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Walker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:24 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:53 am

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:21 am Australia has always been a hot place.

Human stupidity applied to resource management, and not climate change, is the cause of the Australian wildfires.

Blaming the weather for short-sighted incompetence sounds like a Hail-Mary pass caught for the win.

Not to be a nuisance, but could you please explain what the FUCK that actually means??

Always entertaining, rarely a nuisance.

What it means is, you gotta burn the bush before the bush burns you.

Just as interesting is this factual tidbit that, again, the far-left media chooses to ignore via Australian scientist, Tim Flannery:

“Fire suppression became the dominant paradigm in fire management leading to a significant shift away from traditional burning practices. A 2001 study found that the disruption of traditional burning practices and the introduction of unrestrained logging meant that many areas of Australia were now prone to extensive wildfires especially in the dry season.[23] A similar study in 2017 found that the removal of mature trees by Europeans since they began to settle in Australia may have triggered extensive shrub regeneration which presents a much greater fire fuel hazard.[24] Another factor was the introduction of Gamba grass imported into Queensland as a pasture grass in 1942, and planted on a large scale from 1983. This can fuel intense bushfires, leading to loss of tree cover and long-term environmental damage.”

In short, and very similar to what continues to take place in California and elsewhere, the primary cause of large brushfires in Australia is directly attributed to poor resource management. Historically, Australia’s Aborigines routinely engaged in annual control burns across the massive continent. When these burns were all but eliminated, allowing new growth underbrush along with the introduction of non-native grasses by European settlers, the opportunity for more damaging brushfire seasons intensified.

Stop cherry-picking your information and learn something for once you Ignorant yank religiofool. Bushfires are how Australian bush regenerates. You aren't telling me anything new, but BECAUSE of global warming, the bushfire season is now longer and hotter than ever before, creating fires on a scale that has never been seen before. The bushfires are so bad that they have turned NZ's glaciers brown, causing them to melt faster.
And no, yank genius, Australia and New Zealand are not the same country. Even NZ has become a lot more 'flammable'.
I don't even know what you are arguing about. Nothing you have copy-pasted has anything to do with the FACT that Australia's bushfire season is longer and hotter than ever before and the FACT that AUSTRALIA is getting steadily hotter.
So now, when Australia's average temperature gets even hotter thanks to vegetation loss, you science-denying religioturds will come back with 'He he, there's no such thing as global warming--temperatures are increasing because of vegetation loss he he he...'
Ummm, listen genius. You are only contradicting your own 'argument'. What you are saying is that humans are causing these disasters because of their own stupidity and vegetation destruction i.e. causing global warming. Duh! You do realise that trees take in carbon dioxide and release oxygen don't you? Why do you think people are being told to plant more trees in an effort to counter global warming?
But then you science-denying arseholes would hate that idea too, because you think money and out-of-control agriculture are far more important than a habitable planet.
You do realise that facts are facts, and they don't change depending on political persuasion don't you?

However, Australia’s climate has warmed by more than one degree Celsius over the past century, causing an increase in the frequency and intensity of heat waves and droughts.[23] Eight of Australia's ten warmest years on record have occurred since 2005.[24] A study in 2018 conducted at Melbourne University found that the major droughts of the late 20th century and early 21st century in southern Australia are "likely without precedent over the past 400 years".[25] Across the country, the average summer temperatures have increased leading to record breaking hot weather, [26] with the early summer of 2019 the hottest on record.[27]

Heatwaves and droughts dry out the undergrowth and create conditions that increase the risk of bushfires. This has become worse in the last 30 years.[28] Since the mid-1990s, southeast Australia has experienced a 15% decline in late autumn and early winter rainfall and a 25% decline in average rainfall in April and May. Rainfall for January to August 2019 was the lowest on record in the Southern Downs (Queensland) and Northern Tablelands (New South Wales) with some areas 77% below the longterm average.[29]

More than a decade ago the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concluded that ongoing anthropogenic climate change was virtually certain to increase in intensity and frequency of fires in Australia – a conclusion that has been endorsed in numerous reports since.[23] In November 2019, the Australian Climate Council published a report titled This is Not Normal[30] which also found the catastrophic bushfire conditions affecting NSW and Queensland in late 2019 have been aggravated by climate change.[31] According to Nerilie Abram writing in Scientific American "the link between the current extremes and anthropogenic climate change is scientifically undisputable".[23]

Walker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:21 am Australia has always been a hot place.

Human stupidity applied to resource management, and not climate change, is the cause of the Australian wildfires.

Blaming the weather for short-sighted incompetence sounds like a Hail-Mary pass caught for the win.

You can do better than that, just deny altogether that there are fires in Australia.

The common-sense realist accepts the reality of bush fire and its causes, burning the bush before bush burns back.

Climate change zombies spout a fantasy cause.

Next step in the ideological fantasy* is denial that the fire exists.

A suburban dad doesn’t cut his grass all summer. The grass grows deep and thick. The annual dry spell turns the grass crispy. During a night of too much drink he drops a bit of fire into the back yard, the grass catches, his house burns up. So, why did the house burn up? All those who say climate change get an A.


* aka: scapegoat for stupidity.

The breathtaking fraud of climate alarmists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8455KED ... e=youtu.be

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:35 am The common-sense realist accepts the reality of bush fire and its causes, burning the bush before bush burns back.

Climate change zombies spout a fantasy cause.

Next step in the ideological fantasy* is denial that the fire exists.

A suburban dad doesn’t cut his grass all summer. The grass grows deep and thick. The annual dry spell turns the grass crispy. During a night of too much drink he drops a bit of fire into the back yard, the grass catches, his house burns up. So, why did the house burn up? All those who say climate change get an A.


* aka: scapegoat for stupidity.

That's too much work. Trust me, the quickest and simplest way would be to deny the wildfires altogether.

Atla wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:21 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:35 am The common-sense realist accepts the reality of bush fire and its causes, burning the bush before bush burns back.

Climate change zombies spout a fantasy cause.

Next step in the ideological fantasy* is denial that the fire exists.

A suburban dad doesn’t cut his grass all summer. The grass grows deep and thick. The annual dry spell turns the grass crispy. During a night of too much drink he drops a bit of fire into the back yard, the grass catches, his house burns up. So, why did the house burn up? All those who say climate change get an A.


* aka: scapegoat for stupidity.

That's too much work. Trust me, the quickest and simplest way would be to deny the wildfires altogether.

Good suggestion. Those turds aren't interested in facts anyway (unless they are ones that they can twist to their advantage).

Same thing happens elsewhere on the planet, which is verification that fire is a real, naturally occurring phenomena, and no matter how much the believers wish upon a star, repeating the magic words “climate change” while tapping the ruby slippers can never take fire away from Oz. This leaves only mitigation of the inevitable, which is the same old path humans have followed since days in the caves.

Climate Experts Suggest Trump Was Right When He Blamed California’s Wildfires On Land Management

“Climate experts are apparently backing President Donald Trump’s repeated arguments that California’s wildfires were a result of poor land management rather than climate change-driven, E&E reported Thursday.”

http://dailycallernewsfoundation.org/20 ... anagement/

See? Same damn thing as California, as Australia. The politicians didn't budget for bush burning and look what happened.

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:13 am Same thing happens elsewhere on the planet, which is verification that fire is a real, naturally occurring phenomena, and no matter how much the believers wish upon a star, repeating the magic words “climate change” while tapping the ruby slippers can never take fire away from Oz. This leaves only mitigation of the inevitable, which is the same old path humans have followed since days in the caves.

Climate Experts Suggest Trump Was Right When He Blamed California’s Wildfires On Land Management

“Climate experts are apparently backing President Donald Trump’s repeated arguments that California’s wildfires were a result of poor land management rather than climate change-driven, E&E reported Thursday.”

http://dailycallernewsfoundation.org/20 ... anagement/

See? Same damn thing as California, as Australia. The politicians didn't budget for bush burning and look what happened.

It's not happening. Stop worrying your prettly little head about it sweetie.

You just don’t know how to have fun.

4 Reasons Why 'Climate Change' Is a Flat-Out Hoax
https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... _hoax.html

1. Rampant scientific fraud
2. The duping of Mr. & Mrs. John Q. Public
3. A long trail of wildly inaccurate predictions
4. Intentional concealment of inconvenient parts of climate history

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:42 pm You just don’t know how to have fun.

4 Reasons Why 'Climate Change' Is a Flat-Out Hoax
https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... _hoax.html

1. Rampant scientific fraud
2. The duping of Mr. & Mrs. John Q. Public
3. A long trail of wildly inaccurate predictions
4. Intentional concealment of inconvenient parts of climate history

Just looking at the name of your link: 'americanthinker'. Isn't than an oxymoron?

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:13 am ... fire is a real, naturally occurring phenomena...

Fire is real and natural?
Wow. Your'e on a roll today Einstein.

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:42 pm You just don’t know how to have fun.

4 Reasons Why 'Climate Change' Is a Flat-Out Hoax
https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... _hoax.html

1. Rampant scientific fraud
2. The duping of Mr. & Mrs. John Q. Public
3. A long trail of wildly inaccurate predictions
4. Intentional concealment of inconvenient parts of climate history

Are you TRYING to destroy your own 'argument'?

''American Thinker (affectionately nicknamed "American Stinker" by its fans) is an online wingnut publication that's more or less the poor man's WND or Newsmax. They've published articles by such conservative 'luminaries' as Noel Sheppard (NewsBusters) and Pamela Geller and such climate "experts" as S. Fred Singer and Christopher Monckton, as well as an interview with (and hagiography of) white nationalist Jared Taylor.

The magazine, of course, is chock-full of right-wing conspiracy theories, woo, and pseudoscience. On the conspiracy side, they promote birtherism, "creeping sharia," red-baiting, and still occasionally prattle on about Vince Foster. On the 'science' side, they concentrate on creationism and global warming denialism.''

4. Intentional concealment of inconvenient parts of climate history

In serving as willing propagandists for the climate crisis industry, Western media portray every severe weather event as the "worst ever," which they are now doing regarding the drought in the Southwestern U.S. and the flooding caused by Hurricane Florence. What the alarmists try to hide from voters at all costs are inconvenient parts of Earth's climate history, such as these:

● Ancient mega-droughts were infinitely worse than anything people living in modern times have seen. Example: Around the year 850 AD, a mega-drought in what is now the Desert Southwest lasted a staggering 240 years, and that catastrophic climate event was preceded a half-century earlier by another mega-drought that lasted 180 years. Absent that kind of information, it's no wonder so many otherwise intelligent Americans have been conned into believing that the current drought is the "worst ever."

● The Great Hurricane of 1780 killed 20,000 people in the Caribbean. On Sept. 8, 1900, a Cat-4 hurricane obliterated the island of Galveston, Texas, killing an estimated 10,000 residents. In 1927, weeks of heavy rains along the Mississippi River caused flooding that covered 27,000 square miles, leaving entire towns and surrounding farmland submerged up to a depth of 30 feet and displacing 640,000 people, from Louisiana to Illinois. The Yangtze River flood of 1931, one of the deadliest single events in human history, was responsible for a death toll estimated at 3.7 million.

Hurricane Florence and the flooding it caused were unquestionably devastating. But the worst ever? You decide.

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... _hoax.html

Stop trolling.

Just adding some facts and integrity to what some consider to be the greatest threat to human survival in the history of the species, in an otherwise opinion/belief-based thread.