absolutely NO hope anymore, that they would prefer to die all the while feeling that they could not be listened to or could not be heard by anyone. They have obviously felt so alone that they could not turn to absolutely ANY one else. So, they have preferred to kill themselves and be dead rather than to live in this one and only Life, alone.
And what makes this even more sad and depressing is that 'you', human beings have made up some, so called, "prize" for these VERY SAD and LONELY people, and have REWARDED them with the title of being "STUPID".
Do 'you', adult human beings, ever really just STOP and consider the consequences from some of the things that you ALL do?
Laughing AT a human being because they were doing something REALLY STUPID, and then they 'accidentally' died from doing that, is one thing. But laughing AT your fellow human being because they did not want to SUFFER anymore and could NOT handle just wanting to live anymore in this 'world', SHOWS just how callous and cruel human beings have Truly become.
What makes this even the more worse is that when 'you', adult human beings, are laughing AT these people and behaving like this 'you' are teaching your children that it is PERFECTLY FINE and ACCEPTABLE to laugh AT and RIDICULE people, even when they are "on their last legs" or "at the end of their tether" and have even killed themselves.
If 'you' are going to "reward people for 'eliminating themselves", then no wonder more and more people commit suicide every year.
And also, if you are going to ridicule people for doing 'stupid things', which EVERY one does anyway, then no wonder more and more people are going to WANT to commit suicide every year.
Laughing WITH each other at the stupid things we ALL do is one thing. But laughing AT, and RIDICULING, people for the stupid things that they do is ANOTHER 'thing', which the consequences of this mis/behavior should be OBVIOUS, by now, in the days of when this is being written.
You do NOT have ANY CLUE AT ALL why that one did what they did, do you?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:39 am just to commit suicide is a thoughtless inconsiderate piece of shit who deserves ridicule. No?
True 'empathy' comes from understanding, itself.
It depends upon the circumstance, but generally, no.
I empathize with people who don't commit atrocities. I would never encourage anyone to commit suicide, especially if it would take other people with them.Do you ONLY empathize with those who commit suicide in other ways?
Or, do you NOT empathize with ANY one who commits suicide?
AND you can use the word 'empathize' here in the way you use it or in the way I used it. Either way is of NO REAL concern to me here now. Just your completely Honest answers would be appreciated.
How is killing one's self with a bomb an 'atrocity', exactly?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:17 amNo.
I empathize with people who don't commit atrocities.Do you ONLY empathize with those who commit suicide in other ways?
Or, do you NOT empathize with ANY one who commits suicide?
AND you can use the word 'empathize' here in the way you use it or in the way I used it. Either way is of NO REAL concern to me here now. Just your completely Honest answers would be appreciated.
So, some people you would discourage less to kill themselves than you would with others, correct?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:17 am I would never encourage anyone to commit suicide, especially if it would take other people with them.
Yes I do.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:17 am Now my question, do you empathize with Hitler, why or why not?
What would you say a person is who is about to commit suicide with a bomb but warns others to get out of the way so that they do NOT get injured?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:39 am
I'd say anyone who does something like blow up an entire city block--endangering the lives of countless others--just to commit suicide is a thoughtless inconsiderate piece of shit who deserves ridicule. No? Or are we now empathizing with suicide bombers?
OK. Fine. You empathize with people who commit crimes against humanity. I don't. A person can't even display disapproval of someone endangering the lives of people by blowing up a city block without someone taking him to task for it. Humanity is doomed.Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:35 amHow is killing one's self with a bomb an 'atrocity', exactly?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:17 amNo.
I empathize with people who don't commit atrocities.Do you ONLY empathize with those who commit suicide in other ways?
Or, do you NOT empathize with ANY one who commits suicide?
AND you can use the word 'empathize' here in the way you use it or in the way I used it. Either way is of NO REAL concern to me here now. Just your completely Honest answers would be appreciated.
So, some people you would discourage less to kill themselves than you would with others, correct?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:17 am I would never encourage anyone to commit suicide, especially if it would take other people with them.
Yes I do.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:17 am Now my question, do you empathize with Hitler, why or why not?
Because of what the word 'empathize' means, to me.
I ALREADY FULLY understand WHY EVERY human being does what they do, including that human being that you just mentioned here now.
In case you are still UNAWARE we appear to be using the word 'empathize' in two very different ways.
I EMPATHIZE with EVERY human being.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:54 amOK. Fine. You empathize with criminals. I don't.Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:35 amHow is killing one's self with a bomb an 'atrocity', exactly?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:17 am
No.
I empathize with people who don't commit atrocities.
So, some people you would discourage less to kill themselves than you would with others, correct?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:17 am I would never encourage anyone to commit suicide, especially if it would take other people with them.
Yes I do.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:17 am Now my question, do you empathize with Hitler, why or why not?
Because of what the word 'empathize' means, to me.
I ALREADY FULLY understand WHY EVERY human being does what they do, including that human being that you just mentioned here now.
In case you are still UNAWARE we appear to be using the word 'empathize' in two very different ways.
YES. I can SEE very CLEARLY WHY 'you' are such an "angry" human being, at this moment. I can ALSO SEE very CLEARLY WHY that human being did what they did. I can ALSO see VERY CLEARLY WHY you can NOT and will NOT focus on what I have ACTUALLY SAID and have DISTORTED it in such a way to help "sympathize" with your OWN DISTORTED BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:54 am A person can't even display disapproval of someone endangering the lives of people by blowing up a city block without someone taking him to task for it. Humanity is doomed.
It makes me angry to see shit like what that guy did. Do you "empathize" with my anger? Can you see why it angers me?
Talking about distortion, where did I say a person is a criminal just for committing suicide?Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:05 pmI EMPATHIZE with EVERY human being.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:54 amOK. Fine. You empathize with criminals. I don't.Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:35 am
How is killing one's self with a bomb an 'atrocity', exactly?
So, some people you would discourage less to kill themselves than you would with others, correct?
Yes I do.
Because of what the word 'empathize' means, to me.
I ALREADY FULLY understand WHY EVERY human being does what they do, including that human being that you just mentioned here now.
In case you are still UNAWARE we appear to be using the word 'empathize' in two very different ways.
YES. I can SEE very CLEARLY WHY 'you' are such an "angry" human being, at this moment. I can ALSO SEE very CLEARLY WHY that human being did what they did. I can ALSO see VERY CLEARLY WHY you can NOT and will NOT focus on what I have ACTUALLY SAID and have DISTORTED it in such a way to help "sympathize" with your OWN DISTORTED BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:54 am A person can't even display disapproval of someone endangering the lives of people by blowing up a city block without someone taking him to task for it. Humanity is doomed.
It makes me angry to see shit like what that guy did. Do you "empathize" with my anger? Can you see why it angers me?
I ALSO CLEARLY SEE WHY and HOW 'you' have gained and maintain those DISTORTED BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.
By the way, how is having committed suicide make one a, so called, "criminal".
You did NOT.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:07 pmTalking about distortion, where did I say a person is a criminal just for committing suicide?Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:05 pmI EMPATHIZE with EVERY human being.
YES. I can SEE very CLEARLY WHY 'you' are such an "angry" human being, at this moment. I can ALSO SEE very CLEARLY WHY that human being did what they did. I can ALSO see VERY CLEARLY WHY you can NOT and will NOT focus on what I have ACTUALLY SAID and have DISTORTED it in such a way to help "sympathize" with your OWN DISTORTED BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 11:54 am A person can't even display disapproval of someone endangering the lives of people by blowing up a city block without someone taking him to task for it. Humanity is doomed.
It makes me angry to see shit like what that guy did. Do you "empathize" with my anger? Can you see why it angers me?
I ALSO CLEARLY SEE WHY and HOW 'you' have gained and maintain those DISTORTED BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.
By the way, how is having committed suicide make one a, so called, "criminal".
When you said that I "empathize with criminals", then who exactly where you referring to?
Did you not say, "I EMPATHIZE with EVERY human being." Or, did you not say "Yes I do", that you empathize with Hitler? Was Hilter a criminal, yes or no? If he was then you must empathize with criminals. Right?Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:28 pmWhen you said that I "empathize with criminals", then who exactly where you referring to?
Did I NOT ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGE this when I wrote;Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:33 pmDid you not say, "I EMPATHIZE with EVERY human being." Or, did you not say "Yes I do", that you empathize with Hitler? Was Hilter a criminal, yes or no? If he was then you must empathize with criminals. Right?