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Veritas Aequitas
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Re: No Thing in Itself

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:15 pm Empiricism observes what is physically sensible.
The only physical phenomenon which can be sensed is matter.
The totality of matter cannot be sensed thus leaving the groundings of empiricism as root in what is incomprehensible.
Nope, you are equivocating again.
What is sensed as empirical are phenomenal things.

There are two senses to 'what is matter',
1. Scientific -these are empirical matters that can be justified as real

2. Ontological [Philosophy] this matter is the ontological substance which cannot be justified as real.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_theory
A totality-of-empirical-matters can be sensed empirically.

When you state 'the totality-of-matter cannot be sensed' you are speaking of it in the ontological sense, thus you cannot equivocate it with the 'grounding of the empirical'.
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Re: No Thing in Itself

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 5:44 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:15 pm Empiricism observes what is physically sensible.
The only physical phenomenon which can be sensed is matter.
The totality of matter cannot be sensed thus leaving the groundings of empiricism as root in what is incomprehensible.
Nope, you are equivocating again.
What is sensed as empirical are phenomenal things.

There are two senses to 'what is matter',
1. Scientific -these are empirical matters that can be justified as real

2. Ontological [Philosophy] this matter is the ontological substance which cannot be justified as real.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_theory
A totality-of-empirical-matters can be sensed empirically.

When you state 'the totality-of-matter cannot be sensed' you are speaking of it in the ontological sense, thus you cannot equivocate it with the 'grounding of the empirical'.
Matter is what is sensed empirically, the totality of matter cannot be observed. The totality of observable facts cannot be observed due to time thus some fact is always incomprehensible due to this regression.
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