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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:24 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:02 pm Considering Trump's ignorance and denial throughout the Covid-19 crisis, only mindless people who have allegiance to a superficial political party identity rather than to SANITY and intelligence would vote for Trump AGAIN.

Trump having so much experiences as a CEO of a large organization would have understood the need for a team or teams of advisers to advise him on things he is not an expert in. I believe Trump would also have a team of advisers in the White House.
Trump would have received various views [at times conflicting] and whatever statements he put out earlier regarding Covid-19 could NOT have been his own personal views.

It is widely known that he does things HIS WAY, ignoring any expert advisors, even as they stand next to him in front of the cameras. You are claiming he is just a front man (spokesman), which is absurd and shows that you're not very smart. He is an insane baboon loose in the White House, and is in control of a country that is being destroyed because of it. For various reasons, there are a whole lot of mindless zombies who think he's their savior or ticket. It's a comic tragedy of epic proportions and colliding forms of insanity.

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:52 pm Maybe moral degeneration and environmental degradation are causally linked by a law of nature. That law of nature is maybe 'nature can't allow plagues to persist'.

It makes sense that any structure that relies on the stability of all its parts could come apart if any part of that system became unstable. And if there is any "sense/reason" within that system, that could inform the whole of instability.

I'm reminded of an image I just saw of how a seemingly solid moon could be pulled apart by the gravitational force of an immense planet (like Saturn) beside it.

Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:21 am If Trump gets reelected one might as well burn The Constitution as worthless. Not least, much of the Western world will consider the U.S. a lost cause no-longer to be depended on for anything which should please the likes of Putin and Xi Jinping. The devolution of America from being first in power and influence to being first in self-interest only will cause stagnation beyond any respect it already lost and continues to lose. It's a victory for Russia and China that even without a war the political infrastructures and alliances of the West are in the process of dismemberment.

America is already a laughing stock.
And who do the Democrats field as their chief candidate? Biden?? AYFK???

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:03 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:21 am If Trump gets reelected one might as well burn The Constitution as worthless. Not least, much of the Western world will consider the U.S. a lost cause no-longer to be depended on for anything which should please the likes of Putin and Xi Jinping. The devolution of America from being first in power and influence to being first in self-interest only will cause stagnation beyond any respect it already lost and continues to lose. It's a victory for Russia and China that even without a war the political infrastructures and alliances of the West are in the process of dismemberment.

America is already a laughing stock.
And who do the Democrats field as their chief candidate? Biden?? AYFK???

As in ancient Rome, which could easily survive a succession of incompetent half-insane emperors, but once the rot set in nothing could stop it from degenerating. America is undergoing its own long period of decline as is the West itself though the two may not be precisely synchronized.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:02 pm Considering Trump's ignorance and denial throughout the Covid-19 crisis, only mindless people who have allegiance to a superficial political party identity rather than to SANITY and intelligence would vote for Trump AGAIN.

Well look forward to another 4 years of your favourite president then

Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:34 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:03 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:21 am If Trump gets reelected one might as well burn The Constitution as worthless. Not least, much of the Western world will consider the U.S. a lost cause no-longer to be depended on for anything which should please the likes of Putin and Xi Jinping. The devolution of America from being first in power and influence to being first in self-interest only will cause stagnation beyond any respect it already lost and continues to lose. It's a victory for Russia and China that even without a war the political infrastructures and alliances of the West are in the process of dismemberment.

America is already a laughing stock.
And who do the Democrats field as their chief candidate? Biden?? AYFK???

As in ancient Rome, which could easily survive a succession of incompetent half-insane emperors, but once the rot set in nothing could stop it from degenerating. America is undergoing its own long period of decline as is the West itself though the two may not be precisely synchronized.

Rome went up and down.
Caligula and Commodus were low spots, as was Nero, yet they were eventually succeeded by great and successful emperors, neither insane nor incompetent.
Over 100 years after the first successful emperor Augustus we get Hadrian.
Diocletian in 250c AD.
The entire period is peppered with greats and slated with low spot.
Your idea of inevitable decline is just based on a bad understanding of history.
You chose the wrong guy to tell.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:22 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:34 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:03 pm
America is already a laughing stock.
And who do the Democrats field as their chief candidate? Biden?? AYFK???

As in ancient Rome, which could easily survive a succession of incompetent half-insane emperors, but once the rot set in nothing could stop it from degenerating. America is undergoing its own long period of decline as is the West itself though the two may not be precisely synchronized.

Rome went up and down.
Caligula and Commodus were low spots, as was Nero, yet they were eventually succeeded by great and successful emperors, neither insane nor incompetent.
Over 100 years after the first successful emperor Augustus we get Hadrian.
Diocletian in 250c AD.
The entire period is peppered with greats and slated with low spot.
Your idea of inevitable decline is just based on a bad understanding of history.
You chose the wrong guy to tell.

You are truly one incredible idiot. For one thing I didn't mention any guys. Tell me which "guy" I mentioned. As for Rome going up and down, how bloody insightful! In history everything goes up and down. Even going down may have its ups though the trend is down. As for Augustus and Hadrian we're talking about the end, not the beginning and the middle. It was already in the 4th century when the rot set in and in the 5th when the collapse finally took place. During those periods name one outstanding ruler - with the possible exception of Constantine - in that entire list! Of course that wasn't the sole cause of Rome's degeneration but it sure added to it. And you accuse me of a bad understanding of history! This from a brain which regards intelligence as a virus to be exterminated.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:50 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:22 pm

Dubious wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:34 pm

As in ancient Rome, which could easily survive a succession of incompetent half-insane emperors, but once the rot set in nothing could stop it from degenerating. America is undergoing its own long period of decline as is the West itself though the two may not be precisely synchronized.

Rome went up and down.
Caligula and Commodus were low spots, as was Nero, yet they were eventually succeeded by great and successful emperors, neither insane nor incompetent.
Over 100 years after the first successful emperor Augustus we get Hadrian.
Diocletian in 250c AD.
The entire period is peppered with greats and slated with low spot.
Your idea of inevitable decline is just based on a bad understanding of history.
You chose the wrong guy to tell.

You are truly one incredible idiot. For one thing I didn't mention any guys. Tell me which "guy" I mentioned. As for Rome going up and down, how bloody insightful! In history everything goes up and down. Even going down may have its ups though the trend is down. As for Augustus and Hadrian we're talking about the end, not the beginning and the middle. It was already in the 4th century when the rot set in and in the 5th when the collapse finally took place. During those periods name one outstanding ruler - with the possible exception of Constantine - in that entire list! Of course that wasn't the sole cause of Rome's degeneration but it sure added to it. And you accuse me of a bad understanding of history! This from a brain which regards intelligence as a virus to be exterminated.

I don’t know, but it looks like Sculptor was the guy you chose to tell.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:06 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:24 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:02 pm Considering Trump's ignorance and denial throughout the Covid-19 crisis, only mindless people who have allegiance to a superficial political party identity rather than to SANITY and intelligence would vote for Trump AGAIN.

Trump having so much experiences as a CEO of a large organization would have understood the need for a team or teams of advisers to advise him on things he is not an expert in. I believe Trump would also have a team of advisers in the White House.

Well you can be forgiven for thinking so.
But how do you explain, Kayleigh McEnany ?
Trump's presidency is characterised by him sacking anyone that disagrees with him.

Kayleigh McEnany is the Press Secretary, i.e. in laison with the Press.
She is merely the communicator of what represent the team and is really NOT an adviser in the expert sense.

Sacking people who do not disagree [depend on how serious] with the boss is a very common thing within teams, organizations, gangs and groups, everywhere in the world.

I believe a player [NBA, AFL, EPL, etc.] who disagrees with the manager and want to play his way, would be out of the team would be sidelined and kick out of the team.
It is the same within organizations, political and others.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:44 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:24 am

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:02 pm Considering Trump's ignorance and denial throughout the Covid-19 crisis, only mindless people who have allegiance to a superficial political party identity rather than to SANITY and intelligence would vote for Trump AGAIN.

Trump having so much experiences as a CEO of a large organization would have understood the need for a team or teams of advisers to advise him on things he is not an expert in. I believe Trump would also have a team of advisers in the White House.
Trump would have received various views [at times conflicting] and whatever statements he put out earlier regarding Covid-19 could NOT have been his own personal views.

It is widely known that he does things HIS WAY, ignoring any expert advisors, even as they stand next to him in front of the cameras. You are claiming he is just a front man (spokesman), which is absurd and shows that you're not very smart. He is an insane baboon loose in the White House, and is in control of a country that is being destroyed because of it. For various reasons, there are a whole lot of mindless zombies who think he's their savior or ticket. It's a comic tragedy of epic proportions and colliding forms of insanity.

As I had stated, Trump would have a team of advisers and some may not have stood in front of him in front of the camera when he spoke to the public.

Take the HydroxyChloguine example.
Since then many doctors all over the world had been prescribing this protocol with great success despite no clear except anecdotal evidence.

LA doctor seeing success with hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVs_EWVCVPc

Dr. Ban's success story in using HydroxyChloguine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ay3tb2xld8

Surely Trump was definitely ignorant of HydroxyChloguine until some experts had told him about it of its effectiveness for Covid19 subject to limited direct scientific backing.

Point is during a pandemic - a matter of life and death, one has to make hard balanced decisions to save life.
In the case of HydroxyChloguine there is a potential BUT the risk are not great since it has already be used by billions of people to deal with Malaria and some for lupus and arthritis.
I believe it is very irresponsible to wait for actual data and proper scientific tests to confirm HydroxyChloguine is safe, by then, many could have been killed.

The control is; if HydroxyChloguine plus others had not worked and showed terrible side effects and death during the 10 days it is prescribed, doctors will rationally stop it.
Those who take HydroxyChloguine for lupus and arthritis - take it for years and the side effects has been recognized and managed effectively.

Doctors who prescribed the HydroxyChloguine always ensure they take extra precautions and not simply prescribing to everyone.

So far the evidence is in favor of HydroxyChloguine in treating and preventing Covid19 from getting worse.

At present, many world leaders are 'begging' President Modi of India to sell them HydroxyChloguine.

As for HydroxyChloguine Trump took the risk and made the right balanced decision and there are results. Thus how can you insist Trump was an insane baboon in this case.
Note if HydroxyChloguine did not work and proven to be a scam, it is likely Trump will not be elected in November and will have this stigma attached to him forever.

For an objective point of view [being non-American and not effected by US politics], amidst various hoo-hahs, I believe Trump had done a good job as expected out of his Contractual Terms of Employment as President.

Those who serially and compulsive-obsessively condemned Trump out of psychological contempt are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome from the cognitive dissonance;

• Trump is in fact the President,
  in contrast to,
  their brainwashed expectation he could never be the President but should Hillary should be the President.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:49 am I believe Trump had done a good job as expected out of his Contractual Terms of Employment as President.

You can believe what you want.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:49 am Those who serially and compulsive-obsessively condemned Trump out of psychological contempt are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome from the cognitive dissonance;

• Trump is in fact the President, in contrast to, their brainwashed expectation he could never be the President but should Hillary should be the President.

Your over-simplification is foolish. There are many thoughtful perspectives from all angles -- and many people who think Trump has done a poor job and should have never been in such a leadership role, have VALID REASONS for thinking that. It's not because they have a syndrome. Your view is not immune from blindness and foolishness -- and you don't automatically have some superior clarity because you're outside of the U.S.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:49 am I believe Trump had done a good job as expected out of his Contractual Terms of Employment as President.

You can believe what you want.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:49 am Those who serially and compulsive-obsessively condemned Trump out of psychological contempt are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome from the cognitive dissonance;

• Trump is in fact the President, in contrast to, their brainwashed expectation he could never be the President but should Hillary should be the President.

Your over-simplification is foolish. There are many thoughtful perspectives from all angles -- and many people who think Trump has done a poor job and should have never been in such a leadership role, have VALID REASONS for thinking that. It's not because they have a syndrome. Your view is not immune from blindness and foolishness -- and you don't automatically have some superior clarity because you're outside of the U.S.

I believe you are very ignorant of the critical elements at play on this issue.

Despite some earlier failures, Trump has been very successful as a businessman as evident. There had not been terrible condemnation of Trump in his business practice otherwise he would have gone out of businesses.

When Trump moved into the Political Arena, there is the fact of primal tribalism [us versus them] which is in its worse in US politics.
Regardless whether it is Trump or not, the members of one party [us] will always find excuses to condemn the President and members of the party he belonged to [them].
Point is members of political parties usually has very high psychological and emotional attachment to the ideology of their party.
Note the extremes in the form of Nazism, Fascism, communism, etc. Republicanism versus the Democrats is no exception.

True, Trump is a bit brash and more provocative than other Presidents, but the more critical factor is due to the Trump Derangement Syndrome [very evident] arising from the cognitive dissonance from the very small margin he won from Hillary.

Such 'cognitive dissonance' is very typical and noticeable in sports, especially soccer where the supporters of the losing team will riot in the street when their team lost especially if the margin of winning is very small and the referee's decision is very marginal. Such terrible evils are so evident all over Europe, South America and elsewhere.

Since I am not a US Citizen participating in US Politics, obviously I am in a better position to be independent and objective. That is very obvious.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:29 am I believe you are very ignorant of the critical elements at play on this issue.

Based on what?

double posting

Lacewing wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:38 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:29 am I believe you are very ignorant of the critical elements at play on this issue.

Based on what?

I have written.

You are ignorant and had not taken into account of the primal tribalistic instincts at play within politics and the heavy emotional impulses involved.