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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:33 am Why do men like to kill men?
I presume you imply 'men' meant;
Why do humans like to kill humans?

• 1. All humans are "programmed" to survive at least till the inevitable with the ultimate purpose to ensure the survival and preservation of the species.
  
  2. To survive, humans has to eat, thus is programmed with the "kill" instinct to kill living things for food.
  
  3. To survive humans also has to defend against threats to their survival, thus is programmed with the "kill" instincts to neutralize the threats.
  
  4. Therefore the programmed "kill" instinct is a necessity, else the human species would have gone extinct long ago.
  
  5. Humans are also "programmed" with the ability for impulse control - also to ensure survival. The impulse control of the majority at present is rather weak depending on the stimuli and triggers.
  
  6. It is the weak impulse control that drive some humans to abuse their "programmed killing instincts" to kill other humans not in alignment with its intended purposes.

If humans are not "programmed" with the killing instinct via evolution, humans will not kill other human beings. Example if humans had evolved like 'bovine' to eat grass only.

It is not that humans "like" to kill other humans, it is a matter of that humans has weak impulse control to modulate their necessary programmed "killing" instinct.

Nicely put.

"Why do men like to kill men?
I presume you imply 'men' meant;
Why do humans like to kill humans?"

No. I meant men. We are the more violent gender and the cause of most wars. Not women.

Under Goddess worship, we had 20,000 years of relative peace and only the last 5,000 years under the male gods of war have we had almost constant warfare.

Look anywhere where there are hooligans or in any bar where fighting is almost normal. You will seldom see women at it compared to the men.

jail stats tell us who is to blame for our violent history, and men are still trying to say that they can lead better than women.

That would be quite the joke if not for all the dead bodies that men are responsible for.

Regards
DL

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:12 pm our 5,000 years of almost constant war.

War stretches a helluva lot further back than that. Since before man out of the trees, some men have warred, not all men.


If we do not love war, why are we always fighting them?

Not we, some.


If all you do is pay attention to the school yard fight you never see the teachin' and learnin' goin' on in the classroom.

Not just some. The vast majority.

Unless you think a small minority is manipulating the larger group.

You are wrong about our ancient past. Sure there was violence and fighting, but not enough to force the fortification of towns and cities.

It took the male gods of war to have people exert their resource's and manpower to fortify their homes.

Regards
DL

70 million men, total, fought in WW2.

Population of the world during WW2: a touch over 2 billion.

The vast majority(?)

Not even close.


there was violence and fighting, but not enough to force the fortification of towns and cities.

What a queer dividin' line: it's only war if fortification is involved.

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:39 pm 70 million men, total, fought in WW2.

Population of the world during WW2: a touch over 2 billion.

The vast majority(?)

Not even close.


there was violence and fighting, but not enough to force the fortification of towns and cities.

What a queer dividin' line: it's only war if fortification is involved.

That line was not created by me but by the scholars who have studied our ancient past.

As to your numbers, did it not take a majority to send them to fight, or were they sent by just the minority of the ones who ended ion supporting the war effort?

Bringing modern warfare into our conversation of the ancients is a deflection. Stay focused.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:57 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:16 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:46 pm Why do men like to kill men?

Why do women like to kill their babies?

You are hanging around a weird bunch of women.

Yes, yes I am.

I'm "hanging around" the same women who have calmly reported murdering over 50 million of their own babies since 1970.

They're a demented lot, to be sure.

[b]That line was not created by me but by the scholars who have studied our ancient past.[/b]

Mebbe you shoulda defined your terms in your initial post.


[b]As to your numbers, did it not take a majority to send them to fight, or were they sent by just the minority of the ones who ended ion supporting the war effort?[/b]

It was governments that sent 70 million men to war. That is: it was a few hundred men, on thrones or in state houses, that sent 70 million men to war.


[b]Bringing modern warfare into our conversation of the ancients is a deflection. Stay focused.[/b]

Mebbe you shoulda laid out the time frame in your initial post.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:01 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:20 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:16 pm
Why do women like to kill their babies?

Why do men like to kill lots of babies every time they masturbate?

??

You think sperm turn into babies?

Try biology 101.

Regards
DL

Every sperm is sacred.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:41 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:57 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:16 pm
Why do women like to kill their babies?

You are hanging around a weird bunch of women.

Yes, yes I am.

I'm "hanging around" the same women who have calmly reported murdering over 50 million of their own babies since 1970.

They're a demented lot, to be sure.

That many men did not step up to their responsibility for their sperm. How sad.

Why do you come down on women while ignoring that it is men who are not doing their duty?

You have seen the stats that show how poorly those babies, if they are alive do in life.

We men don't even step up with the cash to help them, while blaming women for it all.

That sounds like Christian ways to me and we all know how immoral Christians are, given that they idolize a genocidal god who has murdered too many babies and children to count.

If you are to give men a pass for their part in the death of their child, you are a really poor judge.

Regards
DL

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:59 pm That line was not created by me but by the scholars who have studied our ancient past.

Mebbe you shoulda defined your terms in your initial post.


As to your numbers, did it not take a majority to send them to fight, or were they sent by just the minority of the ones who ended ion supporting the war effort?

It was governments that sent 70 million men to war. That is: it was a few hundred men, on thrones or in state houses, that sent 70 million men to war.


Bringing modern warfare into our conversation of the ancients is a deflection. Stay focused.

Mebbe you shoulda laid out the time frame in your initial post.

If an O.P. get too long, all I get is a TLDR.

Further, how am a supposed to guess at all the different directions a talk goes in.

I am always eager to learn though, so if you want to rewrite what I put to a better form, I will be please to plagiarize it.

Being French, I can always use help with English.

Regards
DL

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:12 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:01 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:20 pm

Why do men like to kill lots of babies every time they masturbate?

??

You think sperm turn into babies?

Try biology 101.

Regards
DL

Every sperm is sacred.

Few dick are and not even our vile immoral gods are sacred. Unless you think Satan sacred that is. She is a site more sacred than Yahweh for sure. Just count the murders.

Regards
DL

Must have forgotten to take his meds.

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:21 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:41 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:57 pm

You are hanging around a weird bunch of women.

Yes, yes I am.

I'm "hanging around" the same women who have calmly reported murdering over 50 million of their own babies since 1970.

They're a demented lot, to be sure.

That many men did not step up to their responsibility for their sperm. How sad.

Why do you come down on women while ignoring that it is men who are not doing their duty?

Because the women themselves assure us it's "their choice." They absolutely insist -- as does the law -- that the men have no legitimate concern in the murder of their children. I think that's crazy, but apparently they don't.

So while I'd maintaining that both the parties involved in the "party" are at fault, and while 'd really like to talk about the male misbehaviour in these cases, the women won't allow that it's any part of the male's concern at all. They claim total responsibility.

Do you now deny that this killing of babies is entirely done by women''s choice?

I'd be fine with saying that...but how about you?

You have seen the stats that show how poorly those babies, if they are alive do in life.

Exceedingly well, actually.

There are, right now 35 potential adoptive families available for every healthy infant available...they can't get enough of them.

And every last one of the live babies is doing better than the murdered ones.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:37 pm And every last one of the live babies is doing better than the murdered ones.

What an incredibly stupid, moronic, imbecilic, ignorant statement that is. Would this conclusion really require an explanation? Your over-the-top theism is positively sickening.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:40 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:37 pm And every last one of the live babies is doing better than the murdered ones.

What an incredibly stupid, moronic, imbecilic, ignorant statement that is. Would this conclusion really require an explanation? Your over-the-top theism is positively sickening.

Hear hear. It's just an excuse to voice his rabid kristian misogyny. As if HE cares about the hypothetical cell clusters of hypothetical women he's never met. Kristian anti-choicers really are the most loathesome of hypocrites.

Dubious wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:40 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:37 pm And every last one of the live babies is doing better than the murdered ones.

What an incredibly stupid, moronic, imbecilic, ignorant statement that is. Would this conclusion really require an explanation? Your over-the-top theism is positively sickening.

I'm delighted you are so moved.

It's actually an incredibly obvious statement. ALL live people are doing better than if they were murder victims. You don't even have to be a Theist to know that's true.