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Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:45 pm
by attofishpi
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:29 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:54 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:51 am
All ideologies are corrupt, never mind corruptible.
I don't agree, because many people who invent an ideology have the best of intentions to be kind and selfless.However if you were to push me to name who I cannot.
Corruption and kindness are not mutually exclusive.
I not sure people set out to invent and ideology. I think ideals tend to emerge into ideologies, but "ideology" is most often intended as a word to indicate a situation when a set of ideals have broken through the barrier of reason, and has become a single lens through which people tend to see the world, blinkered.
Blinkered is better than blind
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:04 pm
by Belinda
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:29 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:54 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 11:51 am
All ideologies are corrupt, never mind corruptible.
I don't agree, because many people who invent an ideology have the best of intentions to be kind and selfless.However if you were to push me to name who I cannot.
Corruption and kindness are not mutually exclusive.
I not sure people set out to invent and ideology. I think ideals tend to emerge into ideologies, but "ideology" is most often intended as a word to indicate a situation when a set of ideals have broken through the barrier of reason, and has become a single lens through which people tend to see the world, blinkered.
Oh yes they are, Oh not they're not. Oh yes they are.
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:10 pm
by HexHammer
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:57 pm
More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit. And to say that most of it was not good or legitimate religion is another mark against it for being so easily corruptible.
Jesus when he return will undo most religions but the Judean and Hinduism, but have them changed since there are too many bad verses.
Even the muslims has a hadith (minor prophecy) that "no one will visit the Kaaba".
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:20 pm
by Sculptor
attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:45 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:29 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:54 pm
I don't agree, because many people who invent an ideology have the best of intentions to be kind and selfless.However if you were to push me to name who I cannot.
Corruption and kindness are not mutually exclusive.
I not sure people set out to invent and ideology. I think ideals tend to emerge into ideologies, but "ideology" is most often intended as a word to indicate a situation when a set of ideals have broken through the barrier of reason, and has become a single lens through which people tend to see the world, blinkered.
Blinkered is better than blind
False dichotomy
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:21 pm
by Sculptor
Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:04 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:29 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 12:54 pm
I don't agree, because many people who invent an ideology have the best of intentions to be kind and selfless.However if you were to push me to name who I cannot.
Corruption and kindness are not mutually exclusive.
I not sure people set out to invent and ideology. I think ideals tend to emerge into ideologies, but "ideology" is most often intended as a word to indicate a situation when a set of ideals have broken through the barrier of reason, and has become a single lens through which people tend to see the world, blinkered.
Oh yes they are, Oh not they're not. Oh yes they are.
Does that mean anything?
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:03 am
by Belinda
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:21 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:04 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:29 pm
Corruption and kindness are not mutually exclusive.
I not sure people set out to invent and ideology. I think ideals tend to emerge into ideologies, but "ideology" is most often intended as a word to indicate a situation when a set of ideals have broken through the barrier of reason, and has become a single lens through which people tend to see the world, blinkered.
Oh yes they are, Oh not they're not. Oh yes they are.
Does that mean anything?
Not a lot.
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:00 pm
by Sculptor
Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:03 am
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:21 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:04 pm
Oh yes they are, Oh not they're not. Oh yes they are.
Does that mean anything?
Not a lot.
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." (Tractatus 7)
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:33 pm
by Belinda
Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:00 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:03 am
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:21 pm
Does that mean anything?
Not a lot.
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." (Tractatus 7)
And quite right too.
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:24 pm
by attofishpi
Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:00 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:03 am
Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:21 pm
Does that mean anything?
Not a lot.
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." (Tractatus 7)
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one has no choice but to remain silent" (atto 101)
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:27 pm
by attofishpi
HexHammer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:10 pm
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:57 pm
More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit. And to say that most of it was not good or legitimate religion is another mark against it for being so easily corruptible.
Jesus when he return will undo most religions but the Judean and Hinduism, but have them changed since there are too many bad verses.
Even the muslims has a hadith (minor prophecy) that "no one will visit the Kaaba".
Dude. Jesus is already here, but he ain't gonna bother with this 'second coming' bollocks by revealing himself.. He hangs out with the sages, watching the world being run by morons.
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:05 am
by Belinda
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:27 pm
HexHammer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:10 pm
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:57 pm
More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit. And to say that most of it was not good or legitimate religion is another mark against it for being so easily corruptible.
Jesus when he return will undo most religions but the Judean and Hinduism, but have them changed since there are too many bad verses.
Even the muslims has a hadith (minor prophecy) that "no one will visit the Kaaba".
Dude. Jesus is already here, but he ain't gonna bother with this 'second coming' bollocks by revealing himself.. He hangs out with the sages, watching the world being run by morons.
If a sage is a wise man, nobody is a sage unless he is an active agent on behalf of good. This Evangelical belief that Jesus X will return and sort it all out is too fatalistic for safety.
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:21 pm
by attofishpi
Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:05 am
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:27 pm
HexHammer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:10 pm
Jesus when he return will undo most religions but the Judean and Hinduism, but have them changed since there are too many bad verses.
Even the muslims has a hadith (minor prophecy) that "no one will visit the Kaaba".
Dude. Jesus is already here, but he ain't gonna bother with this 'second coming' bollocks by revealing himself.. He hangs out with the sages, watching the world being run by morons.
If a sage is a wise man, nobody is a sage unless he is an active agent on behalf of good.
Of course.
Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:05 amThis Evangelical belief that Jesus X will return and sort it all out is too fatalistic for safety.
yes. If Jesus revealed himself now...with the amount of global communication...pulling bread out of a basket by the million, making wine out of water on par with a Coonawarra shiraz, chaos would ensue..
The job of Christ is done. (fuck nose wot name he is using now.)
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:55 pm
by Sculptor
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:24 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:00 pm
Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:03 am
Not a lot.
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." (Tractatus 7)
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one has no choice but to remain silent" (atto 101)
The why is it that you are always on about stuff you have not a clue about?
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:06 pm
by attofishpi
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:55 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:24 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:00 pm
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent." (Tractatus 7)
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one has no choice but to remain silent" (atto 101)
The why is it that you are always on about stuff you have not a clue about?
The Y?
..wot am I always on about that I have no clue about?
Re: putting religion in it's proper place
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:49 pm
by Sculptor
attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:06 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:55 pm
attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:24 pm
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one has no choice but to remain silent" (atto 101)
The why is it that you are always on about stuff you have not a clue about?
The Y?
..wot am I always on about that I have no clue about?
All of the above.