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henry quirk wrote: Consider, though: gettin' into fist fights over toilet paper doesn't exactly rate as calm. Demandin' testing kits magically appear yesterday is not a calm response. Shittin' one's self over carona while ignorin' much more serious seasonal flu is not calm. Closin' schools (for a month, for Crom's sake) when young folks are least likely to get and be affected by the virus is not a calm precaution.

There's a hysteria eatin' away at folks, fueled mostly by the propagandists in the journalism industry.
Whilst I agree about the 'keep calm and carry on' idea there are some mistakes here HQ. This virus appears to be more contagious than the flu as it is a cold virus and whilst they are not sure yet it looks like it could be spread by airborne particulates. Whilst it so far appears that only 1-2% on average will die from the pneumonia this virus creates it will disproportionately affect certain groups, the very old, those with existing health conditions, smokers, etc so its down to whether you wish to try and protect them, as such those groups who will only be quite ill are a threat to them so it boils down to how much we wish to disrupt economic and social life to try and save them. Still, is the worst case come true then it'll be 60-80% infection rate so work out how many dead that is in your population.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:53 pm And men, stop fucking spitting in the street!
Mindless spewers from every orifice onto as much as they can.

As if marking territory.
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Arising_uk wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:10 pm
henry quirk wrote: Consider, though: gettin' into fist fights over toilet paper doesn't exactly rate as calm. Demandin' testing kits magically appear yesterday is not a calm response. Shittin' one's self over carona while ignorin' much more serious seasonal flu is not calm. Closin' schools (for a month, for Crom's sake) when young folks are least likely to get and be affected by the virus is not a calm precaution.

There's a hysteria eatin' away at folks, fueled mostly by the propagandists in the journalism industry.
Whilst I agree about the 'keep calm and carry on' idea there are some mistakes here HQ. This virus appears to be more contagious than the flu as it is a cold virus and whilst they are not sure yet it looks like it could be spread by airborne particulates. Whilst it so far appears that only 1-2% on average will die from the pneumonia this virus creates it will disproportionately affect certain groups, the very old, those with existing health conditions, smokers, etc so its down to whether you wish to try and protect them, as such those groups who will only be quite ill are a threat to them so it boils down to how much we wish to disrupt economic and social life to try and save them. Still, is the worst case come true then it'll be 60-80% infection rate so work out how many dead that is in your population.
Not seein' mistakes on my part: even worst case, carona won't come near the flu in mortality.

Calm down & carry on is exactly what the talkin' heads ought to be sayin'.

Wash your hands, stop bein' so touch-feely with others, consult your doc if you're worried, stop lookin' to gov for solutions and calm down.
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''carona won't come near the flu in mortality.''

I don't know how you work that out. The mortality rate in the old is close to 15 percent, but overall it's estimated at 2 percent (conservative). Seasonal flu is .1 percent. That makes covid-19 20 times deadlier. There is also a vaccine for seasonal flu. I suppose only the rich can get it in your country though.
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Age wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:47 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:43 pm Stores here have been packed for the past few days with people shopping for supplies. Toilet paper is apparently in high demand and is hard to come by. Hand sanitizer and paper towels also. I wonder how long this is going to go on and if the disease will go away when the weather warms up. My biggest worry is my parents who are in their 80s and dad is not in the greatest health. I'm hoping this passes us by without incident.
Why is this your biggest worry?

Are you worried that they could die?

Were you expecting them to live forever?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:43 pmBest wishes to all the people posting on Philosophy Now. I hope everyone here is doing OK with all the craziness going on.
To me, craziness is 'worrying' about only one of the countless viruses, which may or may not exist or may or may not come to exist.

Why is just one virus the biggest worry you have, especially considering the chances that they will die anyway from some other thing, which is probably countless times higher?

Could part of the reason be just because this one virus is on the so called "news", and people on social media outlets are talking it?
It scares people because humans don't have any immunity to it. I've never had 'seasonal flu' in my life because I suppose I must be immune to it.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:57 pm
Age wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:47 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:43 pm Stores here have been packed for the past few days with people shopping for supplies. Toilet paper is apparently in high demand and is hard to come by. Hand sanitizer and paper towels also. I wonder how long this is going to go on and if the disease will go away when the weather warms up. My biggest worry is my parents who are in their 80s and dad is not in the greatest health. I'm hoping this passes us by without incident.
Why is this your biggest worry?

Are you worried that they could die?

Were you expecting them to live forever?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:43 pmBest wishes to all the people posting on Philosophy Now. I hope everyone here is doing OK with all the craziness going on.
To me, craziness is 'worrying' about only one of the countless viruses, which may or may not exist or may or may not come to exist.

Why is just one virus the biggest worry you have, especially considering the chances that they will die anyway from some other thing, which is probably countless times higher?

Could part of the reason be just because this one virus is on the so called "news", and people on social media outlets are talking it?
It scares people because humans don't have any immunity to it. I've never had 'seasonal flu' in my life because I suppose I must be immune to it.
I hadn't even had a cold for over 25yrs! Many a time when everyone around me in the office looked like they were dying from these colds, i'd say to myself that i am bound to get one this time - nope. However, when I was in UK two years ago in winter I caught one!

This virus though - unless a vaccine is developed - millions are going to die.
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attofishpi wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:36 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:57 pm
Age wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:47 pm

Why is this your biggest worry?

Are you worried that they could die?

Were you expecting them to live forever?



To me, craziness is 'worrying' about only one of the countless viruses, which may or may not exist or may or may not come to exist.

Why is just one virus the biggest worry you have, especially considering the chances that they will die anyway from some other thing, which is probably countless times higher?

Could part of the reason be just because this one virus is on the so called "news", and people on social media outlets are talking it?
It scares people because humans don't have any immunity to it. I've never had 'seasonal flu' in my life because I suppose I must be immune to it.
I hadn't even had a cold for over 25yrs! Many a time when everyone around me in the office looked like they were dying from these colds, i'd say to myself that i am bound to get one this time - nope. However, when I was in UK two years ago in winter I caught one!

This virus though - unless a vaccine is developed - millions are going to die.
Millions of old people (unless it gets worse). I don't see how they can find a vaccine for it when they have never been able to find one for the common cold.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:15 am
attofishpi wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:36 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:57 pm

It scares people because humans don't have any immunity to it. I've never had 'seasonal flu' in my life because I suppose I must be immune to it.
I hadn't even had a cold for over 25yrs! Many a time when everyone around me in the office looked like they were dying from these colds, i'd say to myself that i am bound to get one this time - nope. However, when I was in UK two years ago in winter I caught one!

This virus though - unless a vaccine is developed - millions are going to die.
Millions of old people (unless it gets worse). I don't see how they can find a vaccine for it when they have never been able to find one for the common cold.
Im starting to hear it's not just the old. Take the Chinese doctor that discovered the virus and died from it - he quite young.
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attofishpi wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:58 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:15 am
attofishpi wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:36 pm

I hadn't even had a cold for over 25yrs! Many a time when everyone around me in the office looked like they were dying from these colds, i'd say to myself that i am bound to get one this time - nope. However, when I was in UK two years ago in winter I caught one!

This virus though - unless a vaccine is developed - millions are going to die.
Millions of old people (unless it gets worse). I don't see how they can find a vaccine for it when they have never been able to find one for the common cold.
Im starting to hear it's not just the old. Take the Chinese doctor that discovered the virus and died from it - he quite young.
But imagine what it's like for hospital doctors in China. It's bad enough here. They get little sleep. They are overworked. No wonder their immune system gets compromised.
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I just watched Deuche Welle news (or whatever its called - German) and there is a company in Germany (CureVac) that specialise in RNA viruses (covid 19 interfaces to RNA) ...and they are looking at testing a vaccine by June\July.

They recently received a request from Trump to buy them out and provision the use of the vaccine in THE US ONLY!!

What a shower of kunts.

The company quite rightly told them to fuck off.
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Age wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:47 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:43 pm Stores here have been packed for the past few days with people shopping for supplies. Toilet paper is apparently in high demand and is hard to come by. Hand sanitizer and paper towels also. I wonder how long this is going to go on and if the disease will go away when the weather warms up. My biggest worry is my parents who are in their 80s and dad is not in the greatest health. I'm hoping this passes us by without incident.
Why is this your biggest worry?

Are you worried that they could die?

Were you expecting them to live forever?
No, but I'm not looking to lose them sooner than later.
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attofishpi wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:41 am I just watched Deuche Welle news (or whatever its called - German) and there is a company in Germany (CureVac) that specialise in RNA viruses (covid 19 interfaces to RNA) ...and they are looking at testing a vaccine by June\July.

They recently received a request from Trump to buy them out and provision the use of the vaccine in THE US ONLY!!

What a shower of kunts.

The company quite rightly told them to fuck off.
Seriously? That's got to be the most depraved thing I've ever heard. Trump is being a complete ass if he's trying to do that.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:57 pm
Age wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:47 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:43 pm Stores here have been packed for the past few days with people shopping for supplies. Toilet paper is apparently in high demand and is hard to come by. Hand sanitizer and paper towels also. I wonder how long this is going to go on and if the disease will go away when the weather warms up. My biggest worry is my parents who are in their 80s and dad is not in the greatest health. I'm hoping this passes us by without incident.
Why is this your biggest worry?

Are you worried that they could die?

Were you expecting them to live forever?
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:43 pmBest wishes to all the people posting on Philosophy Now. I hope everyone here is doing OK with all the craziness going on.
To me, craziness is 'worrying' about only one of the countless viruses, which may or may not exist or may or may not come to exist.

Why is just one virus the biggest worry you have, especially considering the chances that they will die anyway from some other thing, which is probably countless times higher?

Could part of the reason be just because this one virus is on the so called "news", and people on social media outlets are talking it?
It scares people because humans don't have any immunity to it. I've never had 'seasonal flu' in my life because I suppose I must be immune to it.
What do you mean "humans do not have any immunity to corona virus"?

Did you just mean 'some' humans do not have any immunity to corona virus? Or, did you actually really mean ALL humans do not have any immunity to corona virus? Or, did you mean some thing else?
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Gary Childress wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 am
Age wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:47 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:43 pm Stores here have been packed for the past few days with people shopping for supplies. Toilet paper is apparently in high demand and is hard to come by. Hand sanitizer and paper towels also. I wonder how long this is going to go on and if the disease will go away when the weather warms up. My biggest worry is my parents who are in their 80s and dad is not in the greatest health. I'm hoping this passes us by without incident.
Why is this your biggest worry?

Are you worried that they could die?

Were you expecting them to live forever?
No, but I'm not looking to lose them sooner than later.
Would ANY human being "look" to lose any one of those select few that are "loved", sooner than later?

Also, what is 'sooner' than 'later' actually in relation to, REALLY?

If any human being so calls "dies" later than one minute from now, then that means that they obviously "died" 'later' than 'sooner'. In all honesty is anyone looking to lose loved ones 'later' than 'sooner' either?
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Age wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:31 am
Gary Childress wrote: Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 am
Age wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:47 pm

Why is this your biggest worry?

Are you worried that they could die?

Were you expecting them to live forever?
No, but I'm not looking to lose them sooner than later.
Would ANY human being "look" to lose any one of those select few that are "loved", sooner than later?

Also, what is 'sooner' than 'later' actually in relation to, REALLY?

If any human being so calls "dies" later than one minute from now, then that means that they obviously "died" 'later' than 'sooner'. In all honesty is anyone looking to lose loved ones 'later' than 'sooner' either?
Why don't the likes of you just shut the fuck up with your pathetic waste of space ramblings.
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